Japan v All Blacks
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@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
I didn’t realise Reece was only 25 aswell. He’s still got a few years in him yet.
@Canes4life said in Japan v All Blacks:
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
I didn’t realise Reece was only 25 aswell. He’s still got a few years in him yet.
Wing? Two, max. It is the way
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@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
Has a big head for a small bloke.
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Have avoided the thread as I'm pretty sure what is being said. But I'll throw my tuppence out there four days later. So late it's probably no longer relevant or of any interest, but anyways ... in no particular order...
- Kind of echoed the ABs season to date as a whole. Just when you thought they were well on top they slipped up.
- On the whole ABs deserved the win.
- The defence just before halftime was the biggest issue for me. That was not excusable. It meant that the underdogs found belief. Add in a lucky try and what should have been comfortable gets tricky.
- Hugely surprised that our forwards could not establish dominance. That Japan achieved parity kept our attack at bay.
- Impressed with Warner Dearns. (Which leads me to a side issue that is better explored in another thread re eligibility.)
- Impressed with our offload game when we got it going.
- Pass from Mo to RTS was fine. I called it forward on first view, but replays showed it clearly back out of the hand.
- Which leads me to commentators:
a. Mrs Boo asked during the game "Why did Marshall ever bother playing for the All Blacks if he hates them so much?"
b. I kinda understand why Auckland/Blues fans don't like TJ as his cheerleading for Japan got on my wick. - I thought RTS was excellent
- Further to point 4 above, I felt we were too eager to kick the ball away after not many phases. Kinda wondered if it was deliberate to test our defense. Well it worked... it was tested ... and found wanting.
- There were a number of people pointing out how well Japan has played this year and how likely they were to win. I suspect many of the same will be pointing out how useless the ABs are for not crushing that same team that was likely to beat us.
- We won. Deservedly. But by no means convincingly. I'd normally channel Steve Hansen and flush the dunny, but there's plenty to focus on from that game that needs fixing.
May go back and read the thread now. Might not.
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@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
Has a big head for a small bloke.
@pakman said in Japan v All Blacks:
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
Has a big head for a small bloke.
If he's 99kgs he must be storing some of Dame Val's shotputs in there!
People need to stop quoting internet weights, which have been repeatedly shown to be highly unreliable* and use their eyes. Sevu - short, and relative to other ABs, pretty slight. Low-90kgs at best. About the same weight as Beaudy, possibly not quite as much.
99kgs will be about Will Jordan and if anyone thinks Sevu is as big as Will, they need to get their telly fixed or go to bed wearing gumboots on their hands.
- Highly unreliable internet weights - here's the official ABs site saying Sevu is 87kgs. I reckon he's probably a few kgs more than that. http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/profile.asp?ABID=1182
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Two other points further to the above ...
- The work experience kid from Georgia has potential, but he's not up to Test level yet, and we shouldn't have to suffer through his on the job training. Not complaining mind you as we got away with all sorts in the breakdown.
- Difficult to complain about BBBR's red. Personally I thought red was a bit much, maybe mitigation due to height, point of first impact, and the "low level of danger" clause cited by the women's RWC refs, but that arm tuck...
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https://www.mako.nz/sevu-reece
https://www.mako.nz/will-jordan
Reece is 5kg heavier than Jordan (despite being 9cm taller)
He is so much bulkier than Jordan who's as skinny as B.Barrett, do the eye-test, Jordan is lanky af.
Who would you rather tackle coming at you full-tilt while defending a narrow channel on the wing?
A low centre of gravity ball of muscle with the same dimensions as Laumape, in-built Polynesian explosiveness - Fast twitch muscle fibres, particularly type iib. (Polynesians have the highest proportion of fast twitch muscle fibres of any other ethnic group) and incredible core strength? or a lanky skinny fullback. Jordan is not a test winger, he's solely a fullback, he desperately lacks physicality which is absolutely critical at test-level.
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https://www.mako.nz/sevu-reece
https://www.mako.nz/will-jordan
Reece is 5kg heavier than Jordan (despite being 9cm taller)
He is so much bulkier than Jordan who's as skinny as B.Barrett, do the eye-test, Jordan is lanky af.
Who would you rather tackle coming at you full-tilt while defending a narrow channel on the wing?
A low centre of gravity ball of muscle with the same dimensions as Laumape, in-built Polynesian explosiveness - Fast twitch muscle fibres, particularly type iib. (Polynesians have the highest proportion of fast twitch muscle fibres of any other ethnic group) and incredible core strength? or a lanky skinny fullback. Jordan is not a test winger, he's solely a fullback, he desperately lacks physicality which is absolutely critical at test-level.
