All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship
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@Crazy-Horse Cos the alternative is Back to the Future PT
@Old-Samurai-Jack Its funny that Tuipulotu gets singled out and yes, I agree that he should be put out to pasture, but there are a lot of other guys that should be joining him too that don't cop anywhere near the same criticism.
How some people keep justifying Codie Taylor being there is beyond me. He's been terrible at the big boys level for over 2 years now and people still find an excuse to pick him. He shouldn't even be jn the squad (along with Tuipulotu and others).
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@broughie said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Bones It’s an interesting one but he is not playing there and he is not a 2nd five. Might have to leave Canterbury if he even wants to play there. Another player possibly screwing himself by being a utility
His challenge is he wouldn’t even make the Crusaders if he wanted to press his claims at fullback. On paper he’s an ideal 12, good passing game, kicks well, good decision maker, passable defender and when he gets his running game going albeit against weaker sides it goes well. Unfortunately his running game gets exposed against top sides who defend well.
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@TheMojoman at super rugby level but has not shown anything at international except against the minnows. I think @Bones was suggesting 1st five but he would have the same problem in Canterbury.
@broughie said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@TheMojoman at super rugby level but has not shown anything at international except against the minnows. I think @Bones was suggesting 1st five but he would have the same problem in Canterbury.
We are talking about DH at 10? Please no. He was barely adequate there for the Crusaders. DH's best position is 15 IMO.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack Its funny that Tuipulotu gets singled out and yes, I agree that he should be put out to pasture, but there are a lot of other guys that should be joining him too that don't cop anywhere near the same criticism.
How some people keep justifying Codie Taylor being there is beyond me. He's been terrible at the big boys level for over 2 years now and people still find an excuse to pick him. He shouldn't even be jn the squad (along with Tuipulotu and others).
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Old-Samurai-Jack Its funny that Tuipulotu gets singled out and yes, I agree that he should be put out to pasture, but there are a lot of other guys that should be joining him too that don't cop anywhere near the same criticism.
How some people keep justifying Codie Taylor being there is beyond me. He's been terrible at the big boys level for over 2 years now and people still find an excuse to pick him. He shouldn't even be jn the squad (along with Tuipulotu and others).
Tuipulotu is a disappointing one. He’s a gigantic human being up close and looks the perfect guy to take on those Bok, French and English packs……( he takes up loads of room when walking down a plane aisle ) but he just hasn’t kicked on ( but other lesser performers get picked like you mention )
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Old-Samurai-Jack Its funny that Tuipulotu gets singled out and yes, I agree that he should be put out to pasture, but there are a lot of other guys that should be joining him too that don't cop anywhere near the same criticism.
How some people keep justifying Codie Taylor being there is beyond me. He's been terrible at the big boys level for over 2 years now and people still find an excuse to pick him. He shouldn't even be jn the squad (along with Tuipulotu and others).
Tuipulotu is a disappointing one. He’s a gigantic human being up close and looks the perfect guy to take on those Bok, French and English packs……( he takes up loads of room when walking down a plane aisle ) but he just hasn’t kicked on ( but other lesser performers get picked like you mention )
@MN5 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Old-Samurai-Jack Its funny that Tuipulotu gets singled out and yes, I agree that he should be put out to pasture, but there are a lot of other guys that should be joining him too that don't cop anywhere near the same criticism.
How some people keep justifying Codie Taylor being there is beyond me. He's been terrible at the big boys level for over 2 years now and people still find an excuse to pick him. He shouldn't even be jn the squad (along with Tuipulotu and others).
Tuipulotu is a disappointing one. He’s a gigantic human being up close and looks the perfect guy to take on those Bok, French and English packs……( he takes up loads of room when walking down a plane aisle ) but he just hasn’t kicked on ( but other lesser performers get picked like you mention )
At the Blues he generally takes a few starts to get into good form. Usually he doesn't play well for the Blues after an injury or break (there was one exception in 2021)
I'm not sure he'll ever play well being the 4th or 5th lock in the squad
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@reprobate said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph I reckon we might see Jack Goodhue in the midfield - and perhaps Rieko back to the wing.
