Black Caps v England
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Not sure I really understand the logic of bowling first. Batting first means we either have a great day and bat through the day, or we fold but get to have a good crack at them under lights. It also means we don't have to chase in the 4th innings.
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v England:
Not sure I really understand the logic of bowling first. Batting first means we either have a great day and bat through the day, or we fold but get to have a good crack at them under lights. It also means we don't have to chase in the 4th innings.
the captain's a bowler? Rates the chance of rolling them cheaply?
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@LABCAT said in Black Caps v England:
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@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Just got home from morning coaching session
Catching up, A worry to see Scott Kuggeljin playing a test he is not up to test cricket,it would have been better to blood a youngster for the experience, probably would not lose a lot short term but gain long term.It's a lose lose selection all round. Ordinarily the Outraged of Twitter are best ignored, but slightly conflicted feelings in this case, as they're being aggravated for a journeyman with no recent first class form to speak of. Maybe best to have gone with Duffy... or... arguably a bloke sitting 500m away watching via his WiFi.
I would have blooded a youngster.
Genuine question of - which one? I have no other names leaping to mind (maybe there should be). Doug Bracewell would have been ideal (gnashing of teeth from @MN5 aside
)... others?I would have picked:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/zakary-foulkes-1202098First class record doesn't look much yet but watching him play he looks like he has the skills to be the next Souther/Boult
Too early for the kid. Looks like he has talent but also looks like he is still trying to find out who he is as a cricketer. Batsman who bowls, bowler who bats or genuine all-rounder?
He's definitely a bowler who bats a bit, nothing else.
Was it too early for Southee, Boult, Vettori etc?
Genuine question because I don't know. Does Foulkes have any age grade pedigree? I ask because I seem to recall Southee and Boult spearheading an age grade NZ side to a handy world cup place.
The only thing I know about Foulkes is McMillan mentioning Foulkes was considered more of a batter and Canterbury were surprised by his success with the ball.
Edit @chris - wiki tells me Foulkes played in Qld during a T20 comp. Did you get to see him or hear about him?
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Just got home from morning coaching session
Catching up, A worry to see Scott Kuggeljin playing a test he is not up to test cricket,it would have been better to blood a youngster for the experience, probably would not lose a lot short term but gain long term.It's a lose lose selection all round. Ordinarily the Outraged of Twitter are best ignored, but slightly conflicted feelings in this case, as they're being aggravated for a journeyman with no recent first class form to speak of. Maybe best to have gone with Duffy... or... arguably a bloke sitting 500m away watching via his WiFi.
I would have blooded a youngster.
Genuine question of - which one? I have no other names leaping to mind (maybe there should be). Doug Bracewell would have been ideal (gnashing of teeth from @MN5 aside
)... others?I would have picked:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/zakary-foulkes-1202098First class record doesn't look much yet but watching him play he looks like he has the skills to be the next Souther/Boult
Too early for the kid. Looks like he has talent but also looks like he is still trying to find out who he is as a cricketer. Batsman who bowls, bowler who bats or genuine all-rounder?
He's definitely a bowler who bats a bit, nothing else.
Was it too early for Southee, Boult, Vettori etc?
Genuine question because I don't know. Does Foulkes have any age grade pedigree? I ask because I seem to recall Southee and Boult spearheading an age grade NZ side to a handy world cup place.
The only thing I know about Foulkes is McMillan mentioning Foulkes was considered more of a batter and Canterbury were surprised by his success with the ball.
Edit @chris - wiki tells me Foulkes played in Qld during a T20 comp. Did you get to see him or hear about him?
Yes I did mate he played in the KFC 20/20
At the start of the season I remember he took a 3/17 odd in one game and got pumped for 40 odd on the 2nd match I saw him play,
I think he made a 20 with the bat and a duck if my memory is correct.
Looked like he had some promise with the ball hard to judge his batting he was coming in in the middle order in 20/20s.
Definitely a prospect I reckon.
He did play in the comp when all the Aussie and Qld Bulls players were playing in that comp.
I took notice because he was a kiwi from Canterbury. -
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v England:
Not sure I really understand the logic of bowling first. Batting first means we either have a great day and bat through the day, or we fold but get to have a good crack at them under lights. It also means we don't have to chase in the 4th innings.
the captain's a bowler? Rates the chance of rolling them cheaply?
@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v England:
Not sure I really understand the logic of bowling first. Batting first means we either have a great day and bat through the day, or we fold but get to have a good crack at them under lights. It also means we don't have to chase in the 4th innings.
the captain's a bowler? Rates the chance of rolling them cheaply?
