NZ v Pakistan 2022/23
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The nature of this pitch is a disgrace. The Pakistan bowler is bowling at 147kmh and the ball’s hardly bouncing above the stumps.
The fact they are playing on the same pitch as the last test is a shocker.
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The nature of this pitch is a disgrace. The Pakistan bowler is bowling at 147kmh and the ball’s hardly bouncing above the stumps.
The fact they are playing on the same pitch as the last test is a shocker.
@Canes4life as in, they haven't rolled in another pitch that wasn't played on?
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The nature of this pitch is a disgrace. The Pakistan bowler is bowling at 147kmh and the ball’s hardly bouncing above the stumps.
The fact they are playing on the same pitch as the last test is a shocker.
@Canes4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
The nature of this pitch is a disgrace. The Pakistan bowler is bowling at 147kmh and the ball’s hardly bouncing above the stumps.
The fact they are playing on the same pitch as the last test is a shocker.
Pitch gripes can always be countered with the fact that both teams have to play on it.
I still think we would have won if we played better ( that’s some deep philosophising for a Tuesday morning )
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Our batting was patchy as. Any little momentum we started to garner was undone by either a poor shot or good bowling that we failed to read.
A few of the Pakistani batters made it look easy.
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Finn Allen goes early doors then Conway/Williamson partnership for 180 odd.
Major Rage turns on the telly and Conway goes after 3 balls. Nice.
Going to stick with it though, as Mitchell in now with Williamson which is a great, exciting partnership if ever there was one.
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Noone watching tonight's game?
Not watching but quick score update...
Just lost Conway (boo) for 101 (yay).
Kane 82 not.
191/2 after 31.4.
@booboo said in NZ v Pakistan:
Noone watching tonight's game?
Not watching but quick score update...
Just lost Conway (boo) for 101 (yay).
Kane 82 not.
191/2 after 31.4.
Scary that nobody posts at all for 2 hours then we post within a minute of each other.
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Blow me down, we got there.
Absolute collapse by NZ after Conway went. Moved from a position of certainty of 300+ to all gone for 261. 180 run partnership, followed by last 8 wickets gone for 80 runs.
Still, Pakistan kept losing wickets in their chase and couldn't keep up with.
1-1 going into the final match. Perfect.
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I am surprised people are surprised at the Black Cap collapse. We are a few good old players away from being quite poor. Apart from Conway and Williamson (and to a lesser extent Latham) none of the other bats can be relied on for consistency.
I have watched a bit of Super Smash recently and the quality of player on display is quite a worry. I suspect we are not far off the dark old days again.
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing.
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I am surprised people are surprised at the Black Cap collapse. We are a few good old players away from being quite poor. Apart from Conway and Williamson (and to a lesser extent Latham) none of the other bats can be relied on for consistency.
I have watched a bit of Super Smash recently and the quality of player on display is quite a worry. I suspect we are not far off the dark old days again.
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing.
@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
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@ARHS said in NZ v Pakistan:
Went to bed at Conway 100. Expected 350 target. What a collapse. Good time to go to bed.
I thought Nawaz bowled brilliantly in the middle overs. Slowed the runs and took wickets. He was getting the ball to move. Kane got done by a pearler. He had Latham all at sea.
SatNav’s batting in the last couple of overs was very good.
I think it was a pretty good score given the bowling. Gave our bowlers something to be confident to defend and bowl aggressively which I thought we did.
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@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
@mariner4life current world test champions. It's a miracle... We are under funded and the sport it's poorly coached compared to overseas
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@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
@mariner4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
We will look back and realise that the Baz/Kane era was a golden generation for NZ cricket that will be very difficult to emulate. If it is repeated it will be in spite of NZC not because of their governance
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I am surprised people are surprised at the Black Cap collapse. We are a few good old players away from being quite poor. Apart from Conway and Williamson (and to a lesser extent Latham) none of the other bats can be relied on for consistency.
