Japan v All Blacks
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Japan v All Blacks:
The fact that Ennor gets selected in any AB team, regardless of injuries or lack of cattle, makes my balls shrink.
Now that Bridge has gone he’s telling us all to hold his beer.
@MN5 said in Japan v All Blacks:
Now that Bridge has gone he’s [Ennor] telling us all to hold his beer.
I'm not surprised. He didn't hold on to much as an AB before this game.
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And fourthly if I am allowed a fourth takeaway is 4 How has Foster not sweated off a few kilos of fat this year?
@Nevorian said in Japan v All Blacks:
And fourthly if I am allowed a fourth takeaway is 4 How has Foster not sweated off a few kilos of fat this year?
It's learnings, not burnings.
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I don't know where to start critiquing this performance. The All Blacks were so flat it was almost unbelievable. These are highly paid athletes who are living their best lives playing a sport they love on the world stage and they looked completely disinterested. They lacked energy and intensity and looked lethargic. Like they were bored. It all starts at the top, with a low-energy, low enthusiasm head coach like Ian Foster, of course our players will also lack energy and enthusiasm.
We lacked structure in both attack and defense. Is our new attacking structure based around high-risk offloads post-contact? Because that's a recipe for failure against elite teams in high pressure matches. I'm not sure what our right edge defense was doing, but Japan made a line-break whenever they felt like it when they attacked our right side.
Our forwards were hesitant and lacked physicality at the breakdown and tackle. Our lineout was sub-standard and our maul was the weakest I've seen it. Taukei'aho played his worst game of the season and our backrow was outplayed once again.
RTS showed why he isn't a centre, he's not big enough to bend the defensive line, and not elusive enough in close to create line-breaks with his footwork.
We once again reverted to not committing any more than minimal numbers to the ruck. And low and behold, the outcomes were almost exactly the same as they've been on practically every other occasion we've tried that.
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
RTS showed why he isn't a centre, he's not big enough to bend the defensive line, and not elusive enough in close to create line-breaks with his footwork.
Really? I thought RTS played really well and was one of the better players on the pitch - which is pretty impressive when you consider he's played less than 20(?) top flight Union games.
He'll get a huge amount out of that game as will the coaching staff (who seem to have managed him well) and he'll be able to consolidate that experience with the All Blacks XV.
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@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
RTS showed why he isn't a centre, he's not big enough to bend the defensive line, and not elusive enough in close to create line-breaks with his footwork.
Really? I thought RTS played really well and was one of the better players on the pitch - which is pretty impressive when you consider he's played less than 20(?) top flight Union games.
He'll get a huge amount out of that game as will the coaching staff (who seem to have managed him well) and he'll be able to consolidate that experience with the All Blacks XV.
@Victor-Meldrew He did. People like to get stuck into him because he's come from league, but apart from the odd defensive lapse, he's made a good fist of 12 in his first ever year of pro rugby.
I'd still have Jordie at 12, but I definitely see a role for RTS in the squad going forward.
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@Victor-Meldrew He did. People like to get stuck into him because he's come from league, but apart from the odd defensive lapse, he's made a good fist of 12 in his first ever year of pro rugby.
I'd still have Jordie at 12, but I definitely see a role for RTS in the squad going forward.
@African-Monkey said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew He did. People like to get stuck into him because he's come from league, but apart from the odd defensive lapse, he's made a good fist of 12 in his first ever year of pro rugby.
I'd still have Jordie at 12, but I definitely see a role for RTS in the squad going forward.
My question would be 'for how long?'. Once the RWC squad gets narrowed down he just becomes an option. Good for depth if he gets a chance to develop more before that, but the reality is that he may not be required. Long time to go before that though.
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@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
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@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
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@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
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@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
I didn’t realise Reece was only 25 aswell. He’s still got a few years in him yet.
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Nope. T'was only way to watch game.
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@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
I didn’t realise Reece was only 25 aswell. He’s still got a few years in him yet.
@Canes4life said in Japan v All Blacks:
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
I didn’t realise Reece was only 25 aswell. He’s still got a few years in him yet.
Wing? Two, max. It is the way
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@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
Has a big head for a small bloke.
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Have avoided the thread as I'm pretty sure what is being said. But I'll throw my tuppence out there four days later. So late it's probably no longer relevant or of any interest, but anyways ... in no particular order...
- Kind of echoed the ABs season to date as a whole. Just when you thought they were well on top they slipped up.
- On the whole ABs deserved the win.
- The defence just before halftime was the biggest issue for me. That was not excusable. It meant that the underdogs found belief. Add in a lucky try and what should have been comfortable gets tricky.
- Hugely surprised that our forwards could not establish dominance. That Japan achieved parity kept our attack at bay.
- Impressed with Warner Dearns. (Which leads me to a side issue that is better explored in another thread re eligibility.)
- Impressed with our offload game when we got it going.
- Pass from Mo to RTS was fine. I called it forward on first view, but replays showed it clearly back out of the hand.
- Which leads me to commentators:
a. Mrs Boo asked during the game "Why did Marshall ever bother playing for the All Blacks if he hates them so much?"
b. I kinda understand why Auckland/Blues fans don't like TJ as his cheerleading for Japan got on my wick. - I thought RTS was excellent
- Further to point 4 above, I felt we were too eager to kick the ball away after not many phases. Kinda wondered if it was deliberate to test our defense. Well it worked... it was tested ... and found wanting.
- There were a number of people pointing out how well Japan has played this year and how likely they were to win. I suspect many of the same will be pointing out how useless the ABs are for not crushing that same team that was likely to beat us.
- We won. Deservedly. But by no means convincingly. I'd normally channel Steve Hansen and flush the dunny, but there's plenty to focus on from that game that needs fixing.
May go back and read the thread now. Might not.
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@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
Has a big head for a small bloke.
@pakman said in Japan v All Blacks:
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
Has a big head for a small bloke.
If he's 99kgs he must be storing some of Dame Val's shotputs in there!
People need to stop quoting internet weights, which have been repeatedly shown to be highly unreliable* and use their eyes. Sevu - short, and relative to other ABs, pretty slight. Low-90kgs at best. About the same weight as Beaudy, possibly not quite as much.
99kgs will be about Will Jordan and if anyone thinks Sevu is as big as Will, they need to get their telly fixed or go to bed wearing gumboots on their hands.
- Highly unreliable internet weights - here's the official ABs site saying Sevu is 87kgs. I reckon he's probably a few kgs more than that. http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/profile.asp?ABID=1182
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Two other points further to the above ...
- The work experience kid from Georgia has potential, but he's not up to Test level yet, and we shouldn't have to suffer through his on the job training. Not complaining mind you as we got away with all sorts in the breakdown.
- Difficult to complain about BBBR's red. Personally I thought red was a bit much, maybe mitigation due to height, point of first impact, and the "low level of danger" clause cited by the women's RWC refs, but that arm tuck...
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https://www.mako.nz/sevu-reece
https://www.mako.nz/will-jordan
Reece is 5kg heavier than Jordan (despite being 9cm taller)
He is so much bulkier than Jordan who's as skinny as B.Barrett, do the eye-test, Jordan is lanky af.
Who would you rather tackle coming at you full-tilt while defending a narrow channel on the wing?
A low centre of gravity ball of muscle with the same dimensions as Laumape, in-built Polynesian explosiveness - Fast twitch muscle fibres, particularly type iib. (Polynesians have the highest proportion of fast twitch muscle fibres of any other ethnic group) and incredible core strength? or a lanky skinny fullback. Jordan is not a test winger, he's solely a fullback, he desperately lacks physicality which is absolutely critical at test-level.
