Japan v All Blacks
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@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
He of all people should understand it he has done enough of it himself.
As BB was doing it all season JB from FB as well it looks like a team tactic for some bizarre reason.You should only kick the ball in general play for a set purpose. That means that if you are unlikely to achieve that purpose, don't kick it! If the opposition are well positioned at the back you won't find space. If the opposition have more likelihood of collecting a high ball than you do, don't kick it!
No argument with that,But we are seeing it from everyone in this Ab set up who tactically kick.
Mounga,Jordie Barrett,Beauden Barrett its either a team tactic kicking straight to a player and not into space as they are all doing it.
Or it's a disease associated with this squad.@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
He of all people should understand it he has done enough of it himself.
As BB was doing it all season JB from FB as well it looks like a team tactic for some bizarre reason.You should only kick the ball in general play for a set purpose. That means that if you are unlikely to achieve that purpose, don't kick it! If the opposition are well positioned at the back you won't find space. If the opposition have more likelihood of collecting a high ball than you do, don't kick it!
No argument with that,But we are seeing it from everyone in this Ab set up who tactically kick.
Mounga,Jordie Barrett,Beauden Barrett its either a team tactic kicking straight to a player and not into space as they are all doing it.
Or it's a disease associated with this squad.I dont think we have a kicking skills coach at the moment do we?
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@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
He of all people should understand it he has done enough of it himself.
As BB was doing it all season JB from FB as well it looks like a team tactic for some bizarre reason.You should only kick the ball in general play for a set purpose. That means that if you are unlikely to achieve that purpose, don't kick it! If the opposition are well positioned at the back you won't find space. If the opposition have more likelihood of collecting a high ball than you do, don't kick it!
No argument with that,But we are seeing it from everyone in this Ab set up who tactically kick.
Mounga,Jordie Barrett,Beauden Barrett its either a team tactic kicking straight to a player and not into space as they are all doing it.
Or it's a disease associated with this squad.I dont think we have a kicking skills coach at the moment do we?
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
He of all people should understand it he has done enough of it himself.
As BB was doing it all season JB from FB as well it looks like a team tactic for some bizarre reason.You should only kick the ball in general play for a set purpose. That means that if you are unlikely to achieve that purpose, don't kick it! If the opposition are well positioned at the back you won't find space. If the opposition have more likelihood of collecting a high ball than you do, don't kick it!
No argument with that,But we are seeing it from everyone in this Ab set up who tactically kick.
Mounga,Jordie Barrett,Beauden Barrett its either a team tactic kicking straight to a player and not into space as they are all doing it.
Or it's a disease associated with this squad.I dont think we have a kicking skills coach at the moment do we?
well Foster was a First Five and his main strength was kicking when he played I suppose he is it.
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@mariner4life said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Stargazer said in Japan v All Blacks:
I forgot, who was the victim of the tip tackle in last night's match, that was only deemed worthy of a yellow by the ref? And who was the Japanese player, who deserved that red card? It will be interesting to see if he gets cited; I think he should be.
There was also a shoulder to head clean out on one of our props about 5 mins before BBBRs. Wasn't looked at .
Being a ref is a thankless task
Have you got a time for that, or Dalts tip, anyone?
@Machpants 71:40 for the cleanout past the horizontal. Came down okay.
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@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
He of all people should understand it he has done enough of it himself.
As BB was doing it all season JB from FB as well it looks like a team tactic for some bizarre reason.You should only kick the ball in general play for a set purpose. That means that if you are unlikely to achieve that purpose, don't kick it! If the opposition are well positioned at the back you won't find space. If the opposition have more likelihood of collecting a high ball than you do, don't kick it!
No argument with that,But we are seeing it from everyone in this Ab set up who tactically kick.
Mounga,Jordie Barrett,Beauden Barrett its either a team tactic kicking straight to a player and not into space as they are all doing it.
Or it's a disease associated with this squad.I dont think we have a kicking skills coach at the moment do we?
well Foster was a First Five and his main strength was kicking when he played I suppose he is it.
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
He of all people should understand it he has done enough of it himself.
As BB was doing it all season JB from FB as well it looks like a team tactic for some bizarre reason.You should only kick the ball in general play for a set purpose. That means that if you are unlikely to achieve that purpose, don't kick it! If the opposition are well positioned at the back you won't find space. If the opposition have more likelihood of collecting a high ball than you do, don't kick it!
