Rugby World Cup general discussion

[kiwiinmelb]

I kind of liked the idea of not being favourites for a change,

Well there goes that .

[KiwiMurph]

@MajorRage said in Rugby World Cup news:

Those Ireland odds are unbelievable. What am I missing

Never having won a knock out RWC game and having to face either the home team France or the ABs in a quarter might have something to do with it......

[canefan]

@kiwiinmelb said in Rugby World Cup news:

I kind of liked the idea of not being favourites for a change,

Well there goes that .

It's a scam. In their minds the Irish and French know they are tournament favourites. This trying to claim underdog status is feeble and lame

[MajorPom]

@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:

@MajorRage said in Rugby World Cup news:

Those Ireland odds are unbelievable. What am I missing

Never having won a knock out RWC game and having to face either the home team France or the ABs in a quarter might have something to do with it......

Does it matter who you face in a QF? NZ/France are going to have equally tricky opposition and it hasn't affected their odds.

Certainly got a point on the lack of knockout victory, but 5/1 compared to NZ France odds just seems wrong to me.

[booboo]

@MajorRage said in Rugby World Cup news:

@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:

@MajorRage said in Rugby World Cup news:

Those Ireland odds are unbelievable. What am I missing

Never having won a knock out RWC game and having to face either the home team France or the ABs in a quarter might have something to do with it......

Does it matter who you face in a QF? NZ/France are going to have equally tricky opposition and it hasn't affected their odds.

Certainly got a point on the lack of knockout victory, but 5/1 compared to NZ France odds just seems wrong to me.

Kinda related, but have to mention my only issue I have with winning or losing v France is the nagging fear we could lose v Italy.

[Tim]

@booboo Are you a doomer now? That will never happen.

[booboo]

@Tim I'd rather just not have to worry about the extreme outside possibility.

Just beat France .

[KiwiMurph]

Well we did draw 0-0 with Italy at the last RWC......

[Bones]

Ireland already distracted, lording it up in Portugal with the rich and famous.

Cunch of bunts.

[sparky]

@Bones We’ve got Roy Keane to thank for Wayne Smith never taking the England job.

https://www.balls.ie/rugby/roy-keane-wayne-smith-all-blacks-england-500847

[nzzp]

@gt12 said in Rugby World Cup news:

@antipodean said in Rugby World Cup news:

@booboo said in Rugby World Cup news:

Doesn't a tackle create an offside line?

Or just a gate?

Offside line.

I don't understand why they aren't in breach of 14.8c

8. Other players must :
a. Remain on their feet and release the ball and the ball-carrier immediately.
b. Remain on their feet when they play the ball.
c. Arrive at the tackle from the direction of their own goal line before playing the ball.
d. Not play the ball or attempt to tackle an opponent while on the ground
near the tackle.

I guess the purpose is to avoid an offside line being formed to get around law 14.10? I think it's very flimsy but if they take out the player before they are over the ball, there may not be an offside line?

Offside lines are created at a tackle when at least one player is on their feet and over the ball, which is on the ground. Each team ís offside line runs parallel to the goal line through the hindmost point of any player in the tackle or on their feet over the ball. If that point is on or behind the goal line, the offside line for that team is the goal line.

More generally, when was the last time you saw innovation like this from NZ teams? Feels like we are reacting to the world these days, not innovating with new ideas, systems or loophole exploitation

[canefan]

@Bones said in Rugby World Cup news:

Ireland already distracted, lording it up in Portugal with the rich and famous.

Cunch of bunts.

Reminds me of us holidaying in the middle of RWC 2007(?)

[booboo]

@nzzp said in Rugby World Cup news:

@gt12 said in Rugby World Cup news:

@antipodean said in Rugby World Cup news:

@booboo said in Rugby World Cup news:

Doesn't a tackle create an offside line?

Or just a gate?

Offside line.

I don't understand why they aren't in breach of 14.8c

8. Other players must :
a. Remain on their feet and release the ball and the ball-carrier immediately.
b. Remain on their feet when they play the ball.
c. Arrive at the tackle from the direction of their own goal line before playing the ball.
d. Not play the ball or attempt to tackle an opponent while on the ground
near the tackle.

I guess the purpose is to avoid an offside line being formed to get around law 14.10? I think it's very flimsy but if they take out the player before they are over the ball, there may not be an offside line?

Offside lines are created at a tackle when at least one player is on their feet and over the ball, which is on the ground. Each team ís offside line runs parallel to the goal line through the hindmost point of any player in the tackle or on their feet over the ball. If that point is on or behind the goal line, the offside line for that team is the goal line.

More generally, when was the last time you saw innovation like this from NZ teams? Feels like we are reacting to the world these days, not innovating with new ideas, systems or loophole exploitation

Because it's cheating and will get stopped. I expect this will be punished in future games.

[nzzp]

@booboo said in Rugby World Cup news:

@nzzp said in Rugby World Cup news:

@gt12 said in Rugby World Cup news:

@antipodean said in Rugby World Cup news:

@booboo said in Rugby World Cup news:

Doesn't a tackle create an offside line?

