All Blacks v Argentina II
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
That's depressing reading. You wouldn't think they'd need to lose 6 out of their last 8 matches to figure this stuff out.
Expecting to see Beauden & Retallick back. I can't say either fill me with much excitement.
Hoping to see Hoskins. 6th time might be the charm.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
Jaysus, I can barely remember trios picked from 12 days ago let alone 12 months ago.
Sadly no chance of that trio again for a while with Blackadder injured and Sotutu the non playing squad member.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
Jaysus, I can barely remember trios picked from 12 days ago let alone 12 months ago.
Sadly no chance of that trio again for a while with Blackadder injured and Sotutu the non playing squad member.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
Jaysus, I can barely remember trios picked from 12 days ago let alone 12 months ago.
Sadly no chance of that trio again for a while with Blackadder injured and Sotutu the non playing squad member.
Me neither but I have vivid memories of JC/Richie/Rodders and then JK/Richie/Read.
I definitely have Rugby alzheimers.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
Jaysus, I can barely remember trios picked from 12 days ago let alone 12 months ago.
Sadly no chance of that trio again for a while with Blackadder injured and Sotutu the non playing squad member.
Me neither but I have vivid memories of JC/Richie/Rodders and then JK/Richie/Read.
I definitely have Rugby alzheimers.
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
Jaysus, I can barely remember trios picked from 12 days ago let alone 12 months ago.
Sadly no chance of that trio again for a while with Blackadder injured and Sotutu the non playing squad member.
Me neither but I have vivid memories of JC/Richie/Rodders and then JK/Richie/Read.
I definitely have Rugby alzheimers.
I also have vivid memories of MJ/AJ/Buck and Kronfeld/MJ/Zinny.
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Tremaine, Kirkpatrick, Lochore
Mourie, Kirkpatrick, Knight,
Mourie, Shaw, MextedHave our loosies ever been this ineffective?
@dogmeat said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Tremaine, Kirkpatrick, Lochore
Mourie, Kirkpatrick, Knight,
Mourie, Shaw, MextedHave our loosies ever been this ineffective?
Going back to those loosies is a bit strange, they played such a different tyle then. There was no turnover ball almost ever in those days because you could not put hands near ball on ground, and loosies main job was to blow people over and run with ball. Lohore's great strength was actually really mainly his covering defence work. Such a different game then.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Tremaine, Kirkpatrick, Lochore
Mourie, Kirkpatrick, Knight,
Mourie, Shaw, MextedHave our loosies ever been this ineffective?
Going back to those loosies is a bit strange, they played such a different tyle then. There was no turnover ball almost ever in those days because you could not put hands near ball on ground, and loosies main job was to blow people over and run with ball. Lohore's great strength was actually really mainly his covering defence work. Such a different game then.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Pleased he's back and fit, but, jeez that was a hard read - almost cringeworthy in places. I know it's only one interview, but it was so buzzword & cliche-ridden he sounded like a team leader in a failing call centre.
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The heat might be on, so they need to roll the dice.
De Groot, ST, Newell (or is he other side) for 65 mins
SW (c) Vaai
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Fakatava, Mounga
Tupaea, Reiko
Clarke, Jordie, JordanColes, lomax, Bower, SB, Savea, Smith, perofeta, Reece
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The heat might be on, so they need to roll the dice.
De Groot, ST, Newell (or is he other side) for 65 mins
SW (c) Vaai
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Fakatava, Mounga
Tupaea, Reiko
Clarke, Jordie, JordanColes, lomax, Bower, SB, Savea, Smith, perofeta, Reece
Lomax > Newell, at this time. This will probably change for the next WC or even before. Newell is currently ineffective in the mauls where he seems a bit lost. Lomax is also better at cleaning rucks. Scrummaging is OK for both of them.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Pleased he's back and fit, but, jeez that was a hard read - almost cringeworthy in places. I know it's only one interview, but it was so buzzword & cliche-ridden he sounded like a team leader in a failing call centre.
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@Victor-Meldrew Yeah that interview made me feel sick. Foster still finding his feet despite a billion fucking years in the ABs and now be head coach. WTAF?
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew Yeah that interview made me feel sick. Foster still finding his feet despite a billion fucking years in the ABs and now be head coach. WTAF?
Think he was talking about Schmidt's input and finding their collective feet more than anything else - and the tension between Schmidt's ball-retention approach and the AB's run-the-ball "DNA". Sounds like a bit of a culture-change or culture-clash issue. Surprised to hear that from a 106 Test veteran, though, and thought he'd be a bit more circumspect.