No argument with that,But we are seeing it from everyone in this Ab set up who tactically kick.
Mounga,Jordie Barrett,Beauden Barrett its either a team tactic kicking straight to a player and not into space as they are all doing it.
Or it's a disease associated with this squad.I dont think we have a kicking skills coach at the moment do we?
well Foster was a First Five and his main strength was kicking when he played I suppose he is it.
I don't know. Since Mick Byrne left I think that there has been occasional use of Andrew Strawbridge but I dont think there is anyone doing long term work.
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@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
He of all people should understand it he has done enough of it himself.
As BB was doing it all season JB from FB as well it looks like a team tactic for some bizarre reason.You should only kick the ball in general play for a set purpose. That means that if you are unlikely to achieve that purpose, don't kick it! If the opposition are well positioned at the back you won't find space. If the opposition have more likelihood of collecting a high ball than you do, don't kick it!
No argument with that,But we are seeing it from everyone in this Ab set up who tactically kick.
Mounga,Jordie Barrett,Beauden Barrett its either a team tactic kicking straight to a player and not into space as they are all doing it.
Or it's a disease associated with this squad.I dont think we have a kicking skills coach at the moment do we?
well Foster was a First Five and his main strength was kicking when he played I suppose he is it.
I don't know. Since Mick Byrne left I think that there has been occasional use of Andrew Strawbridge but I dont think there is anyone doing long term work.
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in Japan v All Blacks:
Even DMac was shaking his head at the brainless kicking at times.
He of all people should understand it he has done enough of it himself.
As BB was doing it all season JB from FB as well it looks like a team tactic for some bizarre reason.You should only kick the ball in general play for a set purpose. That means that if you are unlikely to achieve that purpose, don't kick it! If the opposition are well positioned at the back you won't find space. If the opposition have more likelihood of collecting a high ball than you do, don't kick it!
No argument with that,But we are seeing it from everyone in this Ab set up who tactically kick.
Mounga,Jordie Barrett,Beauden Barrett its either a team tactic kicking straight to a player and not into space as they are all doing it.
Or it's a disease associated with this squad.I dont think we have a kicking skills coach at the moment do we?
well Foster was a First Five and his main strength was kicking when he played I suppose he is it.
I don't know. Since Mick Byrne left I think that there has been occasional use of Andrew Strawbridge but I dont think there is anyone doing long term work.
It shows.
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@Stargazer said in [Japan v All Blacks](/post/787107
@Stargazer said in Japan v All Blacks:
Two GOATs were there!
They should have been selected
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@Stargazer said in [Japan v All Blacks](/post/787107
@Stargazer said in Japan v All Blacks:
Two GOATs were there!
They should have been selected
@Nevorian well one of them has recently been in SA teaching skills; why NZR isnt looking to utilise his (well both actually) skills is beyond me.
Maybe Foster thinks they are too close to the game in terms of recently retired, although given they are still using the pretty much the same structures and principals from when those 2 last played....
McLeod must be proud of his defence, our last 2 outings v Japan have conceded >60 points...guess you could argue its our attack that has fallen away since the last visit to Japan, the defence is consistent...
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DC did some kicking work with the BFs a few weeks back. Don’t know where he finds the time in between his visits to the Chemist Warehouse.
@Crucial I do wonder if they need a size 4.5 ball for womens rugby, slightly lighter and smaller than the mens size 5, but not as small as the ones they use for some kids grades
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That was the first full game I gave watched for 2 years, got a sky subs going again for the cricket.
I do enjoy watching Japan. Although, normally I enjoy watching them against anyone other than nz as their high tempo game usually played right into our hands . Not anymore?
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@Tim I can't find a gif or vid of it anywhere, but at the time I was flabbergasted that it wasn't properly penalised. Not even a yellow.
@Stargazer said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Tim I can't find a gif or vid of it anywhere
Because it involves an All Black player so the world doesn’t care…
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@Crucial I do wonder if they need a size 4.5 ball for womens rugby, slightly lighter and smaller than the mens size 5, but not as small as the ones they use for some kids grades
@taniwharugby said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Crucial I do wonder if they need a size 4.5 ball for womens rugby, slightly lighter and smaller than the mens size 5, but not as small as the ones they use for some kids grades
Cough helium filled cough
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@Crucial I do wonder if they need a size 4.5 ball for womens rugby, slightly lighter and smaller than the mens size 5, but not as small as the ones they use for some kids grades
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Anybody else think having Mitchell in the coaching box helped Japan it felt like that England semi.
