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    @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @KiwiMurph making stuff up?

    Sounds pretty specific to me

    Happy if this is true but how does McLeod keep on retaining his position? Easily the worst defence coach in World Rugby.

    It’s hard to see Mooar/Macleod retaining their jobs after the Irish series. But who would you bring in knowing that if things don’t go well Foster will be sacked and Razor will roll in his own team?

    If rumours are true (I’d note the rumour mill got it wrong about Cane being dropped as Capt) and MacDonald and Ryan are being canvassed as replacements. Doesn’t this foreshadow Foster getting axed anyway?

    I think its smart by NZRU as next year post WC two assistants could argue they want to be on the team of a new head coach.

    So then - regardless of result - Razor becomes the ‘continuity’ candidate as Fozzie has to bring in all new people.

    If we win they chalk it to the assistants.

    If we lose, they hang it on Fozzie.

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    @gt12 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @KiwiMurph making stuff up?

    Sounds pretty specific to me

    Happy if this is true but how does McLeod keep on retaining his position? Easily the worst defence coach in World Rugby.

    It’s hard to see Mooar/Macleod retaining their jobs after the Irish series. But who would you bring in knowing that if things don’t go well Foster will be sacked and Razor will roll in his own team?

    If rumours are true (I’d note the rumour mill got it wrong about Cane being dropped as Capt) and MacDonald and Ryan are being canvassed as replacements. Doesn’t this foreshadow Foster getting axed anyway?

    I think its smart by NZRU as next year post WC two assistants could argue they want to be on the team of a new head coach.

    So then - regardless of result - Razor becomes the ‘continuity’ candidate as Fozzie has to bring in all new people.

    If we win they chalk it to the assistants.

    If we lose, they hang it on Fozzie.

    From what I’ve seen planning of that complexity is well beyond anything these clowns are capable of. It’s much more likely that they’re just too cowardly to make the big calls.

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    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

      I reckon the ABs have nothing to lose in SA.

      They are pretty much at rock bottom, lost 4 of thier last 5, 5 of thier last 8...

      Under normal circumstances 1 win in SA from 2 tests on consecutive weeks would be acceptable...

      Losing both is what the bulk of the rugby public is expecting now (some wanting, as they see this as a way to get Fozzie gone)

      For me, Fozzies future hinges on the Bledisloe, but the cards have given him the very best shot at retaining with 1 test at EP...but if if falls here, he loses the Cup and also takes on yet another first of being the first AB coach of the professional era to lose at EP...surely that will see him gone for the EOYT?

      Maybe Razor should be watching the NPC with a bit keener eye this year!

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      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      I reckon the ABs have nothing to lose in SA.

      They are pretty much at rock bottom, lost 4 of thier last 5, 5 of thier last 8...

      Under normal circumstances 1 win in SA from 2 tests on consecutive weeks would be acceptable...

      Losing both is what the bulk of the rugby public is expecting now (some wanting, as they see this as a way to get Fozzie gone)

      For me, Fozzies future hinges on the Bledisloe, but the cards have given him the very best shot at retaining with 1 test at EP...but if if falls here, he loses the Cup and also takes on yet another first of being the first AB coach of the professional era to lose at EP...surely that will see him gone for the EOYT?

      Maybe Razor should be watching the NPC with a bit keener eye this year!

      I have one FB mate who’s AB wankness is just embarrassing, exactly the kind of “fan” that give NZ a bad name. Basically gloating like a cock when they win and coming up with ALL sorts of excuses when they lose ( eg it’s the start of the season so they’re rusty…..or the middle of the season so they haven’t peaked……or the end of the season so they’re tired ) and despite everything he’s still carrying on like a prize dickwad saying that SA need to look out and the “Black attack” is coming for them.

      So yeah, they’ll be fine. 2-0 victory to the MIB should be assured.

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        All Black watch.

        Vaa'i played the 2nd game for Taranaki today, and Sotutu played in the 2nd game for CM (1st half at 6, 2nd half at no.8). No Dmac for Waikato.

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        • gt12G gt12

          @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          @Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          @KiwiMurph making stuff up?

          Sounds pretty specific to me

          Happy if this is true but how does McLeod keep on retaining his position? Easily the worst defence coach in World Rugby.

          It’s hard to see Mooar/Macleod retaining their jobs after the Irish series. But who would you bring in knowing that if things don’t go well Foster will be sacked and Razor will roll in his own team?

          If rumours are true (I’d note the rumour mill got it wrong about Cane being dropped as Capt) and MacDonald and Ryan are being canvassed as replacements. Doesn’t this foreshadow Foster getting axed anyway?

          I think its smart by NZRU as next year post WC two assistants could argue they want to be on the team of a new head coach.

          So then - regardless of result - Razor becomes the ‘continuity’ candidate as Fozzie has to bring in all new people.

          If we win they chalk it to the assistants.

          If we lose, they hang it on Fozzie.