Or just a gate?

Offside line.

I don't understand why they aren't in breach of 14.8c

8. Other players must :
a. Remain on their feet and release the ball and the ball-carrier immediately.
b. Remain on their feet when they play the ball.
c. Arrive at the tackle from the direction of their own goal line before playing the ball.
d. Not play the ball or attempt to tackle an opponent while on the ground
near the tackle.

I guess the purpose is to avoid an offside line being formed to get around law 14.10? I think it's very flimsy but if they take out the player before they are over the ball, there may not be an offside line?

Offside lines are created at a tackle when at least one player is on their feet and over the ball, which is on the ground. Each team ís offside line runs parallel to the goal line through the hindmost point of any player in the tackle or on their feet over the ball. If that point is on or behind the goal line, the offside line for that team is the goal line.

More generally, when was the last time you saw innovation like this from NZ teams? Feels like we are reacting to the world these days, not innovating with new ideas, systems or loophole exploitation

Because it's cheating and will get stopped. I expect this will be punished in future games.

I agree.

Do you think the ABs are innovating at the moment? I haven't seen it, not for years

[KiwiMurph]

@nzzp said in Rugby World Cup news:

@booboo said in Rugby World Cup news:

@nzzp said in Rugby World Cup news:

@gt12 said in Rugby World Cup news:

@antipodean said in Rugby World Cup news:

@booboo said in Rugby World Cup news:

Doesn't a tackle create an offside line?

Or just a gate?

Offside line.

I don't understand why they aren't in breach of 14.8c

8. Other players must :
a. Remain on their feet and release the ball and the ball-carrier immediately.
b. Remain on their feet when they play the ball.
c. Arrive at the tackle from the direction of their own goal line before playing the ball.
d. Not play the ball or attempt to tackle an opponent while on the ground
near the tackle.

I guess the purpose is to avoid an offside line being formed to get around law 14.10? I think it's very flimsy but if they take out the player before they are over the ball, there may not be an offside line?

Offside lines are created at a tackle when at least one player is on their feet and over the ball, which is on the ground. Each team ís offside line runs parallel to the goal line through the hindmost point of any player in the tackle or on their feet over the ball. If that point is on or behind the goal line, the offside line for that team is the goal line.

More generally, when was the last time you saw innovation like this from NZ teams? Feels like we are reacting to the world these days, not innovating with new ideas, systems or loophole exploitation

Because it's cheating and will get stopped. I expect this will be punished in future games.

I agree.

Do you think the ABs are innovating at the moment? I haven't seen it, not for years

The short passing amongst the forwards this season has been great to watch - a wonderful change from the overdone pod system.

[nzzp]

@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:

@nzzp said in Rugby World Cup news:

@booboo said in Rugby World Cup news:

@nzzp said in Rugby World Cup news:

@gt12 said in Rugby World Cup news:

@antipodean said in Rugby World Cup news:

@booboo said in Rugby World Cup news:

Doesn't a tackle create an offside line?

Or just a gate?

Offside line.

I don't understand why they aren't in breach of 14.8c

8. Other players must :
a. Remain on their feet and release the ball and the ball-carrier immediately.
b. Remain on their feet when they play the ball.
c. Arrive at the tackle from the direction of their own goal line before playing the ball.
d. Not play the ball or attempt to tackle an opponent while on the ground
near the tackle.

I guess the purpose is to avoid an offside line being formed to get around law 14.10? I think it's very flimsy but if they take out the player before they are over the ball, there may not be an offside line?

Offside lines are created at a tackle when at least one player is on their feet and over the ball, which is on the ground. Each team ís offside line runs parallel to the goal line through the hindmost point of any player in the tackle or on their feet over the ball. If that point is on or behind the goal line, the offside line for that team is the goal line.

More generally, when was the last time you saw innovation like this from NZ teams? Feels like we are reacting to the world these days, not innovating with new ideas, systems or loophole exploitation

Because it's cheating and will get stopped. I expect this will be punished in future games.

I agree.

Do you think the ABs are innovating at the moment? I haven't seen it, not for years

The short passing amongst the forwards this season has been great to watch - a wonderful change from the overdone pod system.

agree.

Did we pioneer pods? I thought we had - it's that kind of thing I'd liek to see us at the forefront of

[canefan]

Did we start using the cross kick from 10? I'm happy were not using it as much as we were last season....

[nzzp]

@canefan said in Rugby World Cup news:

Did we start using the cross kick from 10? I'm happy were not using it as much as we were last season....

whoever innovated the midfield bomb needs to be beaten

[Duluth]

@nzzp said in Rugby World Cup news:

Did we pioneer pods? I thought we had - it's that kind of thing I'd liek to see us at the forefront of

I though Henry or Hansen bought a version of it back from the NH? Crusaders created one of the patterns (2-4-2 I think?)

Hard to imagine pods going away, maybe different splits?

[reprobate]

Don't think too many other countries have cottoned on to our specialist left wing bench spot innovation yet.