All Blacks v Argentina II
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
Taylor's lineout throwing in Pumas 1, which probably cost us the game, had nothing to do with Foster and was all down to Taylor and the forwards. I hope he gave them a good kick up the arse for that shit.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
Do you want him to join the commentary team and call out player errors in real-time?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Taylor's lineout throwing in Pumas 1, which probably cost us the game, had nothing to do with Foster and was all down to Taylor and the forwards. I hope he gave them a good kick up the arse for that shit.
Sure Fozzie and the coaches are not able to control what player do on the park, but they are the ones setting the tone at trainings, meetings, driving and building the culture of success.
From the outside, Fozzie seems to think what he is doing is fine, it was his assistants that were the problem, and last week, Taylor.
These players don't become shit overnight, we have seen patches in several tests in the past 12 months that proves just this, so why are we only getting 10 or 20 mins a test of quality test rugby?
As above, if the players aren't doing what the coach wants, why weren't more dropped after the Irish test series?
We are rebuilding aren't we, but rebuilding while playing the same tune with the same instruments...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Taylor's lineout throwing in Pumas 1, which probably cost us the game, had nothing to do with Foster and was all down to Taylor and the forwards. I hope he gave them a good kick up the arse for that shit.
Sure Fozzie and the coaches are not able to control what player do on the park, but they are the ones setting the tone at trainings, meetings, driving and building the culture of success.
From the outside, Fozzie seems to think what he is doing is fine, it was his assistants that were the problem, and last week, Taylor.
These players don't become shit overnight, we have seen patches in several tests in the past 12 months that proves just this, so why are we only getting 10 or 20 mins a test of quality test rugby?
As above, if the players aren't doing what the coach wants, why weren't more dropped after the Irish test series?
We are rebuilding aren't we, but rebuilding while playing the same tune with the same instruments...
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
These players don't become shit overnight, we have seen patches in several tests in the past 12 months that proves just this, so why are we only getting 10 or 20 mins a test of quality test rugby?
I'm genuinely convinced it's a collective head/mental thing. And while that's down to Foster to fix, the players need to fix that as well - but I'm pretty convinced Foster's not the person to lead that fix.
As above, if the players aren't doing what the coach wants, why weren't more dropped after the Irish test series?
Very true, but he's got himself into a position where that option was pretty limited - some thru injuries, some thru excessive caution and always being on the back-foot. Big gripe for me is how a relative newbie has one bad game and then goes out of favour (it's almost as if he reads The Fern...) Needs to be a wee bit bolder as he was with the front row.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Another post missing the point.
Not doing it is the very stuff the coaches were annoyed about. Instinct to go wide when it isn’t on.On the suggestion though Clarke did try coming infield for a burst a couple of times IIRC. Jordan, however was conspicuously absent and JB stopped appearing where he was needed
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
I call BS on that. I say they are doing what he tells them to do. Otherwise he would drop them, like any coach with players who don't stick to the game plan.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Another post missing the point.
Not doing it is the very stuff the coaches were annoyed about. Instinct to go wide when it isn’t on.On the suggestion though Clarke did try coming infield for a burst a couple of times IIRC. Jordan, however was conspicuously absent and JB stopped appearing where he was needed
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
I call BS on that. I say they are doing what he tells them to do. Otherwise he would drop them, like any coach with players who don't stick to the game plan.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
Are you sure? If anything Foster has been too supportive and shielded the players (publicly at least).
Maybe in the other thread you could support this “perennial cry”
If they are playing to the plan at the start of the game it is quite obvious when they go off plan under pressure and to an instinctive mode. The big problem is that this generation and lower level rugby in NZ hones instinct that has been shut down at the test level.
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
And if they retain the Bled and win Tri-Nations as favourites??
Then it hides the fact that we still haven't consistently found the solution for the power and pressure game that most of our rivals bring against us.
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
So what’s the story if the ABs sort their shit out and trounce Argentina???
That are we are reactive team that can't string together consistent performances and likely to lose knockout games because of it.
Also probably rely on emotion to "get up" for the odd good performance that papers over the cracks of poor selection and poor coaching.