I like the idea of Goodhue and Rieko together, even though I haven't rated Goodhue at 12 in the past. Just think they might compliment each other well, Goodhue very organised on defense and good at putting his outsides away, while Rieko is always a massive threat with ball in hand and is a very good tackler.
That's a great and established combination... with Jack at 13 where he plays well and Rieko at 11 where he plays well.
Therein lies the problem, chop and change. If Rieko is the long-term 13 then play him there and select around him. Otherwise you get to the RWC and we still don’t know who our best centre pairing are.
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@reprobate said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph I reckon we might see Jack Goodhue in the midfield - and perhaps Rieko back to the wing.
I like the idea of Goodhue and Rieko together, even though I haven't rated Goodhue at 12 in the past. Just think they might compliment each other well, Goodhue very organised on defense and good at putting his outsides away, while Rieko is always a massive threat with ball in hand and is a very good tackler.
That's a great and established combination... with Jack at 13 where he plays well and Rieko at 11 where he plays well.
Therein lies the problem, chop and change. If Rieko is the long-term 13 then play him there and select around him. Otherwise you get to the RWC and we still don’t know who our best centre pairing are.
That's always gone well. For those barracking Goodhue, remember for all his benefits he's about as fast as a one legged prop.
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@broughie said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Steven-Harris Wasted choice. A rental of a geriatric, who had a good game against the Brumbies and was solid the rest of the season at super rugby level. That would be a step backwards and conservative. His AB career ended a long time ago.
It's not a wasted choice if he's selected alongside newbies, or as cover from the bench while the likes of Vaai get starting gametime.
@Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@broughie said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Steven-Harris Wasted choice. A rental of a geriatric, who had a good game against the Brumbies and was solid the rest of the season at super rugby level. That would be a step backwards and conservative. His AB career ended a long time ago.
It's not a wasted choice if he's selected alongside newbies, or as cover from the bench while the likes of Vaai get starting gametime.
He's simply too slow for Test rugby. You select him on the bench for a 20min effort at the end and five minutes into the game, a lock goes down injured. Recipe for disaster.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
And I don’t think he’s played for the abs since 2021
You're ready made for a media job with thinking like that!
2021 was less than a year ago mate.
@Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
And I don’t think he’s played for the abs since 2021
You're ready made for a media job with thinking like that!
2021 was less than a year ago mate.
any idea which was his last game? was it even in 2021?
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@Bones I like ALB, and would be happy with whoever is looking most dangerous and making fewest mistakes out of those wingers.
RTS maybe, and I'm not that down on Tupaea either - but the first thing we need to do is get our error count down. I'm not convinced yet by Jordie at 12, but I am convinced he isn't half the 15 that Jordan can be.
Havili I like as a player, but I think a bit of size at 12 as a bail-out option is a very handy thing with Mo'unga at 10.@reprobate said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Bones I like ALB, and would be happy with whoever is looking most dangerous and making fewest mistakes out of those wingers.
RTS maybe, and I'm not that down on Tupaea either - but the first thing we need to do is get our error count down. I'm not convinced yet by Jordie at 12, but I am convinced he isn't half the 15 that Jordan can be.
Havili I like as a player, but I think a bit of size at 12 as a bail-out option is a very handy thing with Mo'unga at 10.Two things for me get the error rate down plus organise our kicking game. It’s a shambles.
If we want to do the box kick then we need oat least 2 chasers who compete for the ball not the 1. This option is over used for me as an exit option. Noticeable how hard the Irish chased as a group when they kicked - like they knew when and where they were kicking to. Preferably we should be kicking earlier when on front foot running on to the ball, and long into corners, as part of our plan not just once we are static and the halfback is passing behind the forwards to flat footed first five. And, use the cross kick a lot less - I know it’s about stretching the D, but it’s a low % option. No good if we just hand the ball over to opposition.