Honestly my enduring memory of pink ball cricket is us batting under lights, we almost never seem to get the benefit of the final session. If you get to take the new ball in the final session you get a massive advantage in the game (which is the main reason I don't like the day/night tests, a lot comes down to luck there). Still though, we should be trying to maximise our chances of bowling in the evening, especially with a new ball.
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Don't get much easier than that in the slips
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Williamson got himself in a tight mess there,front foot too far over and pushed down the wrong line.
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@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Williamson got himself in a tight mess there,front foot too far over and pushed down the wrong line.
looked plumb live - Dar isn't making great decisions at the moment
@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Williamson got himself in a tight mess there,front foot too far over and pushed down the wrong line.
looked plumb live - Dar isn't making great decisions at the moment
Looked out to me as well , unusual for Dar normally he is pretty good.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Williamson got himself in a tight mess there,front foot too far over and pushed down the wrong line.
looked plumb live - Dar isn't making great decisions at the moment
Looked out to me as well , unusual for Dar normally he is pretty good.
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Williamson got himself in a tight mess there,front foot too far over and pushed down the wrong line.
looked plumb live - Dar isn't making great decisions at the moment
Looked out to me as well , unusual for Dar normally he is pretty good.
he's had quite a few overturned recently from what I've seen. He has been ecellent - but more bad decisions than wrong decisions
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Not sure I really understand the logic of bowling first. Batting first means we either have a great day and bat through the day, or we fold but get to have a good crack at them under lights. It also means we don't have to chase in the 4th innings.
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v England:
Not sure I really understand the logic of bowling first. Batting first means we either have a great day and bat through the day, or we fold but get to have a good crack at them under lights. It also means we don't have to chase in the 4th innings.
Broad, Anderson, and Robinson are also the sort of trio I'd least want to face under lights with a pink ball at the end of a days play too.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v England:
Not sure I really understand the logic of bowling first. Batting first means we either have a great day and bat through the day, or we fold but get to have a good crack at them under lights. It also means we don't have to chase in the 4th innings.
Broad, Anderson, and Robinson are also the sort of trio I'd least want to face under lights with a pink ball at the end of a days play too.
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v England:
Not sure I really understand the logic of bowling first. Batting first means we either have a great day and bat through the day, or we fold but get to have a good crack at them under lights. It also means we don't have to chase in the 4th innings.
Broad, Anderson, and Robinson are also the sort of trio I'd least want to face under lights with a pink ball at the end of a days play too.
yeah. We won the toss, right? This is what we chose? Needs a damn meme
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Will be interesting to see how we approach batting, I'm guessing we'll be sticking to the 3 per over game plan.
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Oh look, Nicholls up against a side who doesn't drop catches.
(Also Latham in a test against not Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, or the West Indies...)
Have had to return the Year Five to bed on a school night, so am no longer at the ground to sort out the batting. Need more South Africans to bat with Devon.
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Yep, almost looking forward to the Nicholls getting out nowadays. We've got far better options in the wings, let's get clear on who's of value to us going forward. Someone who has a great average because of a shitload of drops isn't really who we want in at 4.
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps v England:
lol i love this. Whack up 300+ and then declare with plenty of under-lights overs to bowl in.
It's a bit like the olden days when people would declare on uncovered sticky wickets!
Well, we've done better with the ball than I expected - lets hope our stronger suit can pay dividends and keep them at bay under the lights.
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v England:
lol i love this. Whack up 300+ and then declare with plenty of under-lights overs to bowl in.
It's a bit like the olden days when people would declare on uncovered sticky wickets!
Well, we've done better with the ball than I expected - lets hope our stronger suit can pay dividends and keep them at bay under the lights.
Bugger. That worked better than I hoped it would.
Henry Nicholls is trying my patience.
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v England:
lol i love this. Whack up 300+ and then declare with plenty of under-lights overs to bowl in.
It's a bit like the olden days when people would declare on uncovered sticky wickets!
Well, we've done better with the ball than I expected - lets hope our stronger suit can pay dividends and keep them at bay under the lights.
Bugger. That worked better than I hoped it would.
Henry Nicholls is trying my patience.
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v England:
lol i love this. Whack up 300+ and then declare with plenty of under-lights overs to bowl in.
It's a bit like the olden days when people would declare on uncovered sticky wickets!
Well, we've done better with the ball than I expected - lets hope our stronger suit can pay dividends and keep them at bay under the lights.
Bugger. That worked better than I hoped it would.
Henry Nicholls is trying my patience.
Surely Young has to come in for Nicholls now.
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v England:
lol i love this. Whack up 300+ and then declare with plenty of under-lights overs to bowl in.
