Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!
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@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
Why's that? If he hasn't got a Japanese gig lined up as rumoured then a rest with the family followed by a short term gig with ABs could be a good option for him.
@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
Why's that? If he hasn't got a Japanese gig lined up as rumoured then a rest with the family followed by a short term gig with ABs could be a good option for him.
Money? He'll get better money elsewhere, by far.
Fame? He doesn't seem like that sort of guy.
And if the ABs win, how much would he enjoy seeing Foster take the credit? That would be the killer for me -- there is literally no upside for him in doing it.
There's only one reason he might take an assistant gig, and that would be out of (misplaced) loyalty to NZR.
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@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
Why's that? If he hasn't got a Japanese gig lined up as rumoured then a rest with the family followed by a short term gig with ABs could be a good option for him.
Money? He'll get better money elsewhere, by far.
Fame? He doesn't seem like that sort of guy.
And if the ABs win, how much would he enjoy seeing Foster take the credit? That would be the killer for me -- there is literally no upside for him in doing it.
There's only one reason he might take an assistant gig, and that would be out of (misplaced) loyalty to NZR.
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
Why's that? If he hasn't got a Japanese gig lined up as rumoured then a rest with the family followed by a short term gig with ABs could be a good option for him.
Money? He'll get better money elsewhere, by far.
Fame? He doesn't seem like that sort of guy.
And if the ABs win, how much would he enjoy seeing Foster take the credit? That would be the killer for me -- there is literally no upside for him in doing it.
There's only one reason he might take an assistant gig, and that would be out of (misplaced) loyalty to NZR.
To quote you back "he doesn't seem like that sort of guy". I think if he thinks he can help the ABs win then he'd do it regardless of Foster. Plus, he only needs to read the Fern to know that Ryan gets all the credit anyway.
I don't think he'd do it out of misplaced loyalty to NZR, just a desire to see the ABs win.
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genuinely laughing at using Eddie's "world cup win percentage" as this amazing thing.
Generally, the big teams lose once a world up. If you win your pool games and lose your quarter, boom! 80% win percentage achieved!
@mariner4life said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
genuinely laughing at using Eddie's "world cup win percentage" as this amazing thing.
Generally, the big teams lose once a world up. If you win your pool games and lose your quarter, boom! 80% win percentage achieved!
to quote myself, this is starting to do my head in
Most Successful World Cup Coach ever!!
(if you are exceedingly generous and give him a lot of credit for his "advisory" role with SA in 2007.But even beyond that, there's a bloke called Steve Hansen who wants a word.
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@TheMojoman said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Is that what Eddie told them in his interview?
“It is a major coup for Australian Rugby to have the best coach in the world return home to coach the iconic Wallabies and to oversee the Wallaroos program,” McLennan said.
McLennan is on drugs. Incredibly stupid less than a year out from RWC and only makes sense if their focus is RWC 2027 in Australia. I like Eddie Jones alot but he's not the team/culture builder that Rennie was. He's what Aussie's call a shit-stirrer and IMO Rugby Aus will regret this in a couple of seasons time.
This will be Eddie’s last big international coaching job and he’s returned home. This is a legacy moment for him and he’s a pretty proud man, so I think there will be some changes. From all reports he’s learned a heap about man management from his stints in SA, Japan and England. He’s still a little old school but I think the approach will be different.
Whether that translates to results, well who knows.
I think it’s a very good appointment and a right fit for what really is an up and down side that when they are good they are really good and when they play poor they are a 7th or 8th ranked side.
@ACT-Crusader said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
From all reports he’s learned a heap about man management from his stints in SA, Japan and England
From some reports out of England he's learned nothing about man management.
That could be circumstantial tho; I read Mat Rogers' book recently and his last year at the Titans in NRL he was confronted with a change room full of guys silently scrolling their phones. It was a marked change from when he departed the NRL to join rugby, and he figured (along with his failing body) that was the point he was done.
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@Duluth said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
All Blacks should hire Rennie as defence coach
Rennie is an attack coach, always has been, Schmidt has had great success before as a defence coach.
AB's backroom staff for World Cup: Schmidt: defense, Rennie: attack, Ryan: forwards, Feek: set-piece.
@kiwi_expat Schmidt has been an attack coach since he was an assistant coach for BOP. He is the attack coach for the All Blacks.
IIRC, Farrell was the defence coach for Ireland, and Mike Catt was the attack coach, under Schmidt.
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Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
Never forget it Ferners…
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@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
Never forget it Ferners…
@ACT-Crusader There'll perhaps soon be some guys in the Wallabies squad who weren't even born then.
Does anyone still have the Day In The Life Of Eddie Jones piece from back in the day?
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@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
Never forget it Ferners…
@ACT-Crusader said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
Never forget it Ferners…
lol great photo of the cup being held by the suitcase it came with!
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@Dan54 did he ever reapply for the AB job after he left Aus?
@taniwharugby Don't think so, don't know of him applying for any international jobs, just may of realised he wasn't a test coach?
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@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unfortunately will Rennie have to rebuild his reputation again?
dunno, I reckon he has done enough in NZ rugby to serve him well, and from an outside perspective, you can see he has made improvements although Aus Rugby and he werent without thier issues.
NZR seem to love that International experience....
