Japan v All Blacks
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When I read Knowler's team my immediate thought was that he had simply listed the players that hadn't had much game time in black.
For starters I think that BBBR will be playing and be captain (or either Cane or Ardie will start and BBBR will take over)
The AB XV players will only get used where necessary (eg DMac on bench with RM starting and Perofeta at 15 then moving to 10 later and DMac coming on)
Clarke still needs experience so Ennor sits on the bench for me.
Some front rowers also need time under the belt and experience against different styles.
So.Not sure of the front row mix
BBBR at lock (PT on bench)
One of either Cane or Savea to start
Christie starting but Smith to get 20 minutes
RM starting with Perofeta to swap in
RTS/ ALB starting with Reiko on bench
Clarke and Reece
Perofeta at 15 with DMac on bench. -
On the positive side, if Taylor stays in the main squad which unfortunately it looks like, he needs more practice than anyone
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When I read Knowler's team my immediate thought was that he had simply listed the players that hadn't had much game time in black.
For starters I think that BBBR will be playing and be captain (or either Cane or Ardie will start and BBBR will take over)
The AB XV players will only get used where necessary (eg DMac on bench with RM starting and Perofeta at 15 then moving to 10 later and DMac coming on)
Clarke still needs experience so Ennor sits on the bench for me.
Some front rowers also need time under the belt and experience against different styles.
So.Not sure of the front row mix
BBBR at lock (PT on bench)
One of either Cane or Savea to start
Christie starting but Smith to get 20 minutes
RM starting with Perofeta to swap in
RTS/ ALB starting with Reiko on bench
Clarke and Reece
Perofeta at 15 with DMac on bench. -
@Crucial I hope/think Perofeta will get some serious game time. Much as though I like DMac, I think Perofeta is the better choice and deserves the chance more
@Victor-Meldrew said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial I hope/think Perofeta will get some serious game time. Much as though I like DMac, I think Perofeta is the better choice and deserves the chance more
I think Perofeta will get 80, just that he will move positions. We need him (or DMac) as a backup option for the current BB role.
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That suggested team also reflects the thought that players can't play 3 big games in a row. If some of these fringe players don't get an opportunity to play against Japan when do they play on this tour?
@Bovidae said in Japan v All Blacks:
That suggested team also reflects the thought that players can't play 3 big games in a row. If some of these fringe players don't get an opportunity to play against Japan when do they play on this tour?
It should be a balance of game time for those that need it whether in a 'A' team of not. I also don't want our main players going into the NH tour cold.
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That suggested team also reflects the thought that players can't play 3 big games in a row. If some of these fringe players don't get an opportunity to play against Japan when do they play on this tour?
@Bovidae said in Japan v All Blacks:
can't play 3 big games in a row
i still think this is complete bullshit and makes test players look weak as piss
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@Bovidae said in Japan v All Blacks:
can't play 3 big games in a row
i still think this is complete bullshit and makes test players look weak as piss
@mariner4life agreed, and we should be doing everything to build that kind of strength
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That suggested team also reflects the thought that players can't play 3 big games in a row. If some of these fringe players don't get an opportunity to play against Japan when do they play on this tour?
@Bovidae said in Japan v All Blacks:
That suggested team also reflects the thought that players can't play 3 big games in a row. If some of these fringe players don't get an opportunity to play against Japan when do they play on this tour?
Kind of a pre requisite for anyone wanting to win a World Cup I woulda thought.
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@Bovidae said in Japan v All Blacks:
can't play 3 big games in a row
i still think this is complete bullshit and makes test players look weak as piss
@mariner4life yep, if that really is the case, then why is that the case?
That was at the heart of Henrys Rotation policy wasnt it?
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That suggested team also reflects the thought that players can't play 3 big games in a row. If some of these fringe players don't get an opportunity to play against Japan when do they play on this tour?
players can't play 3 big games in a row
I know it’s said like this often but “can’t” is too strong. They were just referencing a slight but measurable drop in performance (gps/software tracking speeds, total distance etc)
I would like to here it discussed by current coaches. Is this still relevant? Is it more forwards than backs? Is it because of niggles that are specific to rugby because of the variety of angles and unpredictable timing of contact etc
As for this game I think one reason you’d pick a ‘weak’ side is because the coaches want the EOYT to mimic a RWC. So this is the equivalent of a weaker pool match. Injuries happen a lot in rugby and can derail a tournament.. so it makes sense expose the top xv slightly less but also get game time into the potential injury replacements
I don’t really understand the negativity. This has been happening for decades and every major side does it.
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players can't play 3 big games in a row
I know it’s said like this often but “can’t” is too strong. They were just referencing a slight but measurable drop in performance (gps/software tracking speeds, total distance etc)
I would like to here it discussed by current coaches. Is this still relevant? Is it more forwards than backs? Is it because of niggles that are specific to rugby because of the variety of angles and unpredictable timing of contact etc
As for this game I think one reason you’d pick a ‘weak’ side is because the coaches want the EOYT to mimic a RWC. So this is the equivalent of a weaker pool match. Injuries happen a lot in rugby and can derail a tournament.. so it makes sense expose the top xv slightly less but also get game time into the potential injury replacements
I don’t really understand the negativity. This has been happening for decades and every major side does it.
@Duluth said in Japan v All Blacks:
players can't play 3 big games in a row
I know it’s said like this often but “can’t” is too strong. They were just referencing a slight but measurable drop in performance (gps/software tracking speeds, total distance etc)
I would like to here it discussed by current coaches. Is this still relevant? Is it more forwards than backs? Is it because of niggles that are specific to rugby because of the variety of angles and unpredictable timing of contact etc
As for this game I think one reason you’d pick a ‘weak’ side is because the coaches want the EOYT to mimic a RWC. So this is the equivalent of a weaker pool match. Injuries happen a lot in rugby and can derail a tournament.. so it makes sense expose the top xv slightly less but also get game time into the potential injury replacements
I don’t really understand the negativity. This has been happening for decades and every major side does it.
Agree. Decisions are now informed by a lot of data and it is not a generalisation but individual player based.
It is also not so much that players can't play but that effectiveness shows a decrease or that the risk of a player having a 'flat' game is increased. If you plan for this and have the players available to rest others then why not as a risk mitigation strategy.
I agree that perceptions are based on old coach comments and observations and it would be interesting to hear an updated take on it.
For the next RWC we only have to worry about 3 in a row and not 4 anyway.
The draw for us is
Tough, easy, easy, easy, tough, tough, tough if we make the final. -
@Duluth said in Japan v All Blacks:
players can't play 3 big games in a row
I know it’s said like this often but “can’t” is too strong. They were just referencing a slight but measurable drop in performance (gps/software tracking speeds, total distance etc)
I would like to here it discussed by current coaches. Is this still relevant? Is it more forwards than backs? Is it because of niggles that are specific to rugby because of the variety of angles and unpredictable timing of contact etc
As for this game I think one reason you’d pick a ‘weak’ side is because the coaches want the EOYT to mimic a RWC. So this is the equivalent of a weaker pool match. Injuries happen a lot in rugby and can derail a tournament.. so it makes sense expose the top xv slightly less but also get game time into the potential injury replacements
I don’t really understand the negativity. This has been happening for decades and every major side does it.
Agree. Decisions are now informed by a lot of data and it is not a generalisation but individual player based.
It is also not so much that players can't play but that effectiveness shows a decrease or that the risk of a player having a 'flat' game is increased. If you plan for this and have the players available to rest others then why not as a risk mitigation strategy.
I agree that perceptions are based on old coach comments and observations and it would be interesting to hear an updated take on it.
For the next RWC we only have to worry about 3 in a row and not 4 anyway.
The draw for us is
Tough, easy, easy, easy, tough, tough, tough if we make the final.That’s ugly.
Thus far, draw appears to be a pretty crucial factor in winning a WC.
Unless there is an upset and things go pear-shaped for another strong team, I think we have our worse chance ever to win it, and that’s not only due to the weakness of this team.
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This is the team that Knowler thinks could be selected.
Possible All Blacks starting XV: Damian McKenzie, Sevu Reece, Anton Lienert-Brown, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Braydon Ennor, Stephen Perofeta, Finlay Christie, Hoskins Sotutu, Dalton Papali'i, Akira Ioane, Tupou Vaa'i, Patrick Tuipulotu, Nepo Laulala, Codie Taylor, George Bower.
I'd select a stronger XV by starting Mo'unga and having Perofeta at fullback myself. DMac on the bench.
@Bovidae said in Japan v All Blacks:
This is the team that Knowler thinks could be selected.
Possible All Blacks starting XV: Damian McKenzie, Sevu Reece, Anton Lienert-Brown, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Braydon Ennor, Stephen Perofeta, Finlay Christie, Hoskins Sotutu, Dalton Papali'i, Akira Ioane, Tupou Vaa'i, Patrick Tuipulotu, Nepo Laulala, Codie Taylor, George Bower.
I'd select a stronger XV by starting Mo'unga and having Perofeta at fullback myself. DMac on the bench.
That looks like a team that Japan would be very happy to face
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That’s ugly.
Thus far, draw appears to be a pretty crucial factor in winning a WC.
Unless there is an upset and things go pear-shaped for another strong team, I think we have our worse chance ever to win it, and that’s not only due to the weakness of this team.
@gt12 said in Japan v All Blacks:
That’s ugly.
Thus far, draw appears to be a pretty crucial factor in winning a WC.
Unless there is an upset and things go pear-shaped for another strong team, I think we have our worse chance ever to win it, and that’s not only due to the weakness of this team.
Do you mean the potential RWC run of games?
That has been known for a long time. It's why some of the comments around the chances of the ABs are quite ridiculous. The draw has the top four teams (currently) ranked all on one side of the draw and two will get knocked out in the quarters.
The chances of a quarter final exit are high and that's not because we are shit but because either one of SA or IRE can beat us on the day. We are all about on par IMO.So back on discussion (which is a diversion in itself). Unless you get a very lucky draw you always have to be strong for 3 games in a row at a RWC.
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This is the team that Knowler thinks could be selected.
Possible All Blacks starting XV: Damian McKenzie, Sevu Reece, Anton Lienert-Brown, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Braydon Ennor, Stephen Perofeta, Finlay Christie, Hoskins Sotutu, Dalton Papali'i, Akira Ioane, Tupou Vaa'i, Patrick Tuipulotu, Nepo Laulala, Codie Taylor, George Bower.
I'd select a stronger XV by starting Mo'unga and having Perofeta at fullback myself. DMac on the bench.
I thought Coles was out of this tour. I was hoping they might have given Perofeta a run at 1st. With Richie in the reserves just in case
- George Bower (19)
- Dane Coles (84)
- Nepo Laualala (42)
- Brodie Retallick (98)
- Tupou Vaa’i (15)
- Shannon Frizell (21)
- Sam Cane (85) (captain)
- Hoskins Sotutu (12)
- Finlay Christie (12)
- Richie Mo’unga (41)
- Caleb Clarke (11)
- Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (2)
- Braydon Ennor (5)
- Sevu Reece (21)
- Stephen Perofeta (1)
- Samisoni Taukei’aho (17)
- Ofa Tu’ungafasi (48)
- Tyrel Lomax (20)
- Patrick Tuipulotu (42)
- Dalton Papali’i (18)
- Aaron Smith (111)
- David Havili (21)
- Anton Lienert-Brown (56)
