It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.
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@Bovidae said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This place will be fun if we get a repeat of the Cantablacks of the Mitchell/Deans era. There might be some TSF favourites on the outer.
If you're lucky I might start posting again.
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page.No. Foster had the chance to nominate, he didn't. NZR didn't wait until the good coaches were all taken by other sides. Good on them, sound business decision. They said in public Foster could put his hat in the ring.
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
People keep using their office analogies so here’s one.
You are employed on contract to deliver something by the end of the year. The employer says you can apply now to extend your contract but the decision wont be based on whether you successfully deliver what you are working towards.
Your team now sees you as a dead duck and have one eye on keeping the new guy happy.@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page.No. Foster had the chance to nominate, he didn't. NZR didn't wait until the good coaches were all taken by other sides. Good on them, sound business decision. They said in public Foster could put his hat in the ring.
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
People keep using their office analogies so here’s one.
You are employed on contract to deliver something by the end of the year. The employer says you can apply now to extend your contract but the decision wont be based on whether you successfully deliver what you are working towards.
Your team now sees you as a dead duck and have one eye on keeping the new guy happy.Nope. I've worked in an office on major projects and that makes no sense to me. It's a RWC. The last/big goal for many of these players.
They're not going to run slower, miss tackles or breakdance on the field to impress the 2024 coach. -
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page.No. Foster had the chance to nominate, he didn't. NZR didn't wait until the good coaches were all taken by other sides. Good on them, sound business decision. They said in public Foster could put his hat in the ring.
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
People keep using their office analogies so here’s one.
You are employed on contract to deliver something by the end of the year. The employer says you can apply now to extend your contract but the decision wont be based on whether you successfully deliver what you are working towards.
Your team now sees you as a dead duck and have one eye on keeping the new guy happy.Nope. I've worked in an office on major projects and that makes no sense to me. It's a RWC. The last/big goal for many of these players.
They're not going to run slower, miss tackles or breakdance on the field to impress the 2024 coach.oh and Foster's job targets isn't just the RWC 2023.
Even Foster’s boss, NZ Rugby chief executive Mark Robinson, felt the team’s performances against the Irish were “unacceptable”, promising a review of the series as the post-mortem into one of the darkest days in the history of the national game swung into action.Foster has already had a contract extension, of sorts, well actually a new contract.
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page.No. Foster had the chance to nominate, he didn't. NZR didn't wait until the good coaches were all taken by other sides. Good on them, sound business decision. They said in public Foster could put his hat in the ring.
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
People keep using their office analogies so here’s one.
You are employed on contract to deliver something by the end of the year. The employer says you can apply now to extend your contract but the decision wont be based on whether you successfully deliver what you are working towards.
Your team now sees you as a dead duck and have one eye on keeping the new guy happy.@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page.No. Foster had the chance to nominate, he didn't. NZR didn't wait until the good coaches were all taken by other sides. Good on them, sound business decision. They said in public Foster could put his hat in the ring.
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
People keep using their office analogies so here’s one.
You are employed on contract to deliver something by the end of the year. The employer says you can apply now to extend your contract but the decision wont be based on whether you successfully deliver what you are working towards.
Your team now sees you as a dead duck and have one eye on keeping the new guy happy.To be fair that’s how things were with Foster, only fair it get’s done with the new coach too
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Sounds like he's keeping Ryan! Phew.
Edit: didn't expect this from SBW:Well done mate. Tamati Ellison as his assistant please ❤️💪🏽 https://t.co/XwyvhxoZ7C — Sonny Bill Williams (@SonnyBWilliams) March 21, 2023 -
@KiwiMurph yeah if Holland is in charge of the canes attack, I have been impressed with some of the thier running lines and players in motion they have been using.
Defence coach will be interesting....
@taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@KiwiMurph yeah if Holland is in charge of the canes attack, I have been impressed with some of the thier running lines and players in motion they have been using.
Defence coach will be interesting....
Polish heads will explode throughout the forum if McLeod doesn't lose his
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I've just deleted a lot of posts (inane shit and replies to it) to try to keep this thread readable. If you keep thread spamming with inane comments and awful "jokes" then I will ban you for a week. The next ban will be two weeks, the third ban four weeks ...
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Sounds like he's keeping Ryan! Phew.