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Bring back Boric!
under appreciated because he was pretty. Fucking good lock
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Goodhue at centre makes no sense given our current "plan" because he is significantly less likely to beat a guy one-on-one.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Bones I like ALB, and would be happy with whoever is looking most dangerous and making fewest mistakes out of those wingers.
RTS maybe, and I'm not that down on Tupaea either - but the first thing we need to do is get our error count down. I'm not convinced yet by Jordie at 12, but I am convinced he isn't half the 15 that Jordan can be.
Havili I like as a player, but I think a bit of size at 12 as a bail-out option is a very handy thing with Mo'unga at 10.Two things for me get the error rate down plus organise our kicking game. It’s a shambles.
If we want to do the box kick then we need oat least 2 chasers who compete for the ball not the 1. This option is over used for me as an exit option. Noticeable how hard the Irish chased as a group when they kicked - like they knew when and where they were kicking to. Preferably we should be kicking earlier when on front foot running on to the ball, and long into corners, as part of our plan not just once we are static and the halfback is passing behind the forwards to flat footed first five. And, use the cross kick a lot less - I know it’s about stretching the D, but it’s a low % option. No good if we just hand the ball over to opposition.
@kev thats the thing, Ireland players were in sync, knew thier roles, knew the game plan, even when things went off piste, they knew what the likely play was going to be, extremely well coached and drilled, nothign hugely complicated either, just all reading the same page.
Just good rugby, played accurately at pace, total trust in one another.
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@kev thats the thing, Ireland players were in sync, knew thier roles, knew the game plan, even when things went off piste, they knew what the likely play was going to be, extremely well coached and drilled, nothign hugely complicated either, just all reading the same page.
Just good rugby, played accurately at pace, total trust in one another.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@kev thats the thing, Ireland players were in sync, knew thier roles, knew the game plan, even when things went off piste, they knew what the likely play was going to be, extremely well coached and drilled, nothign hugely complicated either, just all reading the same page.
Just good rugby, played accurately at pace, total trust in one another.
I wonder how that happened,Good coaching,Leadership,structure and decent game plans may be.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@kev thats the thing, Ireland players were in sync, knew thier roles, knew the game plan, even when things went off piste, they knew what the likely play was going to be, extremely well coached and drilled, nothign hugely complicated either, just all reading the same page.
Just good rugby, played accurately at pace, total trust in one another.
I wonder how that happened,Good coaching,Leadership,structure and decent game plans may be.
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@Chris luck of the Irish!
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chris luck of the Irish!
Straight out of Foster and Robinsons notes.
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What about this:
Props: Ofa Tu'ungafasi, N Laulala, T Lomax, G Bower, E De Groot, A Ross
Hooker: S Taukei'aho, C Taylor, A Aumua
Locks: S Whitelock, S Barrett, T Vaii, J Goodhue*
Flanker/No8s: A Savea, S Cane, D Papalii, C Grace, L Jacobson, H Sotutu
Scrunhalfs: A Smith, F Christie, F Fakatava
First fives: B Barrett, R Mo'unga, (Either DMac or Perofeta depending on eligibility)
Centres: R Ioane, J Goodhue, RTS, Q Tupaea, D Havili
