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  • TheMojomanT TheMojoman

    @FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @Bovidae wish we had more hooker depth.. if say Codie taylor was to be dropped from the squad who then joins? Aumua?

    We need the experience with Taylor. I’d say have ST as your starting hooker with Taylor playing the role Mealamu played backend of his career. Put Coles out to pasture and have Aumua as the 3rd hooker.

    In terms of lock, there are a few good locks almost ready for test duties - Lord (when recovered), Dickson, Parkinson (when recovered) and potentially MSR? I like the looks of young Fabian Holland, he’s big and still looks like he could put on another 10KG without sacrificing mobility. Could develop into a Retallick type.

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    @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    We need the experience with Taylor.

    I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

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    • BonesB Bones

      @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      We need the experience with Taylor.

      I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

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      @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      We need the experience with Taylor.

      I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

      Yeah the reason you have experience is that they react well in tense games, cos they've seen it before an can deal with it. Obviously Taylor can't deal with it, so there is no reason at all to start him

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        Liam Napier is claiming that De Groot has lost 7 kg.

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-direct-podcast-a-deep-dive-into-how-ireland-dismantled-the-all-blacks/GMYQFZA3MZDUWYUB23QST5JXTI/

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          @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          We need the experience with Taylor.

          I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

          Yeah the reason you have experience is that they react well in tense games, cos they've seen it before an can deal with it. Obviously Taylor can't deal with it, so there is no reason at all to start him

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          @Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          We need the experience with Taylor.

          I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

          Yeah the reason you have experience is that they react well in tense games, cos they've seen it before an can deal with it. Obviously Taylor can't deal with it, so there is no reason at all to start him

          To me, this hark to experience is killing us. Taylor and Beauds shit the bed, Smith stagnates, Retallick plays like a guy learning the ropes, KT comes on and spends more time on the ground than on his feet, Laulala plays touch, Cane plods around. The mix is completely off.

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          • BonesB Bones

            @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

            We need the experience with Taylor.

            I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

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            @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

            @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

            We need the experience with Taylor.

            I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

            yeah, some in NZ rugby have a real hard on for the idea of experience...regardless of if that experience is of losing

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            • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

              @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              We need the experience with Taylor.

              I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

              yeah, some in NZ rugby have a real hard on for the idea of experience...regardless of if that experience is of losing

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              @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              We need the experience with Taylor.

              I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

              yeah, some in NZ rugby have a real hard on for the idea of experience...regardless of if that experience is of losing

              Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

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              • BonesB Bones

                @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                We need the experience with Taylor.

                I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

                yeah, some in NZ rugby have a real hard on for the idea of experience...regardless of if that experience is of losing

                Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

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                @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

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                • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                  @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                  Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                  And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

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                  @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                  @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                  Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                  And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                  Went alright for the Maori didn't he? 2 games for the landers, but I don't recall seeing it being an issue at other times. It was pretty galling to do the exact same thing on his return from a ban though.

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                  • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                    @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                    Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                    And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

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                    @Crazy-Horse Cos the alternative is Back to the Future PT

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                    • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                      @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                      Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                      And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

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                      @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                      @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                      Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                      And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                      i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

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                      • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                        @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                        @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                        Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                        And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                        i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

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                        @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                        @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                        @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                        Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                        And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                        i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

                        Yeah I think he may be worth a shot, but we shouldn't be surprised if he gets carded.

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                          Looking at locks, I'd probably plump for MSR to replace Retallick - really similar game style for me and he's worth a look.

                          Dickson reminds me of that other highlanders lock from about a decade ago, for the life of me can't remember his name - but he came in and did a brilliant job for a season or 2. Hits hard on both sides of the ball - give him a shot.

                          Gallagher very similar to Dickson but with a longer future, let them fight it out.

                          Goodhue definitely worth a look over Tuipulotu if he's sticking around.

                          I'm just not hugely convinced by Vaai at lock, he just seems so lightweight.

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                          • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                            @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                            @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                            @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                            Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                            And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                            i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

                            Yeah I think he may be worth a shot, but we shouldn't be surprised if he gets carded.

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                            @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                            @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                            @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                            @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                            Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                            And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                            i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

                            Yeah I think he may be worth a shot, but we shouldn't be surprised if he gets carded.

                            Hopefully Red, Whitelock, Retallick, Laulaua, Taylor, Tuungafasi, Lomax will all be there to show him how not to.

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                            • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                              @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                              @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                              @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                              Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                              And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                              i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

                              Yeah I think he may be worth a shot, but we shouldn't be surprised if he gets carded.

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                              @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                              @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                              @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                              @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                              Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                              And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                              i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

                              Yeah I think he may be worth a shot, but we shouldn't be surprised if he gets carded.

                              im also concerned a lot of these guys have a yips now...previously they could fall back on pure confidence to try something and often succeeded....not now, i think we're very close to rolling the dice on several bolters...young...hungry...want to prove themselves....dont think they can do worse than a lot of these guys who have comfortably had a spot in the squad based on reputation and now are second guessing themselves every time the get passed the ball

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                                I think some people are a bit too keen to get rid of players in the squad.

                                A lot of the current problems may be "between the players' ears" and I'd like to see first whether a new coach can solve that by improving the culture, communication and game plan.

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                                  Looking at locks, I'd probably plump for MSR to replace Retallick - really similar game style for me and he's worth a look.

                                  Dickson reminds me of that other highlanders lock from about a decade ago, for the life of me can't remember his name - but he came in and did a brilliant job for a season or 2. Hits hard on both sides of the ball - give him a shot.

