The Worst All Blacks results ...
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@nostrildamus no way. 2007 was a thousand times worst than 03.
2007 still remains the biggest head scratcher of a match for me. After the result I didn’t want to get out of bed the whole day.
@ACT-Crusader said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@nostrildamus no way. 2007 was a thousand times worst than 03.
2007 still remains the biggest head scratcher of a match for me. After the result I didn’t want to get out of bed the whole day.
Beg to differ. I expected us to perform magnificently and then flop all through RWC. Australia had been gaining on us after the initial spectacular win all year and we didn't see it.
2007: against France in a RWC. That is all I need to write. -
@Catogrande said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
S’funny. At the time I saw him as your pre-eminent lock. Athletic, good line out forward, ok in the maul and as a carrier. Maybe a bit of a ruck inspector. Not sure who you’d have had above him at the time?
Yeah Jack was good. Him and Williams did a great job although Whitelock and Retallick were a level above.
@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Catogrande said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
S’funny. At the time I saw him as your pre-eminent lock. Athletic, good line out forward, ok in the maul and as a carrier. Maybe a bit of a ruck inspector. Not sure who you’d have had above him at the time?
Yeah Jack was good. Him and Williams did a great job although Whitelock and Retallick were a level above.
I don't know, they had some fine games together.
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@nostrildamus no way. 2007 was a thousand times worst than 03.
2007 still remains the biggest head scratcher of a match for me. After the result I didn’t want to get out of bed the whole day.
Beg to differ. I expected us to perform magnificently and then flop all through RWC. Australia had been gaining on us after the initial spectacular win all year and we didn't see it.
2007: against France in a RWC. That is all I need to write.@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
2007: against France in a RWC. That is all I need to write
a team we have a 7-2 record against in World Cups? You need to write a bit more.
We play France a lot in that tournament by the way.
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@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
2007: against France in a RWC. That is all I need to write
a team we have a 7-2 record against in World Cups? You need to write a bit more.
We play France a lot in that tournament by the way.
@mariner4life said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
2007: against France in a RWC. That is all I need to write
a team we have a 7-2 record against in World Cups? You need to write a bit more.
We play France a lot in that tournament by the way.
Records, smecords. Tell me, how predictable are the French in a RWC game against us? The next one could be predictable but not in a good way.
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@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Catogrande said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
S’funny. At the time I saw him as your pre-eminent lock. Athletic, good line out forward, ok in the maul and as a carrier. Maybe a bit of a ruck inspector. Not sure who you’d have had above him at the time?
Yeah Jack was good. Him and Williams did a great job although Whitelock and Retallick were a level above.
I don't know, they had some fine games together.
@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Catogrande said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
S’funny. At the time I saw him as your pre-eminent lock. Athletic, good line out forward, ok in the maul and as a carrier. Maybe a bit of a ruck inspector. Not sure who you’d have had above him at the time?
Yeah Jack was good. Him and Williams did a great job although Whitelock and Retallick were a level above.
I don't know, they had some fine games together.
the quintessential NZ locking combination. Perfectly fine fit athletic footballers, both pretty good in the air.
Completely lacking in mongrel, edge, and power.
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@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
2007: against France in a RWC. That is all I need to write
a team we have a 7-2 record against in World Cups? You need to write a bit more.
We play France a lot in that tournament by the way.
@mariner4life said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
2007: against France in a RWC. That is all I need to write
a team we have a 7-2 record against in World Cups? You need to write a bit more.
We play France a lot in that tournament by the way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rugby_union_matches_between_France_and_New_ZealandDespite the vastly superior win record of New Zealand in this encounter, France has the greatest number of wins against the All Blacks of any Northern Hemisphere opponent to date. *France are sometimes called the "bogey" team of New Zealand, known for having inconsistent results in regular test matches, but have proven to be fierce opponents in the knockout stage of the Rugby World Cup.* All Black campaigns in The Rugby World Cup were halted by defeats to France in 1999 and 2007, and were nearly upset again in 2011 with a very narrow 8-7 victory in the final. -
@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Catogrande said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
S’funny. At the time I saw him as your pre-eminent lock. Athletic, good line out forward, ok in the maul and as a carrier. Maybe a bit of a ruck inspector. Not sure who you’d have had above him at the time?
