Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!
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@Chris said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unfortunately will Rennie have to rebuild his reputation again?
dunno, I reckon he has done enough in NZ rugby to serve him well, and from an outside perspective, you can see he has made improvements although Aus Rugby and he werent without thier issues.
NZR seem to love that International experience....
Yep taniwhai, but Deans seemed to of never really got another gig, and his rep was probably even higher than Rennies?
He's doing very nicely for himself in Japan without the stresses of test rugby.
Yep coaching at a level he is very good at.
He hasn't been that bad as an International coach of the last 6 Wallaby coaches over the last 21 years he has the 2nd best winning percentage behind John Connolly who only coached for 25 tests compared to Deans 75 tests and has a better winning percentage than Eddie Jones,Ewen McKenzie,Michael Cheika and Dave Rennie
Winning %11 Eddie Jones 2001–2005 57 33 2 1 57.89 %
12 John Connolly 2006–2007 25 16 8 1 64.00%
13 Robbie Deans 2008–2013 75 44 29 2 58.67%
14 Ewen McKenzie 2013–2014 22 11 10 1 50.00%
15 Michael Cheika 2014–2019 68 34 32 2 50.00%
16 Dave Rennie 2020–2023 33 12 18 3 36.36%Not knocking Deans Chris, just think super etc was his level(very good at that too), and maybe man management etc was/is his weakness, especially if you hear and read what former players say, even Dan Carter who has a lot of time for him says he struggles with experienced players who already know the game well.
With your experience at coaching, I would suggest you know the difference skills required as a coach at different levels etc.
Some bloody great club coaches just don't make the step up to NPC etc etc, just different skills etc.@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Chris said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unfortunately will Rennie have to rebuild his reputation again?
dunno, I reckon he has done enough in NZ rugby to serve him well, and from an outside perspective, you can see he has made improvements although Aus Rugby and he werent without thier issues.
NZR seem to love that International experience....
Yep taniwhai, but Deans seemed to of never really got another gig, and his rep was probably even higher than Rennies?
He's doing very nicely for himself in Japan without the stresses of test rugby.
Yep coaching at a level he is very good at.
He hasn't been that bad as an International coach of the last 6 Wallaby coaches over the last 21 years he has the 2nd best winning percentage behind John Connolly who only coached for 25 tests compared to Deans 75 tests and has a better winning percentage than Eddie Jones,Ewen McKenzie,Michael Cheika and Dave Rennie
Winning %11 Eddie Jones 2001–2005 57 33 2 1 57.89 %
12 John Connolly 2006–2007 25 16 8 1 64.00%
13 Robbie Deans 2008–2013 75 44 29 2 58.67%
14 Ewen McKenzie 2013–2014 22 11 10 1 50.00%
15 Michael Cheika 2014–2019 68 34 32 2 50.00%
16 Dave Rennie 2020–2023 33 12 18 3 36.36%Not knocking Deans Chris, just think super etc was his level(very good at that too), and maybe man management etc was/is his weakness, especially if you hear and read what former players say, even Dan Carter who has a lot of time for him says he struggles with experienced players who already know the game well.
With your experience at coaching, I would suggest you know the difference skills required as a coach at different levels etc.
Some bloody great club coaches just don't make the step up to NPC etc etc, just different skills etc.Fair call on the man management ,50% of coaching is that for sure,more and more with the new breed.
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Fucken RA say hold my beer to NZR!
Is there a longer coaching contract out there at the moment? Outstanding to sign a coach who the world has figured out is two seasons tops to a contract like that... when you already have a coach!
My only fear now is just what lengths Robinson is going to go to, to devise the reinstatement of his incompetence crown.
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@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
Why's that? If he hasn't got a Japanese gig lined up as rumoured then a rest with the family followed by a short term gig with ABs could be a good option for him.
Money? He'll get better money elsewhere, by far.
Fame? He doesn't seem like that sort of guy.
And if the ABs win, how much would he enjoy seeing Foster take the credit? That would be the killer for me -- there is literally no upside for him in doing it.
There's only one reason he might take an assistant gig, and that would be out of (misplaced) loyalty to NZR.
None of that adds up to “no chance”.
Money isn’t everything (especially for a short term gig)
The rest is just assumptions on how you might think.
I’m not saying he’d jump at it but it wouldn’t surprise me.
If NZR said “hey Dave, we still value you and think you could add something” he’d probably consider it. The guy doesn’t have much ego.@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
None of that adds up to “no chance”.
Money isn’t everything (especially for a short term gig)
The rest is just assumptions on how you might think.
I’m not saying he’d jump at it but it wouldn’t surprise me.
If NZR said “hey Dave, we still value you and think you could add something” he’d probably consider it. The guy doesn’t have much ego.Money won't come into it, other than as a measure of value (low), and the fact that it won't be a positive attraction that makes abasing himself worthwhile.
Your argument basically comes down to he'll do it for NZ, and -- I agree -- he's not as ego bound as many coaches.
