It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.
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@SBW1 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kiwiwomble One thing is for sure there is going to be a real vacum left in the Super Franchises with coaches leaving for the All Black spot. With the possible signing of Brad Shields, it would be good to have a slight reversal of our player exodus.
A good problem to have, finally having super rugby coach's step up to the AB level instead of just heading overseas.
The "must have international experience" line always bugged me as it basically guaranteed that our best and brightest rugby coaching talent "had to" go overseas and we'd just hope they'd come back at some stage.
Exporting all your best talent out to the opposition doesn't seem like the smartest development pathway for an organization to take...
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@Windows97 I think we need to either keep Leon at the Blues or include him as an assistant. It would be terrible loosing him to Scotland after coaching a development All Black squad, he has too much inside knowledge.
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@Machpants said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
I just clicked that razors four years doesn't have a mid way check, it's a four year contract. That's the first in a while.
personally i think that's a good thing
The two year review rarely results in a change, it just gives the fucking media something to speculate over.
You can still fire him if he sucks, you just don't have a set date where the media will try to make a decision for you
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Machpants said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
I just clicked that razors four years doesn't have a mid way check, it's a four year contract. That's the first in a while.
personally i think that's a good thing
The two year review rarely results in a change, it just gives the fucking media something to speculate over.
You can still fire him if he sucks, you just don't have a set date where the media will try to make a decision for you
agreed, and after reading some of the names in the veterans thread, maybe he's sold them on a bit of a rebuild, make those that are hanging around prove themselves again and give some new guys a chance, which would all take time
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@SBW1 you may get your wish.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/1639064248562356224
@KiwiMurph Have heard he will be an assistant AB coach. Some good candidates to replace him at the Blues.
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@KiwiMurph Have heard he will be an assistant AB coach. Some good candidates to replace him at the Blues.
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@Kiwiwomble One thing is for sure there is going to be a real vacum left in the Super Franchises with coaches leaving for the All Black spot. With the possible signing of Brad Shields, it would be good to have a slight reversal of our player exodus.
@SBW1 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
With the possible signing of Brad Shields, it would be good to have a slight reversal of our player exodus.
That's not really a really a reversal of our player exodus, it's a foreigner taking a NZ player's spot.
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@Frank said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wonder with that gossip about Ryan snubbing Razor once he got the AB gig and Razor mentioning the word 'loyalty' in his coaching team that he might bypass Jason Ryan.
Seems unlikely, but wondering if it is a possibility.
Any sauces from the Canterbury guys here?
I doubt Ryan would be so short-sighted but if true that would be a shame, the forwards noticeably improved when he joined the AB coaches.
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Frank said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wonder with that gossip about Ryan snubbing Razor once he got the AB gig and Razor mentioning the word 'loyalty' in his coaching team that he might bypass Jason Ryan.
Seems unlikely, but wondering if it is a possibility.
Any sauces from the Canterbury guys here?
I doubt Ryan would be so short-sighted but if true that would be a shame, the forwards noticeably improved when he joined the AB coaches.
It isn't the forwards performance which is the issue, it's the consistency. They went walkabout in the 2nd half against England in the same way as they did against France in '21 and often against Ireland last year. Fixing that is key.
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Frank said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wonder with that gossip about Ryan snubbing Razor once he got the AB gig and Razor mentioning the word 'loyalty' in his coaching team that he might bypass Jason Ryan.
Seems unlikely, but wondering if it is a possibility.
Any sauces from the Canterbury guys here?
I doubt Ryan would be so short-sighted but if true that would be a shame, the forwards noticeably improved when he joined the AB coaches.
It isn't the forwards performance which is the issue, it's the consistency. They went walkabout in the 2nd half against England in the same way as they did against France in '21 and often against Ireland last year. Fixing that is key.
@Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Frank said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wonder with that gossip about Ryan snubbing Razor once he got the AB gig and Razor mentioning the word 'loyalty' in his coaching team that he might bypass Jason Ryan.
Seems unlikely, but wondering if it is a possibility.
Any sauces from the Canterbury guys here?
I doubt Ryan would be so short-sighted but if true that would be a shame, the forwards noticeably improved when he joined the AB coaches.
It isn't the forwards performance which is the issue, it's the consistency. They went walkabout in the 2nd half against England in the same way as they did against France in '21 and often against Ireland last year. Fixing that is key.
Disagree. Overall the tight 5 in particular has improved.