Edit: didn't expect this from SBW:Well done mate. Tamati Ellison as his assistant please ❤️💪🏽 https://t.co/XwyvhxoZ7C — Sonny Bill Williams (@SonnyBWilliams) March 21, 2023@nostrildamus He would be defense coach, the same role he has had for the Crusaders.
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page.No. Foster had the chance to nominate, he didn't. NZR didn't wait until the good coaches were all taken by other sides. Good on them, sound business decision. They said in public Foster could put his hat in the ring.
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
People keep using their office analogies so here’s one.
You are employed on contract to deliver something by the end of the year. The employer says you can apply now to extend your contract but the decision wont be based on whether you successfully deliver what you are working towards.
Your team now sees you as a dead duck and have one eye on keeping the new guy happy.@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page.No. Foster had the chance to nominate, he didn't. NZR didn't wait until the good coaches were all taken by other sides. Good on them, sound business decision. They said in public Foster could put his hat in the ring.
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
People keep using their office analogies so here’s one.
You are employed on contract to deliver something by the end of the year. The employer says you can apply now to extend your contract but the decision wont be based on whether you successfully deliver what you are working towards.
Your team now sees you as a dead duck and have one eye on keeping the new guy happy.This makes no sense. A bunch of these guys are leaving anyway and will want to go out on a high. And winning the RWC is not commensurate with securing an AB squad place in 2024, just like a spot in this year's RWC squad was not entirely dependent on results from last year
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page.No. Foster had the chance to nominate, he didn't. NZR didn't wait until the good coaches were all taken by other sides. Good on them, sound business decision. They said in public Foster could put his hat in the ring.
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
People keep using their office analogies so here’s one.
You are employed on contract to deliver something by the end of the year. The employer says you can apply now to extend your contract but the decision wont be based on whether you successfully deliver what you are working towards.
Your team now sees you as a dead duck and have one eye on keeping the new guy happy.@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
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Sounds like he's keeping Ryan! Phew.
Edit: didn't expect this from SBW:Well done mate. Tamati Ellison as his assistant please ❤️💪🏽 https://t.co/XwyvhxoZ7C — Sonny Bill Williams (@SonnyBWilliams) March 21, 2023@nostrildamus not a bad addition id say
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
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@nostrildamus not a bad addition id say
@BerhamporeNinja said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus not a bad addition id say
On merit, but I hope some of the assistants are from beyond Canterbury.
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@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
@BerhamporeNinja said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
I'll ne shocked if he isn't there. The only way he doesn't make it is if he turns Razor down
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@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
@BerhamporeNinja said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
Or was Plumtree just doing an awful job!
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@BerhamporeNinja said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
Or was Plumtree just doing an awful job!
@Bones said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@BerhamporeNinja said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
Or was Plumtree just doing an awful job!
Can't both be true?
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@Chris-B Ryans a must he's done an awesome job so far
@BerhamporeNinja I'll be extremely surprised if he's not.
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
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@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
We’re going over old ground now. Fosters best/only chance is based on completion of the job he was employed to do. That option was taken away.
Thing is - Fozzie's not employed just to win the RWC.
He should have to stand on his record at the point NZR decide to recruit - not be given the chance to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end (a chance no other potential candidate gets).
If he'd simply won more games he would have had a chance in this process. If he was sitting there with Sir Grahams record in early-2007 he'd likely have been a shoe-in.
I think it's a good thing that the future has been clarified. And on the other side of the coin, Fozzie gets his shot at winning a RWC and I'm fully behind him. Give him what he needs to win. If he's got assistants who are going to bail (as one article I saw today suggested) then maybe they're not the guys we need anyway. It should be a privilege to be on the AB coaching staff.
For what it's worth, I think (and hope) we'll get Ryan, Leon and Holland as Razor's lead assistants. I wouldn't mind seeing Smithy or Hansen in a mentoring role. I'm not convinced we need other old guys in the core team - maybe a few losses will change my tune.
I agree with you apart from Hansen. I suspect he has a little bit of an ax to grind still and I think its time for some fresher tactics/strategy. As manager might be ok.
Schmidt in a mentor role would work for me. NH knowledge, seems happy to be out of the limelight. Allow him to hang with the team when they are in NZ and he doesn't have to travel which probably suits his family situation. If Smith isn't keen of course....
