Wellington Lions 2023
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How completely thick of Wellington rugby to name this accused three days after this incident took place. Incident took place on 18 June. Police press release says man charged on 19 June. On 20 June the accused was named in wider Wellington squad. Shit me. His name has now been removed from the squad on the Wellington website. But, material at the time is still there. What the heck were they thinking.
I know @Canes4life you think I unfairly pick on Wellington. But, come on. This is just shithouse.
I hope someone goes after Wellington Rugby for this.
@SouthernMann I would assume they were not aware? Just because he was charged on the 19th doesn't mean anyone would have disclosed it to the union unless someone was actively checking.
I doubt whoever is naming the squad is checking police reports.
And given next to no journalistic interest in NPC these days, no third party would have checked either.
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@SouthernMann I would assume they were not aware? Just because he was charged on the 19th doesn't mean anyone would have disclosed it to the union unless someone was actively checking.
I doubt whoever is naming the squad is checking police reports.
And given next to no journalistic interest in NPC these days, no third party would have checked either.
@foobaNZ he’s not even a top Wellington player aswell. I assumed he was announced in the Lions squad going from @SouthernMann’s post but he was announced in a wider development squad.
Obviously he should be charged accordingly but I don’t think there needs to be an uproar against Wellington, it’s not like he’s on a contract or anything.
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@foobaNZ he’s not even a top Wellington player aswell. I assumed he was announced in the Lions squad going from @SouthernMann’s post but he was announced in a wider development squad.
Obviously he should be charged accordingly but I don’t think there needs to be an uproar against Wellington, it’s not like he’s on a contract or anything.
@Canes4life yea, to me it would be a stretch to think Wellington were even aware.
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What it shows is poor process. If you are naming a squad, or an announcement with potential public profile. Check, check and check again for issues which may cause problems. Fully understanding this happened over a weekend, and the announcement on Monday. You do a quick ring around, are there any issues which we need to be aware of. From a reputational management perspective, Wellington is just lucky this happens in a time no one gives a toss about the NPC.
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What it shows is poor process. If you are naming a squad, or an announcement with potential public profile. Check, check and check again for issues which may cause problems. Fully understanding this happened over a weekend, and the announcement on Monday. You do a quick ring around, are there any issues which we need to be aware of. From a reputational management perspective, Wellington is just lucky this happens in a time no one gives a toss about the NPC.
@SouthernMann it’s got nothing to do with the NPC because its not an NPC squad. Tuitama is just a club player so this should really have nothing to do with the Lions. I’d agree if it was the naming of Wellington’s NPC squad but it’s not. Move on, just the media trying to make something out of nothing.
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Timeline
Incident: 18 June.
Naming of the Wellington wider training squad, which included this player: 20 June.
Naming of the Wellington team for the first RS match, which did NOT include this player: 11 July.
Naming of the Wellington team for the second RS match, which did NOT include this player: 18 July.
Naming of the Wellington NPC squad, which did NOT include this player: 31 July.
@SouthernMann , I think you're overreacting. There's no way the Wellington RU can be blamed for anything wrong.
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He was named in a Wellington squad to defend the Ranfurly Shield, which would have been first class fixtures.
@SouthernMann that isn’t the Lions squad. That’s a wider squad made up of club players. Nothing to do with the NPC. You’re making this sound way bigger than it is.
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@SouthernMann that isn’t the Lions squad. That’s a wider squad made up of club players. Nothing to do with the NPC. You’re making this sound way bigger than it is.
@Canes4life TBF, this is what the media grabbed, people who dont follow rugby will still grab the main point that he was named after the event, regardless of the actual timeline...
Rep Rugby player will get more clicks than random fulla
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What it shows is poor process. If you are naming a squad, or an announcement with potential public profile. Check, check and check again for issues which may cause problems. Fully understanding this happened over a weekend, and the announcement on Monday. You do a quick ring around, are there any issues which we need to be aware of. From a reputational management perspective, Wellington is just lucky this happens in a time no one gives a toss about the NPC.
@SouthernMann outrage should be with the bloke for his coward act, not the union.
Unless the player disclosed it, I think it's pretty unrealistic to think whoever names the squad needs to call up the police and check if anyone named did anything wrong before they publish it.
Maybe they will now, but I doubt anyone has thought of this scenario before.
If they knew, and named him, well then that's a different story.
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@SouthernMann outrage should be with the bloke for his coward act, not the union.
Unless the player disclosed it, I think it's pretty unrealistic to think whoever names the squad needs to call up the police and check if anyone named did anything wrong before they publish it.
Maybe they will now, but I doubt anyone has thought of this scenario before.
If they knew, and named him, well then that's a different story.
@foobaNZ said in Wellington Lions 2023:
If they knew, and named him, well then that's a different story.
this bit here is exactly the point. What is the timeline.
The incident has nothing to do with WRFU. Being transparent with the timeline, would be smart in front footing it.
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@foobaNZ said in Wellington Lions 2023:
If they knew, and named him, well then that's a different story.
this bit here is exactly the point. What is the timeline.
The incident has nothing to do with WRFU. Being transparent with the timeline, would be smart in front footing it.
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@SouthernMann Stargazer posted one above.
That would suggest that they were unaware on the 20th, but once they were presumably privy to what was happening, he wasn't picked.
@foobaNZ said in Wellington Lions 2023:
That would suggest that they were unaware on the 20th, but once they were presumably privy to what was happening, he wasn't picked.
that isn't the timeline of their awareness. That is the timeline of events.
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@foobaNZ said in Wellington Lions 2023:
That would suggest that they were unaware on the 20th, but once they were presumably privy to what was happening, he wasn't picked.
that isn't the timeline of their awareness. That is the timeline of events.
From what you've said:
- Incident took place on 18 June.
- Police press release says man charged on 19 June.
- On 20 June he's named in a team.
So your issue is no one checked on the 20th prior to the team naming any police reports in case one of the players had charges against him?
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Yes.
- When did Wellington rugby learn of the incident and charges.
- When was he formally removed from that playing group
- As court proceedings are ongoing, are there currently any sanctions in place against this player? Is he for example able to be selected for Wellington B while on bail.
The onus is on the player to supply this information. Name suppression has only just lapsed. However, if I was managing this situation for Wellington Rugby, I'd be very conscious of having these sort of details ironed out and confirmed.
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Looks like a few players might be returning soon.
Savea, Aumua and Delany are back training.
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Be good to have Aumua back but it's been really pleasing to see our depth has coped well this year.
5 (I hope) huge weeks coming up.
2 Shield defences, then a quarter, potential semi and potential final is a tough ask. 5 do or die games in a row.
@foobaNZ yeah that's why it will be nice to get a few players back.
We've suffered a few injuries recently with the likes of Southall, Preston and a few more going down. When you take into consideration who else is currently unavailable it would be nice to get a few back for the two defenses and the playoff run.
I'm taking from the video above that players with bibs on are involved this week so the Bus will be involved in some capacity.