I have watched a bit of Super Smash recently and the quality of player on display is quite a worry. I suspect we are not far off the dark old days again.
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing.
@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
I am surprised people are surprised at the Black Cap collapse. We are a few good old players away from being quite poor. Apart from Conway and Williamson (and to a lesser extent Latham) none of the other bats can be relied on for consistency.
I have watched a bit of Super Smash recently and the quality of player on display is quite a worry. I suspect we are not far off the dark old days again.
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing.
Rather unfair to say none of the batters can be relied on for consistency when only WIlliamson and Latham have played more than 20 ODI's.
You do realize we are the number 1 ranked team in ODI's?
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@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
@mariner4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
This a post from 30 years ago. We've had 2 x 150kph bowlers regularly in or around our white ball teams for the last decade (edit: plus another 2 x 140k + guys). They could only muster 1 test between them despite us being a 4-seamer test attack since 2016ish.
Actually, pace is the one bright spot, of the young guys on domestics if they can stay on park. Which, currently, they aren't doing.
Batting is where it is scary.
And poor batting lineups, if it gets as bad as it might - will make our next bowling line ups of that era appear 10 to 20% worse than they are when they have no runs to play with/build pressure. -
@mariner4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
This a post from 30 years ago. We've had 2 x 150kph bowlers regularly in or around our white ball teams for the last decade (edit: plus another 2 x 140k + guys). They could only muster 1 test between them despite us being a 4-seamer test attack since 2016ish.
Actually, pace is the one bright spot, of the young guys on domestics if they can stay on park. Which, currently, they aren't doing.
Batting is where it is scary.
And poor batting lineups, if it gets as bad as it might - will make our next bowling line ups of that era appear 10 to 20% worse than they are when they have no runs to play with/build pressure.@Rapido said in NZ v Pakistan:
@mariner4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
This a post from 30 years ago. We've had 2 150kph bowlers regularly in or around our white ball teams for the last decade. They could only muster 1 test between them despite us being a 4-seamer test attack since 2016ish.
Actually, pace is the one bright spot, of the young guys on domestics ifthey can stayon park. Which, currently, they aren't doing.
I would be interested to know which young bowlers on the domestic scene are bowling 145 kph plus or at least 140 kph consistently.
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@Rapido said in NZ v Pakistan:
@mariner4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
This a post from 30 years ago. We've had 2 150kph bowlers regularly in or around our white ball teams for the last decade. They could only muster 1 test between them despite us being a 4-seamer test attack since 2016ish.
Actually, pace is the one bright spot, of the young guys on domestics ifthey can stayon park. Which, currently, they aren't doing.
I would be interested to know which young bowlers on the domestic scene are bowling 145 kph plus or at least 140 kph consistently.
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in NZ v Pakistan:
@mariner4life said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in NZ v Pakistan:
One of the online newspapers speculated about a Black Caps under 30 team the other day. God help us if that team ended up playing
And as a contrast, last night a guy made his debut for the Heat. Bowling left arm with a super efficient action and got it up to late-140s with huge bounce off a length. That guy would be in our test team already and he's bowled 3 and a half overs of Big Bash cricket at 27 years old. NZ is a cricketing backwater with dog bowl depth and it is astounding we have had any success
This a post from 30 years ago. We've had 2 150kph bowlers regularly in or around our white ball teams for the last decade. They could only muster 1 test between them despite us being a 4-seamer test attack since 2016ish.
Actually, pace is the one bright spot, of the young guys on domestics ifthey can stayon park. Which, currently, they aren't doing.
I would be interested to know which young bowlers on the domestic scene are bowling 145 kph plus or at least 140 kph consistently.
Sears, Fisher, O'Rourke. (Edit: although I've not seen O'Rourke bowl in a game with a speed gun, and Fisher not with a speed gun since U19 when he wasn't yet 140+) I'd eye-judge them as being more 140+ rather than 145 consistently