But having been not even looked at for the AB job in the first place, in his position I would tell NZR the dark place they could shove it. They made a bad choice, and now they want him to help fix it?
"We still value you" won't have much ring, because of the "still". They gave him the hard shoulder four years ago because they clearly didn't value him.
Edit: this also assumes that NZR will accept that they made a bit of a mistake letting Rennie go. That ain't going to happen. No way will the current fish-heads acknowledge that they might have blundered.
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Fucken RA say hold my beer to NZR!
Is there a longer coaching contract out there at the moment? Outstanding to sign a coach who the world has figured out is two seasons tops to a contract like that... when you already have a coach!
My only fear now is just what lengths Robinson is going to go to, to devise the reinstatement of his incompetence crown.
@Bones said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Fucken RA say hold my beer to NZR!
Is there a longer coaching contract out there at the moment? Outstanding to sign a coach who the world has figured out is two seasons tops to a contract like that... when you already have a coach!
My only fear now is just what lengths Robinson is going to go to, to devise the reinstatement of his incompetence crown.
They figure two seasons would be enough to win Bledisloe and Bill. I think Wallabies will get a spike in their performance in that time, hopefully not at our expense
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@Bones said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Fucken RA say hold my beer to NZR!
Is there a longer coaching contract out there at the moment? Outstanding to sign a coach who the world has figured out is two seasons tops to a contract like that... when you already have a coach!
My only fear now is just what lengths Robinson is going to go to, to devise the reinstatement of his incompetence crown.
They figure two seasons would be enough to win Bledisloe and Bill. I think Wallabies will get a spike in their performance in that time, hopefully not at our expense
@Nevorian said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Bones said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Fucken RA say hold my beer to NZR!
Is there a longer coaching contract out there at the moment? Outstanding to sign a coach who the world has figured out is two seasons tops to a contract like that... when you already have a coach!
My only fear now is just what lengths Robinson is going to go to, to devise the reinstatement of his incompetence crown.
They figure two seasons would be enough to win Bledisloe and Bill. I think Wallabies will get a spike in their performance in that time, hopefully not at our expense
Oh I'd agree with that. But he's signed to a 5 year contract isn't he? Or have I misread?
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@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
None of that adds up to “no chance”.
Money isn’t everything (especially for a short term gig)
The rest is just assumptions on how you might think.
I’m not saying he’d jump at it but it wouldn’t surprise me.
If NZR said “hey Dave, we still value you and think you could add something” he’d probably consider it. The guy doesn’t have much ego.Money won't come into it, other than as a measure of value (low), and the fact that it won't be a positive attraction that makes abasing himself worthwhile.
Your argument basically comes down to he'll do it for NZ, and -- I agree -- he's not as ego bound as many coaches.
But having been not even looked at for the AB job in the first place, in his position I would tell NZR the dark place they could shove it. They made a bad choice, and now they want him to help fix it?
"We still value you" won't have much ring, because of the "still". They gave him the hard shoulder four years ago because they clearly didn't value him.
Edit: this also assumes that NZR will accept that they made a bit of a mistake letting Rennie go. That ain't going to happen. No way will the current fish-heads acknowledge that they might have blundered.
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
None of that adds up to “no chance”.
Money isn’t everything (especially for a short term gig)
The rest is just assumptions on how you might think.
I’m not saying he’d jump at it but it wouldn’t surprise me.
If NZR said “hey Dave, we still value you and think you could add something” he’d probably consider it. The guy doesn’t have much ego.Money won't come into it, other than as a measure of value (low), and the fact that it won't be a positive attraction that makes abasing himself worthwhile.
Your argument basically comes down to he'll do it for NZ, and -- I agree -- he's not as ego bound as many coaches.
But having been not even looked at for the AB job in the first place, in his position I would tell NZR the dark place they could shove it. They made a bad choice, and now they want him to help fix it?
"We still value you" won't have much ring, because of the "still". They gave him the hard shoulder four years ago because they clearly didn't value him.
Edit: this also assumes that NZR will accept that they made a bit of a mistake letting Rennie go. That ain't going to happen. No way will the current fish-heads acknowledge that they might have blundered.
I’m just puzzled with your thinking lines to be honest. There’s a hell of a lot of assumptions going on about the way someone thinks or perceives situations with zero knowledge to support it.
That’s the Fern I guess. I’m happy to wait and see. It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if it happens or not. -
Ha ha ha.
That was truly funny news to wake up to.
The Wallabies are likely to be more dangerous now - against us at least.
@gt12 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Ha ha ha.
That was truly funny news to wake up to.
The Wallabies are likely to be more dangerous now - against us at least.
Surely they'd be more dangerous against the English? Jones must know a thing or two about their camp...
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@mariner4life said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Stargazer said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
As the stuff article says, Jones' first target will be the Bledisloe Cup.
oh, true? naaah, bullshit
what an incredibly redundant statement
Like about 80% of the posts on the Fern.
@Stargazer said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@mariner4life said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Stargazer said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
As the stuff article says, Jones' first target will be the Bledisloe Cup.
oh, true? naaah, bullshit
what an incredibly redundant statement
Like about 80% of the posts on the Fern.