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          @gt12 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          If we win they chalk it to the assistants.
          If we lose, they hang it on Fozzie.

          I can just see the headlines: "Earthquake in Peru. Foster to Blame"

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            No coaching changes, no captain change, no Grace. Going nowhere fast.

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            • FrankF Frank

              @gt12 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              I think its smart by NZRU as next year post WC two assistants could argue they want to be on the team of a new head coach.
              So then - regardless of result - Razor becomes the ‘continuity’ candidate as Fozzie has to bring in all new people.
              If we win they chalk it to the assistants.
              If we lose, they hang it on Fozzie.

              Motherfuckin wishful thinking - but I'm onboard!!!!

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              @Frank said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              @gt12 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              I think its smart by NZRU as next year post WC two assistants could argue they want to be on the team of a new head coach.
              So then - regardless of result - Razor becomes the ‘continuity’ candidate as Fozzie has to bring in all new people.
              If we win they chalk it to the assistants.
              If we lose, they hang it on Fozzie.

              Motherfuckin wishful thinking - but I'm onboard!!!!

              I don't care who is on-board or who leads who - I just don't want to see another shambles like last WE.

              Try the new Assistants and Joe Schmidt involvement, but if there's no big, consistent improvement, then take some radical action after the EOYT.

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              • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                @gt12 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                If we win they chalk it to the assistants.
                If we lose, they hang it on Fozzie.

                I can just see the headlines: "Earthquake in Peru. Foster to Blame"

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                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                @gt12 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                If we win they chalk it to the assistants.
                If we lose, they hang it on Fozzie.

                I can just see the headlines: "Earthquake in Peru. Foster to Blame"

                What did Foster fall over in Peru and the ground shook.

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                • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                  @Frank said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                  @gt12 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                  I think its smart by NZRU as next year post WC two assistants could argue they want to be on the team of a new head coach.
                  So then - regardless of result - Razor becomes the ‘continuity’ candidate as Fozzie has to bring in all new people.
                  If we win they chalk it to the assistants.
                  If we lose, they hang it on Fozzie.

                  Motherfuckin wishful thinking - but I'm onboard!!!!

                  I don't care who is on-board or who leads who - I just don't want to see another shambles like last WE.

                  Try the new Assistants and Joe Schmidt involvement, but if there's no big, consistent improvement, then take some radical action after the EOYT.

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                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                  the new Assistants

                  What have I missed? There's new assistants?

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                  • BonesB Bones

                    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                    the new Assistants

                    What have I missed? There's new assistants?

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                    @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                    the new Assistants

                    What have I missed? There's new assistants?

                    Allegedly to be announced. But may just be rumour.

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                    • BonesB Bones

                      @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                      the new Assistants

                      What have I missed? There's new assistants?

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                      @Bones Nothing announced yet.

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                      • sparkyS sparky

                        @Bones Nothing announced yet.

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                        @sparky said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                        @Bones Nothing announced yet.

                        I'll be quite surprised if there is.

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                          Old Samurai Jack
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                          Didn't one dude say it on Twitter? It wasn't even a "well-connected" journalist this time. All we know for sure is that Foster is in charge of ABs, MacDonald is taking the AB XV to Europe, and Razor isn't even in the frame. Foster said some changes were coming but that could be anything from a change in his breakfast menu to a reshuffle of duties by the existing coaches.

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                          • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                            @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                            @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                            the new Assistants

                            What have I missed? There's new assistants?

                            Allegedly to be announced. But may just be rumour.

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                            @Victor-Meldrew. But this could explain the delay in fronting media while processes were being gone through and giving time to think about what could and could not be said for both legal and human relations reasons. And of course the need to see if everyone who was preparing for the South Africa trip was ready and keen to go... including coaches and support staff.

                            Some of the irresponsible media efforts this week seem to have overlooked the real world and have preferred mischievous or fictitious 'leaks' and idiots that shoot videos and circulate them to multiple place to provoke misplaced outrage. Check out the Sam Smith articles this week to see how desperate they can be with made up stuff. Would you give them the inside scoops this week??

                            I feel for the people trying to do the right thing for all parties under critical review. It is not like they are blind to calls of outrage, media leaks and media opinion pieces.

                            My take is there is a collective responsibility felt, given the very wrong media leaks and absence of whistle blowers and resignations from within. That should be a good thing!

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                              Didn't one dude say it on Twitter? It wasn't even a "well-connected" journalist this time. All we know for sure is that Foster is in charge of ABs, MacDonald is taking the AB XV to Europe, and Razor isn't even in the frame. Foster said some changes were coming but that could be anything from a change in his breakfast menu to a reshuffle of duties by the existing coaches.

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                              @Old-Samurai-Jack Taylor to be co captain. Ennor as assistant backs coach.

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                              • StagS Stag

                                No coaching changes, no captain change, no Grace. Going nowhere fast.

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                                @Stag said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                No coaching changes, no captain change, no Grace. Going nowhere fast.