Yep taniwhai, but Deans seemed to of never really got another gig, and his rep was probably even higher than Rennies?
He's doing very nicely for himself in Japan without the stresses of test rugby.
@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unfortunately will Rennie have to rebuild his reputation again?
dunno, I reckon he has done enough in NZ rugby to serve him well, and from an outside perspective, you can see he has made improvements although Aus Rugby and he werent without thier issues.
NZR seem to love that International experience....
Yep taniwhai, but Deans seemed to of never really got another gig, and his rep was probably even higher than Rennies?
He's doing very nicely for himself in Japan without the stresses of test rugby.
Yep coaching at a level he is very good at.
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@Dan54 Didn't Deans "get another gig", or didn't he "go for another (international) gig"? Did he even apply?
@Stargazer said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 Didn't Deans "get another gig", or didn't he "go for another (international) gig"? Did he even apply?
Yep well apart from Eddie, I don't know any coaches that have reapplied after getting fired from test rugby. But you right he never tried, that I know of.
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from a management perspective this is an interesting case
it appears, from teh outside, the Rennie has spent 3 years building culture and depth, to varying levels of success depending on how you look at it. And it's cost him his job.
Did RA sign off on the plan and vision?
Is this just a decision by RA to get who they see as the best coach available?Didn't the wallabies have a camp like a week ago? Anything worked on is already redundant.
@mariner4life said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
from a management perspective this is an interesting case
it appears, from teh outside, the Rennie has spent 3 years building culture and depth, to varying levels of success depending on how you look at it. And it's cost him his job.
Did RA sign off on the plan and vision?
Is this just a decision by RA to get who they see as the best coach available?Didn't the wallabies have a camp like a week ago? Anything worked on is already redundant.
Yep seems bloody ridiculous to have a camp one week and dump coach next, perhaps RA got plenty of spare $s.
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@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
Why's that? If he hasn't got a Japanese gig lined up as rumoured then a rest with the family followed by a short term gig with ABs could be a good option for him.
Money? He'll get better money elsewhere, by far.
Fame? He doesn't seem like that sort of guy.
And if the ABs win, how much would he enjoy seeing Foster take the credit? That would be the killer for me -- there is literally no upside for him in doing it.
There's only one reason he might take an assistant gig, and that would be out of (misplaced) loyalty to NZR.
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Chester-Draws said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
But there is no chance Rennie will work under Foster.
Why's that? If he hasn't got a Japanese gig lined up as rumoured then a rest with the family followed by a short term gig with ABs could be a good option for him.
Money? He'll get better money elsewhere, by far.
Fame? He doesn't seem like that sort of guy.
And if the ABs win, how much would he enjoy seeing Foster take the credit? That would be the killer for me -- there is literally no upside for him in doing it.
There's only one reason he might take an assistant gig, and that would be out of (misplaced) loyalty to NZR.
Why would it be misplaced loyalty? he has always seemed to have a good run with them, MAB coach etc until he went overseas
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@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unfortunately will Rennie have to rebuild his reputation again?
dunno, I reckon he has done enough in NZ rugby to serve him well, and from an outside perspective, you can see he has made improvements although Aus Rugby and he werent without thier issues.
NZR seem to love that International experience....
Yep taniwhai, but Deans seemed to of never really got another gig, and his rep was probably even higher than Rennies?
He's doing very nicely for himself in Japan without the stresses of test rugby.
Yep coaching at a level he is very good at.
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Crucial said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@taniwharugby said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@Dan54 said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Unfortunately will Rennie have to rebuild his reputation again?
dunno, I reckon he has done enough in NZ rugby to serve him well, and from an outside perspective, you can see he has made improvements although Aus Rugby and he werent without thier issues.
NZR seem to love that International experience....
Yep taniwhai, but Deans seemed to of never really got another gig, and his rep was probably even higher than Rennies?
He's doing very nicely for himself in Japan without the stresses of test rugby.
Yep coaching at a level he is very good at.
He hasn't been that bad as an International coach of the last 6 Wallaby coaches over the last 21 years he has the 2nd best winning percentage behind John Connolly who only coached for 25 tests compared to Deans 75 tests and has a better winning percentage than Eddie Jones,Ewen McKenzie,Michael Cheika and Dave Rennie
Winning %11 Eddie Jones 2001–2005 57 33 2 1 57.89 %
12 John Connolly 2006–2007 25 16 8 1 64.00%
13 Robbie Deans 2008–2013 75 44 29 2 58.67%
14 Ewen McKenzie 2013–2014 22 11 10 1 50.00%
15 Michael Cheika 2014–2019 68 34 32 2 50.00%
16 Dave Rennie 2020–2023 33 12 18 3 36.36% -
@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
Never forget it Ferners…
@ACT-Crusader said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
Never forget it Ferners…
Isn't that the Tri Nations trophy?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
Never forget it Ferners…
Isn't that the Tri Nations trophy?
@mikedogz i think it is ha ha
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Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
@sparky said in Rennie Sacked, Eddie In!:
Last time Eddie Jones was appointed Wallabies coach Iphones, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook did not exist and even harder to imagine Australia actually held the Bledisloe Cup.
Last time Eddie Jones was Wallabies coach this also happened:
