All Blacks v England
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Jesus the criticism of the DG is a bit over the top, that got us a 19 point lead with 10 minutes to go. That is 100% NOT the reason we lost, it has absolutely nothing to do with it.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
Jesus the criticism of the DG is a bit over the top, that got us a 19 point lead with 10 minutes to go. That is 100% NOT the reason we lost, it has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Seems to be targeting BB rather than the kick itself. I wonder of the criticism would be same if Mo had kicked it?
(I'm not in either Mo or BB camp).
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
Jesus the criticism of the DG is a bit over the top, that got us a 19 point lead with 10 minutes to go. That is 100% NOT the reason we lost, it has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Seems to be targeting BB rather than the kick itself. I wonder of the criticism would be same if Mo had kicked it?
(I'm not in either Mo or BB camp).
@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
Jesus the criticism of the DG is a bit over the top, that got us a 19 point lead with 10 minutes to go. That is 100% NOT the reason we lost, it has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Seems to be targeting BB rather than the kick itself. I wonder of the criticism would be same if Mo had kicked it?
(I'm not in either Mo or BB camp).
Apparently Mo'unga had a MOTM performance and Beauden needs to take a long hard look at himself. I love the provincial bias on here.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Thing that annoyed me most was that up to the 70th minute I was content in knowing we were going to show Twickenham what happens when you disrespect the haka
Tell that to Campese!
Seriously though, I have heard of several ways in which it is respectful to address the Haka and it keeps changing. Is there a definitive response? Is it indeed necessary for this to be "respected" or are some Kiwis just a bit too precious about it?
Do what you like, it's your stadium. I thought it sounded cool having the english crowd singing. Only response I wouldn't like is booing, that would be a bit much.
Yeah I’m the same , don’t see why other countries are supposed to put the haka on a pedestal and just sit there and shut up . I have no problem with them doing their own form of song that gives them a feeling of patriotism while it’s happening like the haka does for us , all adds to the us against them vibe for me
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Thing that annoyed me most was that up to the 70th minute I was content in knowing we were going to show Twickenham what happens when you disrespect the haka
Tell that to Campese!
Seriously though, I have heard of several ways in which it is respectful to address the Haka and it keeps changing. Is there a definitive response? Is it indeed necessary for this to be "respected" or are some Kiwis just a bit too precious about it?
Do what you like, it's your stadium. I thought it sounded cool having the english crowd singing. Only response I wouldn't like is booing, that would be a bit much.
Yeah I’m the same , don’t see why other countries are supposed to put the haka on a pedestal and just sit there and shut up . I have no problem with them doing their own form of song that gives them a feeling of patriotism while it’s happening like the haka does for us , all adds to the us against them vibe for me
Agree. I guess it comes down to intent (or the perception of). If being done as a response that is cool but if being done as a boorish way to try and drown out the visitors that's, well, boorish.
It can become booing disguised as patriotism.I still dont get the Swing Low thing though. Origins of a rugger club singalong with 'risque' actions that is somehow encouraged to be the national song? At least the Scots, Welsh and Irish can all claim some sort of significance in their stadium song.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v England:
Why for the love of god would you attempt a dinky little kick in behind the English defence, just outside our 22, when we've only got three fucking defenders covering more than half the pitch?
Apparently Ardie called TJ to kick it there , and then stuffed up the chase , got himself in front and had to back off
The Canes fucked us. Typical.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v England:
Why for the love of god would you attempt a dinky little kick in behind the English defence, just outside our 22, when we've only got three fucking defenders covering more than half the pitch?
Apparently Ardie called TJ to kick it there , and then stuffed up the chase , got himself in front and had to back off
The Canes fucked us. Typical.
And BB - once a Cane always a Cane
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If you want a back in NZ that can control field position with his boot and kick wipers kicks then Zarn Sullivan is your man.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v England:
If you want a back in NZ that can control field position with his boot and kick wipers kicks then Zarn Sullivan is your man.
I have no doubt that he'll get there. After the 2023 RWC. Needs time in that 10 jersey first.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Thing that annoyed me most was that up to the 70th minute I was content in knowing we were going to show Twickenham what happens when you disrespect the haka
Tell that to Campese!
Seriously though, I have heard of several ways in which it is respectful to address the Haka and it keeps changing. Is there a definitive response? Is it indeed necessary for this to be "respected" or are some Kiwis just a bit too precious about it?
Do what you like, it's your stadium. I thought it sounded cool having the english crowd singing. Only response I wouldn't like is booing, that would be a bit much.
