Japan v All Blacks
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Amazed at the ignorance of so many posts about Japan here. Aside from a single pasting against Ireland Japan has been very competitive against all international opposition in recent years. So against a second string AB team and with some fortuitous tries the closeness of scoreline should not have been such a shock.
Really liked the inventiveness in Japanese lineout, but we also pulled off a huge lineout play.
I thought our backline was very poor and the kicking and defensive reads far too inaccurate and ruck clearance was sloppy. The absence of a kicking 12 stunted us with the defence in our faces. Hope to see Jordie back there and see why they have persevered with Havili.
Surprised that nobody seemed to notice the high workrates of Cane Sotutu Vaii Retallick and Sami cos I thought that effort won us the match. -
@Joans-Town-Jones Played off the bench in the semi final against the All Blacks for England that knocked them out of the cup. He is a big halfback and would be close to the best in the country after Smith.
@SBW1 said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones Played off the bench in the semi final against the All Blacks for England that knocked them out of the cup. He is a big halfback and would be close to the best in the country after Smith.
Honestly, I'd be after Will Genia. He's the best 9 I've seen behind a forward pack going backwards.
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@canefan see edited post
@taniwharugby said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan see edited post
An opportunity for some of the fringe players to show their quality
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@Dan54 said in Japan v All Blacks:
we not seeing the indivudual skill levels that I believe we did in the late 90s-early 2000s when we seemed to watch wonderful flowing games at test level.
Part of the problem, IMO, is that defensive players have become so efficient at jackling that the excellent mini-breaks that would have triggered thar flowing rugby, now often result in the player being isolated and conceding a penalty. Less risk = less ambition.
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in Japan v All Blacks:
we not seeing the indivudual skill levels that I believe we did in the late 90s-early 2000s when we seemed to watch wonderful flowing games at test level.
Part of the problem, IMO, is that defensive players have become so efficient at jackling that the excellent mini-breaks that would have triggered thar flowing rugby, now often result in the player being isolated and conceding a penalty. Less risk = less ambition.
It is also the way that the 'jackal' is ruled.
At present if you look stable over the ball with your hands on it for a split second the refs rule a holding penalty.
IMO it should be that the tackled player is denying you a clear opportunity to turn the ball over. The tackled player also has a right (in the law book) to play the ball and needs to be given that right. At present that is ruled simply on seeing a clear release by the tackler, yet the jackler is on the ball way before the ball carrier gets any chance to do what they are entitled to.
There is no benefit, in fact a deterrent, to make a line break at times so you are better to turn the game into a recycle fest.
Rugby's beauty was that it highlighted player's endeavour and that has gone to a large extent.
As I have suggested many times before, the emphasis on size and impact must go. Enforce the binding law and encourage the breakdown back to being a wrestle/push on the feet with turnovers achieved by getting numbers there first. That will bring the aerobic requirement back, create room on the field, decrease flying missile impacts and reduce the desire for player size over skill. -
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@taniwharugby said in Japan v All Blacks:
Coles and Cane out, heading home.
Going or staying home might be a good option for players,because this NH tour could get ugly.
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@taniwharugby said in Japan v All Blacks:
Coles and Cane out, heading home.
Going or staying home might be a good option for players,because this NH tour could get ugly.
@Chris sadly, that has been on the cards since the 2nd Irish test.
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WTF is it with Mounga and his kicking game? Some games he looks a million bucks and others he looks like a twenty cent piece being kicked into the gutter.
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
That shit kicking was what gave Japan the ability to be good. Why is a player like Mounga not seeing that on the field? -
@Dan54 said in Japan v All Blacks:
we not seeing the indivudual skill levels that I believe we did in the late 90s-early 2000s when we seemed to watch wonderful flowing games at test level.
Part of the problem, IMO, is that defensive players have become so efficient at jackling that the excellent mini-breaks that would have triggered thar flowing rugby, now often result in the player being isolated and conceding a penalty. Less risk = less ambition.
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WTF is it with Mounga and his kicking game? Some games he looks a million bucks and others he looks like a twenty cent piece being kicked into the gutter.
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
That shit kicking was what gave Japan the ability to be good. Why is a player like Mounga not seeing that on the field?@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
He of all people should understand it he has done enough of it himself.
As BB was doing it all season JB from FB as well it looks like a team tactic for some bizarre reason. -
@Dan54 said in Japan v All Blacks:
we not seeing the indivudual skill levels that I believe we did in the late 90s-early 2000s when we seemed to watch wonderful flowing games at test level.
Part of the problem, IMO, is that defensive players have become so efficient at jackling that the excellent mini-breaks that would have triggered thar flowing rugby, now often result in the player being isolated and conceding a penalty. Less risk = less ambition.
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in Japan v All Blacks:
we not seeing the indivudual skill levels that I believe we did in the late 90s-early 2000s when we seemed to watch wonderful flowing games at test level.
Part of the problem, IMO, is that defensive players have become so efficient at jackling that the excellent mini-breaks that would have triggered thar flowing rugby, now often result in the player being isolated and conceding a penalty. Less risk = less ambition.
Case in point the wallabies just ran a beautiful play that resulted in a turnover because the attacking players were all in motion so the clean out was a microsecond late.
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WTF is it with Mounga and his kicking game? Some games he looks a million bucks and others he looks like a twenty cent piece being kicked into the gutter.
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
That shit kicking was what gave Japan the ability to be good. Why is a player like Mounga not seeing that on the field?@Crucial just wonder if not having a kicking 12 outside him changes his mindset a bit. Didn't really take on the line and perhaps the defence took out chip and grubber options. So more kick and hope for an error rather than put his 12 under pressure? But I would still hope to see more high bombs at a targeted defender and kicks hitting grass with roll on to trouble the defender.
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@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
He of all people should understand it he has done enough of it himself.
As BB was doing it all season JB from FB as well it looks like a team tactic for some bizarre reason. -
@Chris Dmac kicked well from hand in Npc landing ball in gaps regularly. Perhaps it was a work on for him.
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@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
He of all people should understand it he has done enough of it himself.
As BB was doing it all season JB from FB as well it looks like a team tactic for some bizarre reason.@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
He of all people should understand it he has done enough of it himself.
As BB was doing it all season JB from FB as well it looks like a team tactic for some bizarre reason.You should only kick the ball in general play for a set purpose. That means that if you are unlikely to achieve that purpose, don't kick it! If the opposition are well positioned at the back you won't find space. If the opposition have more likelihood of collecting a high ball than you do, don't kick it!
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@taniwharugby said in Japan v All Blacks:
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Cane musn't have realised he'd fractured his cheekbone until after the match.
Harmon has had a bumper year. Good Super, really good Maori and now he's with the ABs.
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@taniwharugby said in Japan v All Blacks:
Coles and Cane out, heading home.
Dalton Papalii should get his chance now.
Hope Aumua gets some game time. Otherwise he would be better off with the AB15.
Coles might have one year left in him (hope so as the Canes still need him). But it looks like he is close to times up now.
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WTF is it with Mounga and his kicking game? Some games he looks a million bucks and others he looks like a twenty cent piece being kicked into the gutter.
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
That shit kicking was what gave Japan the ability to be good. Why is a player like Mounga not seeing that on the field?@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
WTF is it with Mounga and his kicking game? Some games he looks a million bucks and others he looks like a twenty cent piece being kicked into the gutter.
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
That shit kicking was what gave Japan the ability to be good. Why is a player like Mounga not seeing that on the field?It's frightening we haven't had a 10 since 2015 who can launch a punt into the stratosphere to put us in a good position or get us out of a shit position. If that 10 fell over we had 4 guys lined up who could.