                                Powder is superdry

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                                  Didn't one dude say it on Twitter? It wasn't even a "well-connected" journalist this time. All we know for sure is that Foster is in charge of ABs, MacDonald is taking the AB XV to Europe, and Razor isn't even in the frame. Foster said some changes were coming but that could be anything from a change in his breakfast menu to a reshuffle of duties by the existing coaches.

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                                  @Old-Samurai-Jack was Mark Stafford the TAB (is he still there?) guy wasn't it?

                                  Yep, edit post

                                  @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                  https://twitter.com/stafnz/status/1550328032518631425

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                                  • O Old Samurai Jack

                                    Didn't one dude say it on Twitter? It wasn't even a "well-connected" journalist this time. All we know for sure is that Foster is in charge of ABs, MacDonald is taking the AB XV to Europe, and Razor isn't even in the frame. Foster said some changes were coming but that could be anything from a change in his breakfast menu to a reshuffle of duties by the existing coaches.

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                                    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                    Didn't one dude say it on Twitter? It wasn't even a "well-connected" journalist this time. All we know for sure is that Foster is in charge of ABs, MacDonald is taking the AB XV to Europe, and Razor isn't even in the frame. Foster said some changes were coming but that could be anything from a change in his breakfast menu to a reshuffle of duties by the existing coaches.

                                    Didn't know we knew that.

                                    Good result

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                                    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                      @Old-Samurai-Jack was Mark Stafford the TAB (is he still there?) guy wasn't it?

                                      Yep, edit post

                                      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                      https://twitter.com/stafnz/status/1550328032518631425

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                                      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                      @Old-Samurai-Jack was Mark Stafford the TAB (is he still there?) guy wasn't it?

                                      Yep, edit post

                                      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                      https://twitter.com/stafnz/status/1550328032518631425

                                      Define 'excused'? Ryan for Feek would be a head scratcher. Isn't Ryan contracted elsewhere for RWC? If Plumtree was leaving it would be more logical. But the rumour is to replace a scrum specialist.

                                      And interesting if Leon is added to AB's coaches after getting NZ XV appointment. Aren't they playing at the same time in different places? Blues might be asking questions if this is true.

                                      Did anyone else think it odd recruiting Razor to coach against All Black XV before AB XV coach was named? I wonder who will select the Baabaas and who will play for them?

                                      Sounds like some complicated issues around coach appointments moving forward if the twitter stuff all ends up true this time.

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                                      • ARHSA ARHS

                                        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        @Old-Samurai-Jack was Mark Stafford the TAB (is he still there?) guy wasn't it?

                                        Yep, edit post

                                        @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        https://twitter.com/stafnz/status/1550328032518631425

                                        Define 'excused'? Ryan for Feek would be a head scratcher. Isn't Ryan contracted elsewhere for RWC? If Plumtree was leaving it would be more logical. But the rumour is to replace a scrum specialist.

                                        And interesting if Leon is added to AB's coaches after getting NZ XV appointment. Aren't they playing at the same time in different places? Blues might be asking questions if this is true.

                                        Did anyone else think it odd recruiting Razor to coach against All Black XV before AB XV coach was named? I wonder who will select the Baabaas and who will play for them?

                                        Sounds like some complicated issues around coach appointments moving forward if the twitter stuff all ends up true this time.

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                                        @ARHS said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        @Old-Samurai-Jack was Mark Stafford the TAB (is he still there?) guy wasn't it?

                                        Yep, edit post

                                        @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        https://twitter.com/stafnz/status/1550328032518631425

                                        Ryan for Feek would be a head scratcher. Isn't Ryan contracted elsewhere for RWC? If Plumtree was leaving it would be more logical. But the rumour is to replace a scrum specialist.

                                        And interesting if Leon is added to AB's coaches after getting NZ XV appointment. Aren't they playing at the same time in different places? Blues might be asking questions if this is true.

                                        Did anyone else think it odd recruiting Razor to coach against All Black XV before AB XV coach was named? I wonder who will select the Baabaas and who will play for them?

                                        Sounds like some complicated issues around coach appointments moving forward if the twitter stuff all ends up true this time.

                                        Seems as if Plumtree and McLeod were central to Foster appointment. So replacement of either undermines foundation.

                                        Mooar/Feek doesnt really get to central issues, but buys more time for results.

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                                        • boobooB booboo

                                          @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                          Didn't one dude say it on Twitter? It wasn't even a "well-connected" journalist this time. All we know for sure is that Foster is in charge of ABs, MacDonald is taking the AB XV to Europe, and Razor isn't even in the frame. Foster said some changes were coming but that could be anything from a change in his breakfast menu to a reshuffle of duties by the existing coaches.

                                          Didn't know we knew that.

                                          Good result

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                                          @booboo Hold on, hold on. I thought I read on here that MacDonald was taking the AB XV. Going back now I can't find it. Another rumor? Sounds too sensible from the NZR to be true.....

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