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
A low centre of gravity ball of muscle with the same dimensions as Laumape
Reece must have some kind of instant photo shop going as that does not describe what I see at all
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He doesn't have anywhere near the power Laumape possesed, that's just fanciful thinking. He's quick on his feet which allows him to get on the outside shoulder of the defender. I don't think I recall him ever going right over the top of anyone.
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In fact the main reason Clarke is ahead of him on the left is his power game.
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https://www.mako.nz/sevu-reece
https://www.mako.nz/will-jordan
Reece is 5kg heavier than Jordan (despite being 9cm taller)
He is so much bulkier than Jordan who's as skinny as B.Barrett, do the eye-test, Jordan is lanky af.
Who would you rather tackle coming at you full-tilt while defending a narrow channel on the wing?
A low centre of gravity ball of muscle with the same dimensions as Laumape, in-built Polynesian explosiveness - Fast twitch muscle fibres, particularly type iib. (Polynesians have the highest proportion of fast twitch muscle fibres of any other ethnic group) and incredible core strength? or a lanky skinny fullback. Jordan is not a test winger, he's solely a fullback, he desperately lacks physicality which is absolutely critical at test-level.
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
https://www.mako.nz/sevu-reece
https://www.mako.nz/will-jordan
Reece is 5kg heavier than Jordan (despite being 9cm taller)
He is so much bulkier than Jordan who's as skinny as B.Barrett, do the eye-test, Jordan is lanky af.
Who would you rather tackle coming at you full-tilt while defending a narrow channel on the wing?
A low centre of gravity ball of muscle with the same dimensions as Laumape, in-built Polynesian explosiveness - Fast twitch muscle fibres, particularly type iib. (Polynesians have the highest proportion of fast twitch muscle fibres of any other ethnic group) and incredible core strength? or a lanky skinny fullback. Jordan is not a test winger, he's solely a fullback, he desperately lacks physicality which is absolutely critical at test-level.
If you don't write surveys for the government already, maybe you should. That question was asked in a way to elicite only one answer.
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@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
Has a big head for a small bloke.
@pakman said in Japan v All Blacks:
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
Has a big head for a small bloke.
Be thankful he never played when Zinzan Brooke and Melon Finegan were running round. The earths gravitational pull would be fucked.
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A few remarks after a second viewing :
The AB forwards were very poor at the breakdown. The loose forwards did not compete in the rucks, letting the Japanese get quick ball.
The problems at the LO came from a bad coordination between the thrower (Taukei'aho), the jumper (Vaai'i) and his lifters. The quality of the throwing looked OK to me.
Defense is a worry. The Japanese missed a few important tackles because some of their players are not up to it, but their general organization in that respect was excellent. Mitchell is a very good defense coach (as he showed for England), better than McLeod IMO.
Scrum was very good but it was only Japan. The problem is that both starting props bring nothing in the loose but this is not new.
Ennor did better than what transpired through the Ferners comments. He was not bad but he clearly came second best behind Riley.
RTS did not make a single error. His passing was good. But is he a second five ? He does not seem to know when and how to kick.
Kicking was dreadful. Christie and Mo'unga had a mare in that respect. The latter was standing flat and static, which is surprising against a rush defense. His kicking from the tee was perfect though.
Perofeta did well when he was used as the first receiver. He is certainly a better 1st Five than full back. I would not blame him too severely for his blunders as he had very few minutes on the paddock for months. -
@pakman said in Japan v All Blacks:
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
Has a big head for a small bloke.
If he's 99kgs he must be storing some of Dame Val's shotputs in there!
People need to stop quoting internet weights, which have been repeatedly shown to be highly unreliable* and use their eyes. Sevu - short, and relative to other ABs, pretty slight. Low-90kgs at best. About the same weight as Beaudy, possibly not quite as much.
99kgs will be about Will Jordan and if anyone thinks Sevu is as big as Will, they need to get their telly fixed or go to bed wearing gumboots on their hands.
- Highly unreliable internet weights - here's the official ABs site saying Sevu is 87kgs. I reckon he's probably a few kgs more than that. http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/profile.asp?ABID=1182
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@pakman said in Japan v All Blacks:
@kiwi_expat said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Japan v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Japan v All Blacks:
@Steve said in Japan v All Blacks:
With Will Jordan still out , I fear we will lose Jordie from the 12 shirt, and he is exactly what we need up north on attack and defence.
Play BB at 15 and bring Reece in for WJ
Smith, Mo'unga, Reece, BBarrett - pretty small ball backline!
They were all in the backline that knocked the Irish out of last World Cup? Smith scored twice, and Beady scored no?
Yeah - but, nek minnit....
And frankly, that was my main take-away from that next game. Too many little backs.
Reece isn't little, he's 178cm but weighs around 99kg, he carries a shitload of muscle.
Beauden is 187cm & 92kg in comparison.
Has a big head for a small bloke.