                                  Gallagher very similar to Dickson but with a longer future, let them fight it out.

                                  Goodhue definitely worth a look over Tuipulotu if he's sticking around.

                                  I'm just not hugely convinced by Vaai at lock, he just seems so lightweight.

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                                  @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                  Looking at locks, I'd probably plump for MSR to replace Retallick - really similar game style for me and he's worth a look.

                                  Dickson reminds me of that other highlanders lock from about a decade ago, for the life of me can't remember his name - but he came in and did a brilliant job for a season or 2. Hits hard on both sides of the ball - give him a shot.

                                  Gallagher very similar to Dickson but with a longer future, let them fight it out.

                                  Goodhue definitely worth a look over Tuipulotu if he's sticking around.

                                  I'm just not hugely convinced by Vaai at lock, he just seems so lightweight.

                                  Tom Franklin?

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                                  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                    @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                    Looking at locks, I'd probably plump for MSR to replace Retallick - really similar game style for me and he's worth a look.

                                    Dickson reminds me of that other highlanders lock from about a decade ago, for the life of me can't remember his name - but he came in and did a brilliant job for a season or 2. Hits hard on both sides of the ball - give him a shot.

                                    Gallagher very similar to Dickson but with a longer future, let them fight it out.

                                    Goodhue definitely worth a look over Tuipulotu if he's sticking around.

                                    I'm just not hugely convinced by Vaai at lock, he just seems so lightweight.

                                    Tom Franklin?

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                                    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                    @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                    Looking at locks, I'd probably plump for MSR to replace Retallick - really similar game style for me and he's worth a look.

                                    Dickson reminds me of that other highlanders lock from about a decade ago, for the life of me can't remember his name - but he came in and did a brilliant job for a season or 2. Hits hard on both sides of the ball - give him a shot.

                                    Gallagher very similar to Dickson but with a longer future, let them fight it out.

                                    Goodhue definitely worth a look over Tuipulotu if he's sticking around.

                                    I'm just not hugely convinced by Vaai at lock, he just seems so lightweight.

                                    Tom Franklin?

                                    That's the bugger.

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                                    • StargazerS Stargazer

                                      I think some people are a bit too keen to get rid of players in the squad.

                                      A lot of the current problems may be "between the players' ears" and I'd like to see first whether a new coach can solve that by improving the culture, communication and game plan.

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                                      @Stargazer said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                      I think some people are a bit too keen to get rid of players in the squad.

                                      A lot of the current problems may be "between the players' ears" and I'd like to see first whether a new coach can solve that by improving the culture, communication and game plan.

                                      Your common sense and placidity is not welcome here. Oh wait, this isn't one of the half dozen Foster threads is it?

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                                        @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        Looking at locks, I'd probably plump for MSR to replace Retallick - really similar game style for me and he's worth a look.

                                        Dickson reminds me of that other highlanders lock from about a decade ago, for the life of me can't remember his name - but he came in and did a brilliant job for a season or 2. Hits hard on both sides of the ball - give him a shot.

                                        Gallagher very similar to Dickson but with a longer future, let them fight it out.

                                        Goodhue definitely worth a look over Tuipulotu if he's sticking around.

                                        I'm just not hugely convinced by Vaai at lock, he just seems so lightweight.

                                        Tom Franklin?

                                        That's the bugger.

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                                        @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        Looking at locks, I'd probably plump for MSR to replace Retallick - really similar game style for me and he's worth a look.

                                        Dickson reminds me of that other highlanders lock from about a decade ago, for the life of me can't remember his name - but he came in and did a brilliant job for a season or 2. Hits hard on both sides of the ball - give him a shot.

                                        Gallagher very similar to Dickson but with a longer future, let them fight it out.

                                        Goodhue definitely worth a look over Tuipulotu if he's sticking around.

                                        I'm just not hugely convinced by Vaai at lock, he just seems so lightweight.

                                        Tom Franklin?

                                        That's the bugger.

                                        Edit: Bloody hell no it's not! He's not from a decade ago.

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                                          @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                          @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                          Looking at locks, I'd probably plump for MSR to replace Retallick - really similar game style for me and he's worth a look.

                                          Dickson reminds me of that other highlanders lock from about a decade ago, for the life of me can't remember his name - but he came in and did a brilliant job for a season or 2. Hits hard on both sides of the ball - give him a shot.

                                          Gallagher very similar to Dickson but with a longer future, let them fight it out.

                                          Goodhue definitely worth a look over Tuipulotu if he's sticking around.

                                          I'm just not hugely convinced by Vaai at lock, he just seems so lightweight.

                                          Tom Franklin?

                                          That's the bugger.

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                                          there was also Tom Donnelly, he actually made the AB's and after checking played more tests than i thought he did

                                          @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                          @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                          @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                          @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                          Looking at locks, I'd probably plump for MSR to replace Retallick - really similar game style for me and he's worth a look.

                                          Dickson reminds me of that other highlanders lock from about a decade ago, for the life of me can't remember his name - but he came in and did a brilliant job for a season or 2. Hits hard on both sides of the ball - give him a shot.

                                          Gallagher very similar to Dickson but with a longer future, let them fight it out.

                                          Goodhue definitely worth a look over Tuipulotu if he's sticking around.

                                          I'm just not hugely convinced by Vaai at lock, he just seems so lightweight.

                                          Tom Franklin?

                                          That's the bugger.

                                          Edit: Bloody hell no it's not! He's not from a decade ago.

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