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  • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

    @TheMojoman it sounds like Shannon is a must select whenever possible for Foster.

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    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @TheMojoman it sounds like Shannon is a must select whenever possible for Foster.

    Well, he is family after all

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    • TheMojomanT TheMojoman

      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @KiwiMurph making stuff up?

      Sounds pretty specific to me

      Happy if this is true but how does McLeod keep on retaining his position? Easily the worst defence coach in World Rugby.

      It’s hard to see Mooar/Macleod retaining their jobs after the Irish series. But who would you bring in knowing that if things don’t go well Foster will be sacked and Razor will roll in his own team?

      If rumours are true (I’d note the rumour mill got it wrong about Cane being dropped as Capt) and MacDonald and Ryan are being canvassed as replacements. Doesn’t this foreshadow Foster getting axed anyway?

      I don't understand. Foster is strategic and he understands people are upset.
      So he brought back Shannon and Ennor.
      Fixed.

      Don’t forget he has a clear plan..but can’t tell us yet what changes will need to be made. We also know that he has a new clear plan because he’s selected almost exactly the same squad. Except for Frizell and Ennor that is.

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      @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @KiwiMurph making stuff up?

      Sounds pretty specific to me

      Happy if this is true but how does McLeod keep on retaining his position? Easily the worst defence coach in World Rugby.

      It’s hard to see Mooar/Macleod retaining their jobs after the Irish series. But who would you bring in knowing that if things don’t go well Foster will be sacked and Razor will roll in his own team?

      If rumours are true (I’d note the rumour mill got it wrong about Cane being dropped as Capt) and MacDonald and Ryan are being canvassed as replacements. Doesn’t this foreshadow Foster getting axed anyway?

      I don't understand. Foster is strategic and he understands people are upset.
      So he brought back Shannon and Ennor.
      Fixed.

      Don’t forget he has a clear plan..but can’t tell us yet what changes will need to be made. We also know that he has a new clear plan because he’s selected almost exactly the same squad. Except for Frizell and Ennor that is.

      Whisper it quietly, but maybe the plan is simple. To actually select players in their natural positions (no hybrid players in the backrow) and to select provincial combinations in the team to help with cohesiveness and in-game understanding.

      Not exactly revolutionary, but it would be a plan at least 🙂

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      • C cgrant

        Another aspect of the forward play which was dumb : commitment in the rucks or rather lack of commitment in the rucks. Do you remember the European Cup final between La Rochelle and Leinster (12 men of the starting XV of the Irish team of Saturday)? Leinster could not develop their usual play because the La Rochelle forwards made a nuisance of themselves in the rucks : counter rucking and slowing their opponents possession were systematic. What did we see during the 2nd and 3rd tests between the All Blacks and Ireland ? The All Blacks did not commit more than one or two players in the rucks (when they were in defense) which gave the Irish quick and easy possession, without having to commit their forwards to secure it. This was also the recipe used by the Bulls forwards in their semi final vs Leinster. Both games ended with Irish defeats.

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        @cgrant said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

        Another aspect of the forward play which was dumb : commitment in the rucks or rather lack of commitment in the rucks. Do you remember the European Cup final between La Rochelle and Leinster (12 men of the starting XV of the Irish team of Saturday)? Leinster could not develop their usual play because the La Rochelle forwards made a nuisance of themselves in the rucks : counter rucking and slowing their opponents possession were systematic. What did we see during the 2nd and 3rd tests between the All Blacks and Ireland ? The All Blacks did not commit more than one or two players in the rucks (when they were in defense) which gave the Irish quick and easy possession, without having to commit their forwards to secure it. This was also the recipe used by the Bulls forwards in their semi final vs Leinster. Both games ended with Irish defeats.

        I think I even posted on this prior to "Steinlager" squad selection.

        Not exactly rocket science.

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          Gave up reading the thread.

          I

          I just

          https://c.tenor.com/vpJKtla333QAAAAM/ok-crying.gif

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              @Steve wow. Shame that's not been posted before...

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                @Steve wow. Shame that's not been posted before...

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                @booboo said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                @Steve wow. Shame that's not been posted before...

                I mean. The fact you of all people would forget what that's called...

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                • boobooB booboo

                  @Steve wow. Shame that's not been posted before...

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                  @booboo what?

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                    @booboo what?

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                    @Steve @The-Irishman said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                    Interesting his take on Bower, whom many here thought he was one of the better AB players on Saturday.

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                    • S Steve

                      @booboo what?

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                      @Steve I’ve seen it on 2 other threads

                      TBF only one was posted by you

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                      • TheMojomanT TheMojoman

                        Who was advising Foster on this presser? “I’m resilient.. I’m strategic” WTH?

                        He sounds like someone who is under immense pressure and doesn’t have a plan. How do we know? Because he said as much..he’d let us know when he figures it out.

                        The selections are at least consistent and most I agree with. As far as I know we don’t have any superstars that are hiding out and haven’t been selected other than Mackenzie.