80.75% (trademark E. Jones).
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@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@NTA Childish moment from Gregan. They went lost to England the next week anyway so wippie-do.
Yeah @NTA you’re a better ferner than resorting to this lame GIF
@MN5 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@NTA Childish moment from Gregan. They went lost to England the next week anyway so wippie-do.
Yeah @NTA you’re a better ferner than resorting to this lame GIF
I'm really not.
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@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Is that what Eddie told them in his interview?
“It is a major coup for Australian Rugby to have the best coach in the world return home to coach the iconic Wallabies and to oversee the Wallaroos program,” McLennan said.
McLennan is on drugs. Incredibly stupid less than a year out from RWC and only makes sense if their focus is RWC 2027 in Australia. I like Eddie Jones alot but he's not the team/culture builder that Rennie was. He's what Aussie's call a shit-stirrer and IMO Rugby Aus will regret this in a couple of seasons time.
Question for the Fern - is Rennie now a legit contender for the AB job? Razor has Super form and longevity but he doesn't have Rennie's international experience at both club & test level.
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@Stargazer said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 Didn't Deans "get another gig", or didn't he "go for another (international) gig"? Did he even apply?
Yep well apart from Eddie, I don't know any coaches that have reapplied after getting fired from test rugby. But you right he never tried, that I know of.
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Stargazer said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 Didn't Deans "get another gig", or didn't he "go for another (international) gig"? Did he even apply?
Yep well apart from Eddie, I don't know any coaches that have reapplied after getting fired from test rugby. But you right he never tried, that I know of.
John Mitchell went on to coach the mighty Eagles.
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@Tim said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
So who will join the Australian exodus before the international season?
Quade Cooper?
One thing I thought Rennie did well? Or maybe Cooper's improvement was all by Cooper?
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Drew Mitchell
“It reminds me a lot of 2019,” Mitchell tweeted. “6-8 months before a World Cup, Rugby AU’s leadership lose faith in the current coach. [In] 2019 they appointed a selection panel because they didn’t have faith in [Michael] Cheika. 2023 they sack Rennie. “At what point does the focus turn on the people who make the appointments in the first place? These tweets aren’t about my thoughts on who or who shouldn’t be the man in charge. To some extent, feels like history is repeating itself.” -
@ACT-Crusader said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
Never forget it Ferners…
Isn't that the Tri Nations trophy?
@mikedogz said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@ACT-Crusader said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
Never forget it Ferners…
Isn't that the Tri Nations trophy?
Was about to post that. The clue being "TRI NATIONS" engraved on the side.
Maybe that was @ACT-Crusader 's point, that we no longer care enough to care what the Bledisloe looks like anymore. It's 1979 all over again.
(I fully expect to have #booboo'ed.)
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@NTA Childish moment from Gregan. They went lost to England the next week anyway so wippie-do.
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@Bones said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Fucken RA say hold my beer to NZR!
Is there a longer coaching contract out there at the moment? Outstanding to sign a coach who the world has figured out is two seasons tops to a contract like that... when you already have a coach!
My only fear now is just what lengths Robinson is going to go to, to devise the reinstatement of his incompetence crown.
They figure two seasons would be enough to win Bledisloe and Bill. I think Wallabies will get a spike in their performance in that time, hopefully not at our expense
@Nevorian said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Bones said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Fucken RA say hold my beer to NZR!
Is there a longer coaching contract out there at the moment? Outstanding to sign a coach who the world has figured out is two seasons tops to a contract like that... when you already have a coach!
My only fear now is just what lengths Robinson is going to go to, to devise the reinstatement of his incompetence crown.
They figure two seasons would be enough to win Bledisloe and Bill. I think Wallabies will get a spike in their performance in that time, hopefully not at our expense
Dead cat bounce?
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Not sure if it’s been mentioned in amongst the where will Rennie end up discussion, but
Rugby Australia has ensured that Rennie cannot coach elsewhere. His contract will be paid out but he will be on “gardening leave” for the remainder of the year.
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Not sure if it’s been mentioned in amongst the where will Rennie end up discussion, but
Rugby Australia has ensured that Rennie cannot coach elsewhere. His contract will be paid out but he will be on “gardening leave” for the remainder of the year.
@ACT-Crusader said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Not sure if it’s been mentioned in amongst the where will Rennie end up discussion, but
Rugby Australia has ensured that Rennie cannot coach elsewhere. His contract will be paid out but he will be on “gardening leave” for the remainder of the year.
Why do that?! Afraid of team secrets leaking? Seems nasty to me.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Not sure if it’s been mentioned in amongst the where will Rennie end up discussion, but
Rugby Australia has ensured that Rennie cannot coach elsewhere. His contract will be paid out but he will be on “gardening leave” for the remainder of the year.
Why do that?! Afraid of team secrets leaking? Seems nasty to me.
@nostrildamus I think if it was a non-RWC year they may have waived that but to me it’s not about being nasty but more a face saving exercise by RA.