Yeah I’m the same , don’t see why other countries are supposed to put the haka on a pedestal and just sit there and shut up . I have no problem with them doing their own form of song that gives them a feeling of patriotism while it’s happening like the haka does for us , all adds to the us against them vibe for me
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Thing that annoyed me most was that up to the 70th minute I was content in knowing we were going to show Twickenham what happens when you disrespect the haka
Tell that to Campese!
Seriously though, I have heard of several ways in which it is respectful to address the Haka and it keeps changing. Is there a definitive response? Is it indeed necessary for this to be "respected" or are some Kiwis just a bit too precious about it?
Do what you like, it's your stadium. I thought it sounded cool having the english crowd singing. Only response I wouldn't like is booing, that would be a bit much.
Yeah I’m the same , don’t see why other countries are supposed to put the haka on a pedestal and just sit there and shut up . I have no problem with them doing their own form of song that gives them a feeling of patriotism while it’s happening like the haka does for us , all adds to the us against them vibe for me
I don't care what they do during the haka, but I wish they wouldn't be so hypocritical about it. Boo, sing and shout during the haka, then sit and watch nicely when the PIs do their (less historically relevant) versions.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
It was a fitting end to a disappointing season, prob the worst I can remember for a long time. A 6-4-1 record is abysmal for the AB’s considering we’re up at around 80% in the professional era.??? I thought All Blacks won 8 matches this year? Which are you not counting?
My bad, just checked and it's 8-1-4. Marginally better but still a disappointing season.
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
It was a fitting end to a disappointing season, prob the worst I can remember for a long time. A 6-4-1 record is abysmal for the AB’s considering we’re up at around 80% in the professional era.??? I thought All Blacks won 8 matches this year? Which are you not counting?
My bad, just checked and it's 8-1-4. Marginally better but still a disappointing season.
On the plus side, we beat everyone we played, except England and we didn't lose to them.
Ireland sort of feel like they might have our number and will be tough - but, they've got to worry about getting past their QF hoodoo!
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Thing that annoyed me most was that up to the 70th minute I was content in knowing we were going to show Twickenham what happens when you disrespect the haka
Tell that to Campese!
Seriously though, I have heard of several ways in which it is respectful to address the Haka and it keeps changing. Is there a definitive response? Is it indeed necessary for this to be "respected" or are some Kiwis just a bit too precious about it?
Do what you like, it's your stadium. I thought it sounded cool having the english crowd singing. Only response I wouldn't like is booing, that would be a bit much.
Yeah I’m the same , don’t see why other countries are supposed to put the haka on a pedestal and just sit there and shut up . I have no problem with them doing their own form of song that gives them a feeling of patriotism while it’s happening like the haka does for us , all adds to the us against them vibe for me
I don't care what they do during the haka, but I wish they wouldn't be so hypocritical about it. Boo, sing and shout during the haka, then sit and watch nicely when the PIs do their (less historically relevant) versions.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Thing that annoyed me most was that up to the 70th minute I was content in knowing we were going to show Twickenham what happens when you disrespect the haka
Tell that to Campese!
Seriously though, I have heard of several ways in which it is respectful to address the Haka and it keeps changing. Is there a definitive response? Is it indeed necessary for this to be "respected" or are some Kiwis just a bit too precious about it?
Do what you like, it's your stadium. I thought it sounded cool having the english crowd singing. Only response I wouldn't like is booing, that would be a bit much.
Yeah I’m the same , don’t see why other countries are supposed to put the haka on a pedestal and just sit there and shut up . I have no problem with them doing their own form of song that gives them a feeling of patriotism while it’s happening like the haka does for us , all adds to the us against them vibe for me
I don't care what they do during the haka, but I wish they wouldn't be so hypocritical about it. Boo, sing and shout during the haka, then sit and watch nicely when the PIs do their (less historically relevant) versions.
They aren't afraid of their Aura
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The game sort of sums up this team really, patches of playing well and good build up splendidly undone being utterly incompetent.
It's quite baffling how a team can be so inconsistent week to week and even within a game itself.
Yes there's the normal ebb and flow of dominance within a game but then there's just losing your head when the pressure gets put on (the exception being the last gasp win against Aussie to be fair). But more often than not it's the latter.
Supporting the AB's this year has really been like trying to date someone who's bi-polar.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks v England:
The game sort of sums up this team really, patches of playing well and good build up splendidly undone being utterly incompetent.
It's quite baffling how a team can be so inconsistent week to week and even within a game itself.