If there's an issue there it needs to be sorted out pronto otherwise Pumas II could look like Pumas I
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew Yeah that interview made me feel sick. Foster still finding his feet despite a billion fucking years in the ABs and now be head coach. WTAF?
Think he was talking about Schmidt's input and finding their collective feet more than anything else - and the tension between Schmidt's ball-retention approach and the AB's run-the-ball "DNA". Sounds like a bit of a culture-change or culture-clash issue. Surprised to hear that from a 106 Test veteran, though, and thought he'd be a bit more circumspect.
If there's an issue there it needs to be sorted out pronto otherwise Pumas II could look like Pumas I
@Victor-Meldrew I think you mean Pumas II could look like Pumas I, which looked like SA I, which looked like IRE III, which looked like IRE II. Which looked like EOYT FRA, which looked like EOYT IRE, which looked like ARG first victory, which looked like IRE first victory, etc etc.
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@Victor-Meldrew I think you mean Pumas II could look like Pumas I, which looked like SA I, which looked like IRE III, which looked like IRE II. Which looked like EOYT FRA, which looked like EOYT IRE, which looked like ARG first victory, which looked like IRE first victory, etc etc.
Only if there's an issue of course.@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew I think you mean Pumas II could look like Pumas I, which looked like SA I, which looked like IRE III, which looked like IRE II. Which looked like EOYT FRA, which looked like EOYT IRE, which looked like ARG first victory, which looked like IRE first victory, etc etc.
Only if there's an issue of course.Schmidt's day-day involvement only started 2-3 weeks ago.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew I think you mean Pumas II could look like Pumas I, which looked like SA I, which looked like IRE III, which looked like IRE II. Which looked like EOYT FRA, which looked like EOYT IRE, which looked like ARG first victory, which looked like IRE first victory, etc etc.
Only if there's an issue of course.Schmidt's day-day involvement only started 2-3 weeks ago.
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Curious to see how Cheika approaches this test. If I were him I’d throw out some different tactics early doors. I know they’re installing a new style under Kidwell but they’ve got a real shot here. The Pumas are one of those teams, a bit like Scotland, capable of a big result but then never back it up. Take advantage of the ABs maybe coming out too hard somehow.
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I expect us to win whoever we put out. One obvious pattern over the past two years is that the coaching/senior players solve last week's problems for the next game.
If the Argies can offer something new (unlikely) then that could throw a spanner in the works.
Currently we are building a team that will lose a knockout game, can't string two good games together, let alone the three you need to win a World Cup.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I expect us to win whoever we put out. One obvious pattern over the past two years is that the coaching/senior players solve last week's problems for the next game.
If the Argies can offer something new (unlikely) then that could throw a spanner in the works.
Currently we are building a team that will lose a knockout game, can't string two good games together, let alone the three you need to win a World Cup.
Did you watch the third test vs Ireland?
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@Victor-Meldrew Yep, i get that. the point being the irony in something being sorted out pronto, at this point.
Well, this is the Pumas II thread and how that game pans out, so minimal irony I guess.
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Curious to see how Cheika approaches this test. If I were him I’d throw out some different tactics early doors. I know they’re installing a new style under Kidwell but they’ve got a real shot here. The Pumas are one of those teams, a bit like Scotland, capable of a big result but then never back it up. Take advantage of the ABs maybe coming out too hard somehow.
@game_film said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Curious to see how Cheika approaches this test. If I were him I’d throw out some different tactics early doors. I know they’re installing a new style under Kidwell but they’ve got a real shot here. The Pumas are one of those teams, a bit like Scotland, capable of a big result but then never back it up. Take advantage of the ABs maybe coming out too hard somehow.
That’s really talking up the Scots….unless they’re playing a shit team they have the wood on like Australia.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I expect us to win whoever we put out. One obvious pattern over the past two years is that the coaching/senior players solve last week's problems for the next game.
If the Argies can offer something new (unlikely) then that could throw a spanner in the works.
Currently we are building a team that will lose a knockout game, can't string two good games together, let alone the three you need to win a World Cup.
Did you watch the third test vs Ireland?
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Did you watch the third test vs Ireland?
If we play that badly again, my wine collection as well as the TV might end up in the swimming pool. If we can at least break the "two losses in a row" pattern we've seen in the last year or so, that would be progress of sorts.
A solid, calm start would be a good thing to see. Get some points on the board and then take control for a good win rather than playing from kick-off as if there's a 50 point cushion.