It's a bit like the olden days when people would declare on uncovered sticky wickets!
Well, we've done better with the ball than I expected - lets hope our stronger suit can pay dividends and keep them at bay under the lights.
Bugger. That worked better than I hoped it would.
Henry Nicholls is trying my patience.
Surely Young has to come in for Nicholls now.
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As expected batting against the new ball under lights was extremely difficult. Kane's wicket really put England on top. Gonna need Conway to go big tomorrow (to state the blindingly obvious).
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Damn. I saw what I took to be the stumps score of them being 3 handy something for 8.
Next I look and see they'd declared and we're f all for 3.
Poo.
Didn't realise this was a pink ball test.
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@LABCAT said in Black Caps v England:
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@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Just got home from morning coaching session
Catching up, A worry to see Scott Kuggeljin playing a test he is not up to test cricket,it would have been better to blood a youngster for the experience, probably would not lose a lot short term but gain long term.It's a lose lose selection all round. Ordinarily the Outraged of Twitter are best ignored, but slightly conflicted feelings in this case, as they're being aggravated for a journeyman with no recent first class form to speak of. Maybe best to have gone with Duffy... or... arguably a bloke sitting 500m away watching via his WiFi.
I would have blooded a youngster.
Genuine question of - which one? I have no other names leaping to mind (maybe there should be). Doug Bracewell would have been ideal (gnashing of teeth from @MN5 aside
)... others?I would have picked:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/zakary-foulkes-1202098First class record doesn't look much yet but watching him play he looks like he has the skills to be the next Souther/Boult
Too early for the kid. Looks like he has talent but also looks like he is still trying to find out who he is as a cricketer. Batsman who bowls, bowler who bats or genuine all-rounder?
He's definitely a bowler who bats a bit, nothing else.
Was it too early for Southee, Boult, Vettori etc?
Genuine question because I don't know. Does Foulkes have any age grade pedigree? I ask because I seem to recall Southee and Boult spearheading an age grade NZ side to a handy world cup place.
The only thing I know about Foulkes is McMillan mentioning Foulkes was considered more of a batter and Canterbury were surprised by his success with the ball.
Edit @chris - wiki tells me Foulkes played in Qld during a T20 comp. Did you get to see him or hear about him?
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@LABCAT said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@LABCAT said in Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Just got home from morning coaching session
Catching up, A worry to see Scott Kuggeljin playing a test he is not up to test cricket,it would have been better to blood a youngster for the experience, probably would not lose a lot short term but gain long term.It's a lose lose selection all round. Ordinarily the Outraged of Twitter are best ignored, but slightly conflicted feelings in this case, as they're being aggravated for a journeyman with no recent first class form to speak of. Maybe best to have gone with Duffy... or... arguably a bloke sitting 500m away watching via his WiFi.
I would have blooded a youngster.
Genuine question of - which one? I have no other names leaping to mind (maybe there should be). Doug Bracewell would have been ideal (gnashing of teeth from @MN5 aside
)... others?I would have picked:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/zakary-foulkes-1202098First class record doesn't look much yet but watching him play he looks like he has the skills to be the next Souther/Boult
Too early for the kid. Looks like he has talent but also looks like he is still trying to find out who he is as a cricketer. Batsman who bowls, bowler who bats or genuine all-rounder?
He's definitely a bowler who bats a bit, nothing else.
Was it too early for Southee, Boult, Vettori etc?
Genuine question because I don't know. Does Foulkes have any age grade pedigree? I ask because I seem to recall Southee and Boult spearheading an age grade NZ side to a handy world cup place.
The only thing I know about Foulkes is McMillan mentioning Foulkes was considered more of a batter and Canterbury were surprised by his success with the ball.
Edit @chris - wiki tells me Foulkes played in Qld during a T20 comp. Did you get to see him or hear about him?
We pulled out of the U19 world cup, for covid travel reasons, so his age cohort didn't get a national selection. So, don't know whether he would have been in that team, or not. Or, if he then would have had pedigree compared to international peers.
NZC usually don't spend any money on youth cricket, only attend tournaments where the ICC is paying the bill. So, its basically 1 tournament (plus a warm-up) every 2 years. It is all therefore 50-over cricket, only. But that is still a good gauge, tbh.
NZ haven't played a Youth Test for 15 years, since 2008 when Kane Williamson (and Neesham & Doug Bracewell) were in the team. (https://archive.nzc.nz/Events/New_Zealand_Under-19s_in_England_2008/Team_Averages.html )
Us, Windies, Zim appear to have given up on Youth Tests, that is some 'illustrious' company.
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