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
So what’s the story if the ABs sort their shit out and trounce Argentina???
Better execution last week and we score 30+
We dominated. Just couldn't convert into points
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
So what’s the story if the ABs sort their shit out and trounce Argentina???
Better execution last week and we score 30+
We dominated. Just couldn't convert into points
I didn't see that at all. I felt we were the better side, but we never once looked the dominant side.
We scored off a lineout drive, and a turn-over lineout when they were not ready to defend. While we made metres up the field in the first half, we never looked like cracking them. As we tired, defending got easier for them. We simply have lost any sting in our attack.
Also "dominating" while not being able to get points is pretty much how the All Blacks always lose. (It's only under Foster that we have consistently moved to actually being a much worse side than out opposition.) I say "dominating" because if you are unable to score points, you aren't actually dominating.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
These players don't become shit overnight, we have seen patches in several tests in the past 12 months that proves just this, so why are we only getting 10 or 20 mins a test of quality test rugby?
I'm genuinely convinced it's a collective head/mental thing. And while that's down to Foster to fix, the players need to fix that as well - but I'm pretty convinced Foster's not the person to lead that fix.
As above, if the players aren't doing what the coach wants, why weren't more dropped after the Irish test series?
Very true, but he's got himself into a position where that option was pretty limited - some thru injuries, some thru excessive caution and always being on the back-foot. Big gripe for me is how a relative newbie has one bad game and then goes out of favour (it's almost as if he reads The Fern...) Needs to be a wee bit bolder as he was with the front row.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
These players don't become shit overnight, we have seen patches in several tests in the past 12 months that proves just this, so why are we only getting 10 or 20 mins a test of quality test rugby?
I'm genuinely convinced it's a collective head/mental thing. And while that's down to Foster to fix, the players need to fix that as well - but I'm pretty convinced Foster's not the person to lead that fix.
As above, if the players aren't doing what the coach wants, why weren't more dropped after the Irish test series?
Very true, but he's got himself into a position where that option was pretty limited - some thru injuries, some thru excessive caution and always being on the back-foot. Big gripe for me is how a relative newbie has one bad game and then goes out of favour (it's almost as if he reads The Fern...) Needs to be a wee bit bolder as he was with the front row.
I can’t shake the feeling that Foster is overly pally with the players. Good relationships yes, but there have to be times when the hair dryer comes out. Joe is certainly known to have an industrial grade one. And Fozzie also doesn’t come across as a winner, whilst recognising how shallow that sounds.
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
So what’s the story if the ABs sort their shit out and trounce Argentina???
That Codie Taylor has had his day sadly
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
So what’s the story if the ABs sort their shit out and trounce Argentina???
That Codie Taylor has had his day sadly
Obviously someone connected to either the NZ Selectors (Fosters Mob) and/or the NZRFU does not agree you you given this three year contract awarded little more than eight months ago
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
So what’s the story if the ABs sort their shit out and trounce Argentina???
That Codie Taylor has had his day sadly
Obviously someone connected to either the NZ Selectors (Fosters Mob) and/or the NZRFU does not agree you you given this three year contract awarded little more than eight months ago
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ardie/Scooter/Paps.
That's fucking awful - bring a 7 on at 8, move a slow footed lock to 6, and move the 8 to 7.
Mex is adamant Paps is not a 7.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ardie/Scooter/Paps.
That's fucking awful - bring a 7 on at 8, move a slow footed lock to 6, and move the 8 to 7.
Mex is adamant Paps is not a 7.
what is he then? update: 8? Ok. That might have some merit. But he needs to play there. Didn't catch why Mexted doesn't like Gus or Hosea at 8.
Dalton in school days:
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ardie/Scooter/Paps.
That's fucking awful - bring a 7 on at 8, move a slow footed lock to 6, and move the 8 to 7.
Mex is adamant Paps is not a 7.
what is he then? update: 8? Ok. That might have some merit. But he needs to play there. Didn't catch why Mexted doesn't like Gus or Hosea at 8.
Dalton in school days:
if the loose forwards are dominating who is letting Ardie down to win 2/8? Did a journalist ask him?