Yes there's the normal ebb and flow of dominance within a game but then there's just losing your head when the pressure gets put on (the exception being the last gasp win against Aussie to be fair). But more often than not it's the latter.
Supporting the AB's this year has really been like trying to date someone who's bi-polar.
This game actually had massive Wallabies in Melbourne vibes with the way we were in total control for most of the match, got out to a good lead, relaxed too much and then got run down. The only difference between the two matches was that one in Melbourne had a random frog reffing... oh wait.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks v England:
The game sort of sums up this team really, patches of playing well and good build up splendidly undone being utterly incompetent.
It's quite baffling how a team can be so inconsistent week to week and even within a game itself.
Yes there's the normal ebb and flow of dominance within a game but then there's just losing your head when the pressure gets put on (the exception being the last gasp win against Aussie to be fair). But more often than not it's the latter.
Supporting the AB's this year has really been like trying to date someone who's bi-polar.
This game actually had massive Wallabies in Melbourne vibes with the way we were in total control for most of the match, got out to a good lead, relaxed too much and then got run down. The only difference between the two matches was that one in Melbourne had a random frog reffing... oh wait.
@junior said in All Blacks v England:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks v England:
The game sort of sums up this team really, patches of playing well and good build up splendidly undone being utterly incompetent.
It's quite baffling how a team can be so inconsistent week to week and even within a game itself.
Yes there's the normal ebb and flow of dominance within a game but then there's just losing your head when the pressure gets put on (the exception being the last gasp win against Aussie to be fair). But more often than not it's the latter.
Supporting the AB's this year has really been like trying to date someone who's bi-polar.
This game actually had massive Wallabies in Melbourne vibes with the way we were in total control for most of the match, got out to a good lead, relaxed too much and then got run down. The only difference between the two matches was that one in Melbourne had a random frog reffing... oh wait.
2007 me would punch 2022 me in the face for wishing we could be reffed by Wayne Barnes for every AB game. Thinking it would almost make me vomit in my mouth
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England probably only started moving the ball wide because we were a man down , I wonder if they are thinking, why didn’t we try that earlier ?
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
England probably only started moving the ball wide because we were a man down , I wonder if they are thinking, why didn’t we try that earlier ?
Coincidental I reckon. It’s been a general thing that when England are plying poorly and all is lost, they start playing some rugby when it is too late, leaving everyone scratching their heads asking why they didn’t do that before.
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I could wax lyrical for hours about the Twickenham hospitality experience. It genuinely is one of, if not the, best experiences of my entire privileged life. Most of the people who work there are ex-BA first / business cabin crew so they absolutely know how to offer the best service. Completely unobtrusive but always there when you need them and up for a bit of a banter if you want it.
Turns out our lunch was prepared by Tom Kerridge too, who I got to meet and have a chat with. Absolutely sterling bloke too, which was nice. He's indirectly been a massive part of my life since we moved here, so was so good to learn that he's an awesome fella. A fucking monster too.
All in all, absolutely superb day, top notch.
Was there a rugby match on?
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Would love to see Stevenson and Zarn in the AB mix somewhere. Having watched Stevenson in the ABs Xv he needs to fix defensive issues and concentration lapses first. That said he is a weapon and adangerous with ball in hand. Have watched Zarn a handful of times and each time he has been impressive.
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Ok, of course there was a rugby match on. Thoughts from the game
- Rugby as a live spectator sport is a bit fucked. Although it was good to see some moments of magic (The pass to Ioane for his try was not too far in front of us), you really spend most of the match not knowing what you are watching. Game is full of technical infringements that you can barely tell on TV ... how can you tell at the ground?
- Twickenham experience not changed much. You need to be sitting around the rugby clubs for banter, and try and avoid the old farts who are just horrible.
- I was giving it a bit large to my buddies at one point, and my buddy called me, in jest, a kiwi piston wristed gibbon ... about 5 people told him his language was unacceptable. Odd.
- Lots of people have ref link now to hear the ref. Whats the point in going to live game to listen to an ear piece?
- God Save the King was spine tingling.
- Still don't get swing low, but then I guess I'm not really supposed to ...
- The England comeback was awesome. Stadium went completely fucking mental. You could see we had no leadership and simply couldn't contain it. Needed to make some pretty boring decisions to quieten the crowd down & close it out. We didn't.
- Took a piss beside Lewis Moody. Eyes stared straight in front.
All in all we completely owned them for 70 minutes, then they destroyed us for 10. We've done that to so many teams (especially SA) over the last few years, so I guess a bit of comeuppance.