Yeah Jack was good. Him and Williams did a great job although Whitelock and Retallick were a level above.
I don't know, they had some fine games together.
the quintessential NZ locking combination. Perfectly fine fit athletic footballers, both pretty good in the air.
Completely lacking in mongrel, edge, and power.
@mariner4life said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Catogrande said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
S’funny. At the time I saw him as your pre-eminent lock. Athletic, good line out forward, ok in the maul and as a carrier. Maybe a bit of a ruck inspector. Not sure who you’d have had above him at the time?
Yeah Jack was good. Him and Williams did a great job although Whitelock and Retallick were a level above.
I don't know, they had some fine games together.
the quintessential NZ locking combination. Perfectly fine fit athletic footballers, both pretty good in the air.
Completely lacking in mongrel, edge, and power.
Williams had plenty of mongrel. Oh, you mean on the field? Carry on.
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i expect to beat France every time we play them. And in the professional era i have been right 24 times
and wrong only 5.
holy shit look at that wiki page. They beat us in the first test in 2009, and then not again until last year, while we racked up 14 in a row. Some of them absolute beltings.
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i expect to beat France every time we play them. And in the professional era i have been right 24 times
and wrong only 5.
holy shit look at that wiki page. They beat us in the first test in 2009, and then not again until last year, while we racked up 14 in a row. Some of them absolute beltings.
@mariner4life said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
i expect to beat France every time we play them. And in the professional era i have been right 24 times
and wrong only 5.
holy shit look at that wiki page. They beat us in the first test in 2009, and then not again until last year, while we racked up 14 in a row. Some of them absolute beltings.
When they do beat us it is often memorable. 1994, 1999, 2007, almost 2011....
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@mariner4life said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
i expect to beat France every time we play them. And in the professional era i have been right 24 times
and wrong only 5.
holy shit look at that wiki page. They beat us in the first test in 2009, and then not again until last year, while we racked up 14 in a row. Some of them absolute beltings.
When they do beat us it is often memorable. 1994, 1999, 2007, almost 2011....
@canefan said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
almost 2011
speaking of self harm, we are now talking legit wins as "almost losses"?
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@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
I don’t think this era can be topped.
Oh yes it can....
1970-71 - Three Test losses on the trot
1971 - First series loss to the Lions
1972 - First loss to an England club side (twice)
1972 - First draw with an Irish club side
1973 - First time we didn't win against Ireland (10-10 draw)
1973 - Lost to France for the first time in 20 years
1973 - Lost to the NZ Juniors
1973 - Lost to a NZ Invitation Side
1973 - First loss to England at home (Eden Park)Still, on the bright side, things did pick up after about 5 years and 3-4 new coaches
@Victor-Meldrew Damn you for reminding me - not that I don't think of it way too often. Add getting smashed by Oz at Eden Park, 4 tries to Cornelsen a #8 FFS and another to their blindside another record loss in the Bastille Day test against France. Plus having a pack that was so shite against the Lions that we were reduced to packing down three man scrums.
No wonder I was so traumatised I had to fuck off to Europe for the next 13 years
For me our worst RWC defeat was the 99 capitulation. All losses hurt and there are arguments that we didn't deserve to in 95 and 07 but 99 we were too nervous to front the frogs
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@Victor-Meldrew Damn you for reminding me - not that I don't think of it way too often. Add getting smashed by Oz at Eden Park, 4 tries to Cornelsen a #8 FFS and another to their blindside another record loss in the Bastille Day test against France. Plus having a pack that was so shite against the Lions that we were reduced to packing down three man scrums.
No wonder I was so traumatised I had to fuck off to Europe for the next 13 years
For me our worst RWC defeat was the 99 capitulation. All losses hurt and there are arguments that we didn't deserve to in 95 and 07 but 99 we were too nervous to front the frogs
@dogmeat said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
99 we were too nervous to front the frogs
I'd argue cocky, only Jonah looked like he was focused and up for that match, pretty much all the rest of the team from the bus to warming up, all looked far too jovial.