Wingers: C Clarke, S Reece, L Fainga'anuku, M Telea*
Fullbacks: W Jordan, J Barrett -
What about this:
Props: Ofa Tu'ungafasi, N Laulala, T Lomax, G Bower, E De Groot, A Ross
Hooker: S Taukei'aho, C Taylor, A Aumua
Locks: S Whitelock, S Barrett, T Vaii, J Goodhue*
Flanker/No8s: A Savea, S Cane, D Papalii, C Grace, L Jacobson, H Sotutu
Scrunhalfs: A Smith, F Christie, F Fakatava
First fives: B Barrett, R Mo'unga, (Either DMac or Perofeta depending on eligibility)
Centres: R Ioane, J Goodhue, RTS, Q Tupaea, D Havili
Wingers: C Clarke, S Reece, L Fainga'anuku, M Telea*
Fullbacks: W Jordan, J Barrett@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
What about this:
Props: Ofa Tu'ungafasi, N Laulala, T Lomax, G Bower, E De Groot, A Ross
Hooker: S Taukei'aho, C Taylor, A Aumua
Locks: S Whitelock, S Barrett, T Vaii, J Goodhue*
Flanker/No8s: A Savea, S Cane, D Papalii, C Grace, L Jacobson, H Sotutu
Scrunhalfs: A Smith, F Christie, F Fakatava
First fives: B Barrett, R Mo'unga, (Either DMac or Perofeta depending on eligibility)
Centres: R Ioane, J Goodhue, RTS, Q Tupaea, D Havili
Wingers: C Clarke, S Reece, L Fainga'anuku, M Telea*
Fullbacks: W Jordan, J Barrettlol no
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Romano deserves a spot on form alone, but we are meant to be building for a world cup that he would be unlikely to reach
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@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
What about this:
Props: Ofa Tu'ungafasi, N Laulala, T Lomax, G Bower, E De Groot, A Ross
Hooker: S Taukei'aho, C Taylor, A Aumua
Locks: S Whitelock, S Barrett, T Vaii, J Goodhue*
Flanker/No8s: A Savea, S Cane, D Papalii, C Grace, L Jacobson, H Sotutu
Scrunhalfs: A Smith, F Christie, F Fakatava
First fives: B Barrett, R Mo'unga, (Either DMac or Perofeta depending on eligibility)
Centres: R Ioane, J Goodhue, RTS, Q Tupaea, D Havili
Wingers: C Clarke, S Reece, L Fainga'anuku, M Telea*
Fullbacks: W Jordan, J Barrettlol no
@mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
What about this:
Props: Ofa Tu'ungafasi, N Laulala, T Lomax, G Bower, E De Groot, A Ross
Hooker: S Taukei'aho, C Taylor, A Aumua
Locks: S Whitelock, S Barrett, T Vaii, J Goodhue*
Flanker/No8s: A Savea, S Cane, D Papalii, C Grace, L Jacobson, H Sotutu
Scrunhalfs: A Smith, F Christie, F Fakatava
First fives: B Barrett, R Mo'unga, (Either DMac or Perofeta depending on eligibility)
Centres: R Ioane, J Goodhue, RTS, Q Tupaea, D Havili
Wingers: C Clarke, S Reece, L Fainga'anuku, M Telea*
Fullbacks: W Jordan, J Barrettlol no
Who over who then?
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What about this:
Props: Ofa Tu'ungafasi, N Laulala, T Lomax, G Bower, E De Groot, A Ross
Hooker: S Taukei'aho, C Taylor, A Aumua
Locks: S Whitelock, S Barrett, T Vaii, J Goodhue*
Flanker/No8s: A Savea, S Cane, D Papalii, C Grace, L Jacobson, H Sotutu
Scrunhalfs: A Smith, F Christie, F Fakatava
First fives: B Barrett, R Mo'unga, (Either DMac or Perofeta depending on eligibility)
Centres: R Ioane, J Goodhue, RTS, Q Tupaea, D Havili
Wingers: C Clarke, S Reece, L Fainga'anuku, M Telea*
Fullbacks: W Jordan, J Barrett@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
What about this:
Props: Ofa Tu'ungafasi, N Laulala, T Lomax, G Bower, E De Groot, A Ross
Hooker: S Taukei'aho, C Taylor, A Aumua
Locks: S Whitelock, S Barrett, T Vaii, J Goodhue*
Flanker/No8s: A Savea, S Cane, D Papalii, C Grace, L Jacobson, H Sotutu
Scrunhalfs: A Smith, F Christie, F Fakatava
First fives: B Barrett, R Mo'unga, (Either DMac or Perofeta depending on eligibility)
Centres: R Ioane, J Goodhue, RTS, Q Tupaea, D Havili
Wingers: C Clarke, S Reece, L Fainga'anuku, M Telea*
Fullbacks: W Jordan, J Barrettthe problem with this squad...you've still picked mostly the same people, fozzie doesn't have the balls to leave his big names in the stand if theyre in the squad, if we want to see some real change then there has tobe some big names playing NPC this year