Still, at around 5pm, our lovely Scottish hostess came round with a paper and pen and asked what drinks we'd like at our table for half time and full time. So that was neat & that is my over arching memory of the day.
One of the greats.
EDIT! How could I forget this one
- Smith kicking the ball out is one of the lamest things I've ever seen. So glad he got boo'd for it.
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Ok, of course there was a rugby match on. Thoughts from the game
- Rugby as a live spectator sport is a bit fucked. Although it was good to see some moments of magic (The pass to Ioane for his try was not too far in front of us), you really spend most of the match not knowing what you are watching. Game is full of technical infringements that you can barely tell on TV ... how can you tell at the ground?
- Twickenham experience not changed much. You need to be sitting around the rugby clubs for banter, and try and avoid the old farts who are just horrible.
- I was giving it a bit large to my buddies at one point, and my buddy called me, in jest, a kiwi piston wristed gibbon ... about 5 people told him his language was unacceptable. Odd.
- Lots of people have ref link now to hear the ref. Whats the point in going to live game to listen to an ear piece?
- God Save the King was spine tingling.
- Still don't get swing low, but then I guess I'm not really supposed to ...
- The England comeback was awesome. Stadium went completely fucking mental. You could see we had no leadership and simply couldn't contain it. Needed to make some pretty boring decisions to quieten the crowd down & close it out. We didn't.
- Took a piss beside Lewis Moody. Eyes stared straight in front.
All in all we completely owned them for 70 minutes, then they destroyed us for 10. We've done that to so many teams (especially SA) over the last few years, so I guess a bit of comeuppance.
Still, at around 5pm, our lovely Scottish hostess came round with a paper and pen and asked what drinks we'd like at our table for half time and full time. So that was neat & that is my over arching memory of the day.
One of the greats.
EDIT! How could I forget this one
- Smith kicking the ball out is one of the lamest things I've ever seen. So glad he got boo'd for it.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v England:
Eyes started straight in front.
The suspense is killing me
"...and as the streams met, so did their eyes..."
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@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v England:
Eyes started straight in front.
The suspense is killing me
"...and as the streams met, so did their eyes..."
@Canerbry said in All Blacks v England:
@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v England:
Eyes started straight in front.
The suspense is killing me
"...and as the streams met, so did their eyes..."
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
It was a fitting end to a disappointing season, prob the worst I can remember for a long time. A 6-4-1 record is abysmal for the AB’s considering we’re up at around 80% in the professional era.??? I thought All Blacks won 8 matches this year? Which are you not counting?
My bad, just checked and it's 8-1-4. Marginally better but still a disappointing season.
On the plus side, we beat everyone we played, except England and we didn't lose to them.
Ireland sort of feel like they might have our number and will be tough - but, they've got to worry about getting past their QF hoodoo!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
It was a fitting end to a disappointing season, prob the worst I can remember for a long time. A 6-4-1 record is abysmal for the AB’s considering we’re up at around 80% in the professional era.??? I thought All Blacks won 8 matches this year? Which are you not counting?
My bad, just checked and it's 8-1-4. Marginally better but still a disappointing season.
On the plus side, we beat everyone we played, except England and we didn't lose to them.
Ireland sort of feel like they might have our number and will be tough - but, they've got to worry about getting past their QF hoodoo!
Some perspective, that is Japan - just, Scotland - just and the team that lost to Georgia.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
It was a fitting end to a disappointing season, prob the worst I can remember for a long time. A 6-4-1 record is abysmal for the AB’s considering we’re up at around 80% in the professional era.??? I thought All Blacks won 8 matches this year? Which are you not counting?
My bad, just checked and it's 8-1-4. Marginally better but still a disappointing season.
On the plus side, we beat everyone we played, except England and we didn't lose to them.
Ireland sort of feel like they might have our number and will be tough - but, they've got to worry about getting past their QF hoodoo!
Some perspective, that is Japan - just, Scotland - just and the team that lost to Georgia.
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v England:
It was a fitting end to a disappointing season, prob the worst I can remember for a long time. A 6-4-1 record is abysmal for the AB’s considering we’re up at around 80% in the professional era.??? I thought All Blacks won 8 matches this year? Which are you not counting?
My bad, just checked and it's 8-1-4. Marginally better but still a disappointing season.
On the plus side, we beat everyone we played, except England and we didn't lose to them.
Ireland sort of feel like they might have our number and will be tough - but, they've got to worry about getting past their QF hoodoo!
Some perspective, that is Japan - just, Scotland - just and the team that lost to Georgia.
Ireland, SA, England, Argentina too …