                        Frizell is a waste of a loosie spot they could’ve given to Grace, Jacobson or even retained PGS. Frizell looks good at Super rugby and ordinary at test level.

                        Laulala should’ve been dropped after his 3rd test performance.

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                        @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                        Who was advising Foster on this presser? “I’m resilient.. I’m strategic” WTH?

                        The only people who have told me they are strategic thinkers tend to be lightweights. It's just ... weird.

                        But honestly, that's not why we should critique him. We should base it on tangible, job related performance indicators. Like his weight (jokes)
                        Seriously, though, the issues seem to coalesce around

                        • developing a better tight 5 (not on him)
                        • tactics at rucks
                        • defence; passive vs active
                        • offence, bodies in motion vs one off flat footed
                        • poor tactical kicking and kick chasing
                        • selections around a clear gameplan

                        Did I miss anything?

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                          @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                          Who was advising Foster on this presser? “I’m resilient.. I’m strategic” WTH?

                          The only people who have told me they are strategic thinkers tend to be lightweights. It's just ... weird.

                          But honestly, that's not why we should critique him. We should base it on tangible, job related performance indicators. Like his weight (jokes)
                          Seriously, though, the issues seem to coalesce around

                          • developing a better tight 5 (not on him)
                          • tactics at rucks
                          • defence; passive vs active
                          • offence, bodies in motion vs one off flat footed
                          • poor tactical kicking and kick chasing
                          • selections around a clear gameplan

                          Did I miss anything?

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                          • MajorPomM MajorPom

                            @Steve I’ve seen it on 2 other threads

                            TBF only one was posted by you

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                            @MajorRage And? There was no need from the kuntishness from yer man.

                            Everyone should watch it anyway. A YouTuber seems to be putting in more elbow grease in his analysis than the NZ coaches.

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                              @MajorRage And? There was no need from the kuntishness from yer man.

                              Everyone should watch it anyway. A YouTuber seems to be putting in more elbow grease in his analysis than the NZ coaches.

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                              @Steve you posted the same video on more than one thread.

                              Figure out the rest yourself. I’m not explaining anymore.

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                                @MajorRage And? There was no need from the kuntishness from yer man.

                                Everyone should watch it anyway. A YouTuber seems to be putting in more elbow grease in his analysis than the NZ coaches.

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                                @Steve crikey. Thin skin?

                                Just pointing out it had been posted and discussed elsewhere.

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                                • C cgrant

                                  Another aspect of the forward play which was dumb : commitment in the rucks or rather lack of commitment in the rucks. Do you remember the European Cup final between La Rochelle and Leinster (12 men of the starting XV of the Irish team of Saturday)? Leinster could not develop their usual play because the La Rochelle forwards made a nuisance of themselves in the rucks : counter rucking and slowing their opponents possession were systematic. What did we see during the 2nd and 3rd tests between the All Blacks and Ireland ? The All Blacks did not commit more than one or two players in the rucks (when they were in defense) which gave the Irish quick and easy possession, without having to commit their forwards to secure it. This was also the recipe used by the Bulls forwards in their semi final vs Leinster. Both games ended with Irish defeats.

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                                  @cgrant yeah it is odd, it's almost like our coaching staff, sans McLeod are re watching the AB games circa 2016-2019 for inspiration, yet there is some excellent innovative and specifically planned play about at both test and the next tier down around to gather Intel and ideas from.

                                  The opening 10 of each test match is superb rugby from the Irish, so simple and effective, we are so unimaginative and slow on the uptake, I reckon we coulda played 3 more tests and they'd have scored inside the 1st 10 in each.

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                                    Despite the limitations of our tight 5, we do have the players to get us the go forward we need to give our backline more space to work with. If we pick ST at hooker, SB at lock, and Akira at 6 and tell them to make metres in close with pick and gos etc then that'll quickly give us the front foot ball we have been craving. If memory serves me correctly it was those 3 that got us back into the game against the French with their strong carries close to the ruck. As long as our scrum and lineout are stable then that gives us an awesome platform to attack from. Even if the opposition know what we are going to do, it's incredibly difficult to defend against without commiting more numbers close in, which opens up space wider out.

                                    Rugby is a simple game when it comes down to it, and I think part of our problem is the coaches are trying to be too clever with their gameplans and the players are not able to implement them under pressure, so we look incredibly disjointed.

                                    I can see some logic in bringing ST off the bench, but that only works if the starting hooker is doing his job. As it stands we just absolutely must start ST as he's head and shoulders above Taylor at the moment.

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                                    • boobooB booboo

                                      @Steve crikey. Thin skin?

                                      Just pointing out it had been posted and discussed elsewhere.

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                                      @booboo apologies.

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                                        @booboo apologies.

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                                        @Steve all good

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                                        • MajorPomM MajorPom

                                          @Steve you posted the same video on more than one thread.

                                          Figure out the rest yourself. I’m not explaining anymore.

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                                          @MajorRage my apologies.

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