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@dogmeat said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
99 we were too nervous to front the frogs
I'd argue cocky, only Jonah looked like he was focused and up for that match, pretty much all the rest of the team from the bus to warming up, all looked far too jovial.
@taniwharugby I'm thinking of the comments about the second half and those nasty horrible Frenchmen doing all those horrid underhand things and we were too timid to respond.
Although I do agree with your point - we clearly believed that having put 50 points on them 5 months earlier we just needed to front up. Problem was - we didn't.
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@mariner4life said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Catogrande said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
S’funny. At the time I saw him as your pre-eminent lock. Athletic, good line out forward, ok in the maul and as a carrier. Maybe a bit of a ruck inspector. Not sure who you’d have had above him at the time?
Yeah Jack was good. Him and Williams did a great job although Whitelock and Retallick were a level above.
I don't know, they had some fine games together.
the quintessential NZ locking combination. Perfectly fine fit athletic footballers, both pretty good in the air.
Completely lacking in mongrel, edge, and power.
Williams had plenty of mongrel. Oh, you mean on the field? Carry on.
@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@mariner4life said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Catogrande said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
S’funny. At the time I saw him as your pre-eminent lock. Athletic, good line out forward, ok in the maul and as a carrier. Maybe a bit of a ruck inspector. Not sure who you’d have had above him at the time?
Yeah Jack was good. Him and Williams did a great job although Whitelock and Retallick were a level above.
I don't know, they had some fine games together.
the quintessential NZ locking combination. Perfectly fine fit athletic footballers, both pretty good in the air.
Completely lacking in mongrel, edge, and power.
Williams had plenty of mongrel. Oh, you mean on the field? Carry on.
So did Jack. Fantastic jab.
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@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@mariner4life said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Catogrande said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
S’funny. At the time I saw him as your pre-eminent lock. Athletic, good line out forward, ok in the maul and as a carrier. Maybe a bit of a ruck inspector. Not sure who you’d have had above him at the time?
Yeah Jack was good. Him and Williams did a great job although Whitelock and Retallick were a level above.
I don't know, they had some fine games together.
the quintessential NZ locking combination. Perfectly fine fit athletic footballers, both pretty good in the air.
Completely lacking in mongrel, edge, and power.
Williams had plenty of mongrel. Oh, you mean on the field? Carry on.
So did Jack. Fantastic jab.
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@MN5 rugby just looked better back then. Whoever is responsible for removing rucking has a lot to answer for.
@antipodean said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 rugby just looked better back then. Whoever is responsible for removing rucking has a lot to answer for.
fuck yes it was, because it's a brutal sport that was allowed to be brutal. Nothing wrong with any of that at all. Can you imagine the 5 minute TMO review and the number of cards now? No one will convince me it's a better product
Also, who is the massive cat in Black 6 who backs right off when Andrews turns on him, but rushes in to stomp the fuck out of the tackler?
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@antipodean said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 rugby just looked better back then. Whoever is responsible for removing rucking has a lot to answer for.
fuck yes it was, because it's a brutal sport that was allowed to be brutal. Nothing wrong with any of that at all. Can you imagine the 5 minute TMO review and the number of cards now? No one will convince me it's a better product
Also, who is the massive cat in Black 6 who backs right off when Andrews turns on him, but rushes in to stomp the fuck out of the tackler?
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@antipodean said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 rugby just looked better back then. Whoever is responsible for removing rucking has a lot to answer for.
fuck yes it was, because it's a brutal sport that was allowed to be brutal. Nothing wrong with any of that at all. Can you imagine the 5 minute TMO review and the number of cards now? No one will convince me it's a better product
Also, who is the massive cat in Black 6 who backs right off when Andrews turns on him, but rushes in to stomp the fuck out of the tackler?
@mariner4life that'd be a red card and about 12 weeks nowadays