If he's 99kgs he must be storing some of Dame Val's shotputs in there!
People need to stop quoting internet weights, which have been repeatedly shown to be highly unreliable* and use their eyes. Sevu - short, and relative to other ABs, pretty slight. Low-90kgs at best. About the same weight as Beaudy, possibly not quite as much.
99kgs will be about Will Jordan and if anyone thinks Sevu is as big as Will, they need to get their telly fixed or go to bed wearing gumboots on their hands.
- Highly unreliable internet weights - here's the official ABs site saying Sevu is 87kgs. I reckon he's probably a few kgs more than that. http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/profile.asp?ABID=1182
I don't think the AB site updates so apart from heights I think they are usually stuck on younger player-stage weights.
Sevu is stocky. And he really does have a big head! How was he at fullback for the Mako in August? -
A few remarks after a second viewing :
The AB forwards were very poor at the breakdown. The loose forwards did not compete in the rucks, letting the Japanese get quick ball.
The problems at the LO came from a bad coordination between the thrower (Taukei'aho), the jumper (Vaai'i) and his lifters. The quality of the throwing looked OK to me.
Defense is a worry. The Japanese missed a few important tackles because some of their players are not up to it, but their general organization in that respect was excellent. Mitchell is a very good defense coach (as he showed for England), better than McLeod IMO.
Scrum was very good but it was only Japan. The problem is that both starting props bring nothing in the loose but this is not new.
Ennor did better than what transpired through the Ferners comments. He was not bad but he clearly came second best behind Riley.
RTS did not make a single error. His passing was good. But is he a second five ? He does not seem to know when and how to kick.
Kicking was dreadful. Christie and Mo'unga had a mare in that respect. The latter was standing flat and static, which is surprising against a rush defense. His kicking from the tee was perfect though.
Perofeta did well when he was used as the first receiver. He is certainly a better 1st Five than full back. I would not blame him too severely for his blunders as he had very few minutes on the paddock for months.@cgrant said in Japan v All Blacks:
A few remarks after a second viewing :
The AB forwards were very poor at the breakdown. The loose forwards did not compete in the rucks, letting the Japanese get quick ball.
The problems at the LO came from a bad coordination between the thrower (Taukei'aho), the jumper (Vaai'i) and his lifters. The quality of the throwing looked OK to me.
Defense is a worry. The Japanese missed a few important tackles because some of their players are not up to it, but their general organization in that respect was excellent. Mitchell is a very good defense coach (as he showed for England), better than McLeod IMO.
Scrum was very good but it was only Japan. The problem is that both starting props bring nothing in the loose but this is not new.
Ennor did better than what transpired through the Ferners comments. He was not bad but he clearly came second best behind Riley.
RTS did not make a single error. His passing was good. But is he a second five ? He does not seem to know when and how to kick.
Kicking was dreadful. Christie and Mo'unga had a mare in that respect. The latter was standing flat and static, which is surprising against a rush defense. His kicking from the tee was perfect though.
Perofeta did well when he was used as the first receiver. He is certainly a better 1st Five than full back. I would not blame him too severely for his blunders as he had very few minutes on the paddock for months.Thanks for this. Why don't they try Perofeta at 10? We really don't have much depth there.
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@cgrant said in Japan v All Blacks:
A few remarks after a second viewing :
The AB forwards were very poor at the breakdown. The loose forwards did not compete in the rucks, letting the Japanese get quick ball.
The problems at the LO came from a bad coordination between the thrower (Taukei'aho), the jumper (Vaai'i) and his lifters. The quality of the throwing looked OK to me.
Defense is a worry. The Japanese missed a few important tackles because some of their players are not up to it, but their general organization in that respect was excellent. Mitchell is a very good defense coach (as he showed for England), better than McLeod IMO.
Scrum was very good but it was only Japan. The problem is that both starting props bring nothing in the loose but this is not new.
Ennor did better than what transpired through the Ferners comments. He was not bad but he clearly came second best behind Riley.
RTS did not make a single error. His passing was good. But is he a second five ? He does not seem to know when and how to kick.
Kicking was dreadful. Christie and Mo'unga had a mare in that respect. The latter was standing flat and static, which is surprising against a rush defense. His kicking from the tee was perfect though.
Perofeta did well when he was used as the first receiver. He is certainly a better 1st Five than full back. I would not blame him too severely for his blunders as he had very few minutes on the paddock for months.Thanks for this. Why don't they try Perofeta at 10? We really don't have much depth there.
@nostrildamus think mate Mounga doesn't go that well with an inside centre type player as much as a 2nd 5/8, someone who plays first receiver a bit and allows him to take the ball a little wider. With the Crusaders off set play especially early in game, Havili often takes the ball off set play. Not a criticism of Mounga, but just something I have seen.