@mikey07 said in Japan v All Blacks:
Anybody else think having Mitchell in the coaching box helped Japan it felt like that England semi.
No idea. But I see Mitchell has made yet another fckn journey. This time from twickenham to Tokyo.
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So SW is out, SC now out, BBBR out, DC out, Ardie for captain? BB?
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Japan v All Blacks:
So SW is out, SC now out, BBBR out, DC out, Ardie for captain? BB?
DC retired ages ago. And if you’re referring to someone else. Don’t!
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Japan v All Blacks:
So SW is out, SC now out, BBBR out, DC out, Ardie for captain? BB?
DC retired ages ago. And if you’re referring to someone else. Don’t!
@Billy-Tell said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Japan v All Blacks:
So SW is out, SC now out, BBBR out, DC out, Ardie for captain? BB?
DC retired ages ago. And if you’re referring to someone else. Don’t!
Yeah it will definitely be Ardie, he’s third choice behind Cane and Whitelock. Probably second now because it’s hard seeing Cane coming back from yet another injury. The man should retire or go to Japan and make easy $$
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@Billy-Tell said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Japan v All Blacks:
So SW is out, SC now out, BBBR out, DC out, Ardie for captain? BB?
DC retired ages ago. And if you’re referring to someone else. Don’t!
Yeah it will definitely be Ardie, he’s third choice behind Cane and Whitelock. Probably second now because it’s hard seeing Cane coming back from yet another injury. The man should retire or go to Japan and make easy $$
@Canes4life said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Billy-Tell said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Japan v All Blacks:
So SW is out, SC now out, BBBR out, DC out, Ardie for captain? BB?
DC retired ages ago. And if you’re referring to someone else. Don’t!
Yeah it will definitely be Ardie, he’s third choice behind Cane and Whitelock. Probably second now because it’s hard seeing Cane coming back from yet another injury. The man should retire or go to Japan and make easy $$
And Coles he has played 3 games in 2 years same problem calf injury again.
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I don't know where to start critiquing this performance. The All Blacks were so flat it was almost unbelievable. These are highly paid athletes who are living their best lives playing a sport they love on the world stage and they looked completely disinterested. They lacked energy and intensity and looked lethargic. Like they were bored. It all starts at the top, with a low-energy, low enthusiasm head coach like Ian Foster, of course our players will also lack energy and enthusiasm.
We lacked structure in both attack and defense. Is our new attacking structure based around high-risk offloads post-contact? Because that's a recipe for failure against elite teams in high pressure matches. I'm not sure what our right edge defense was doing, but Japan made a line-break whenever they felt like it when they attacked our right side.
Our forwards were hesitant and lacked physicality at the breakdown and tackle. Our lineout was sub-standard and our maul was the weakest I've seen it. Taukei'aho played his worst game of the season and our backrow was outplayed once again.
RTS showed why he isn't a centre, he's not big enough to bend the defensive line, and not elusive enough in close to create line-breaks with his footwork.
We once again reverted to not committing any more than minimal numbers to the ruck. And low and behold, the outcomes were almost exactly the same as they've been on practically every other occasion we've tried that.
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@Canes4life said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Billy-Tell said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Japan v All Blacks:
So SW is out, SC now out, BBBR out, DC out, Ardie for captain? BB?
DC retired ages ago. And if you’re referring to someone else. Don’t!
Yeah it will definitely be Ardie, he’s third choice behind Cane and Whitelock. Probably second now because it’s hard seeing Cane coming back from yet another injury. The man should retire or go to Japan and make easy $$
And Coles he has played 3 games in 2 years same problem calf injury again.
@Chris said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Canes4life said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Billy-Tell said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Japan v All Blacks:
So SW is out, SC now out, BBBR out, DC out, Ardie for captain? BB?
DC retired ages ago. And if you’re referring to someone else. Don’t!
Yeah it will definitely be Ardie, he’s third choice behind Cane and Whitelock. Probably second now because it’s hard seeing Cane coming back from yet another injury. The man should retire or go to Japan and make easy $$
And Coles he has played 3 games in 2 years same problem calf injury again.
Yeah, these guys are broken too often. Aumua for Coles and Harmon for Cane until Blackadder comes back.