The bench however often kills us, in depth, forgotten tactics, or timing. -
@Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Frank said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wonder with that gossip about Ryan snubbing Razor once he got the AB gig and Razor mentioning the word 'loyalty' in his coaching team that he might bypass Jason Ryan.
Seems unlikely, but wondering if it is a possibility.
Any sauces from the Canterbury guys here?
I doubt Ryan would be so short-sighted but if true that would be a shame, the forwards noticeably improved when he joined the AB coaches.
It isn't the forwards performance which is the issue, it's the consistency. They went walkabout in the 2nd half against England in the same way as they did against France in '21 and often against Ireland last year. Fixing that is key.
Disagree. Overall the tight 5 in particular has improved.
The bench however often kills us, in depth, forgotten tactics, or timing.@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Disagree. Overall the tight 5 in particular has improved.
They are just as inconsistent as the loosies and go AWOL just as frequently - some improvement around the ruck & maul and not making basic errors but that's about it. It's the lack of consistency and clear heads which remains the big issue to fix.
The AB forwards performance for much of the 2nd half against France in '21 was some of the best I've seen for a long time - the building blocks were there then but still need to be developed and bedded in.
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In all seriousness, this is brilliant news for NZ Rugby, for a few reasons.
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Robertson will bring an immense amount of energy and enthusiasm to the role. This has been terribly lacking under 'low energy' Ian Foster.
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Robertson is a passionate learner of the game. He spends every off-season traveling the world visiting successful teams and learning methods from successful coaches.
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Robertson teams have historically played above the sum of their parts. Players have played above themselves under his systems. Over the last four years players have consistently struggled for form whilst with the AB's. It's because the systems were not conducive to playing well.
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I expect Robertson to bring plenty of innovation to the All Blacks. After 4 shitty years of structure-less attack, flat attacking backlines and ridiculous pod systems that simply allowed other teams to dominate numbers at the breakdown, I expect this will be a new and exciting era for the All Blacks.
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Robertson has shown that he is excellent at developing young talent. And that will be crucial over the next 4 years. With experienced All Blacks departing NZ, we need a coach who can introduce new talent into the team, develop their confidence whilst also harnessing their enthusiasm and energy. When was the last time a young new All Black played with confidence under Foster?
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I suspect part of what gave Robertson the edge over someone like Jamie Joseph is that he's NZ based. He knows the NZ players better. This will be vital as over the next few years selection is going to be absolutely critical. Identifying and selecting the right players will be crucial.
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I also think this appointment sends a great message to NZ coaches. It says that you can stay in NZ Rugby and still reach the top. Previously we've had the ridiculous inference that if you want to coach the AB's you've got to leave NZ and coach overseas. And all this has done is exacerbate the brain-drain of talented coaches offshore. Why would we deliberately encourage our best and most aspirational coaches to leave NZ? It's the opposite of what we try and do with our players, by only picking locally based players for the AB's.
@kiwi_expat said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
In all seriousness, this is brilliant news for NZ Rugby, for a few reasons.
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Robertson will bring an immense amount of energy and enthusiasm to the role. This has been terribly lacking under 'low energy' Ian Foster.
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Robertson is a passionate learner of the game. He spends every off-season traveling the world visiting successful teams and learning methods from successful coaches.
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Robertson teams have historically played above the sum of their parts. Players have played above themselves under his systems. Over the last four years players have consistently struggled for form whilst with the AB's. It's because the systems were not conducive to playing well.
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I expect Robertson to bring plenty of innovation to the All Blacks. After 4 shitty years of structure-less attack, flat attacking backlines and ridiculous pod systems that simply allowed other teams to dominate numbers at the breakdown, I expect this will be a new and exciting era for the All Blacks.
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Robertson has shown that he is excellent at developing young talent. And that will be crucial over the next 4 years. With experienced All Blacks departing NZ, we need a coach who can introduce new talent into the team, develop their confidence whilst also harnessing their enthusiasm and energy. When was the last time a young new All Black played with confidence under Foster?
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I suspect part of what gave Robertson the edge over someone like Jamie Joseph is that he's NZ based. He knows the NZ players better. This will be vital as over the next few years selection is going to be absolutely critical. Identifying and selecting the right players will be crucial.
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I also think this appointment sends a great message to NZ coaches. It says that you can stay in NZ Rugby and still reach the top. Previously we've had the ridiculous inference that if you want to coach the AB's you've got to leave NZ and coach overseas. And all this has done is exacerbate the brain-drain of talented coaches offshore. Why would we deliberately encourage our best and most aspirational coaches to leave NZ? It's the opposite of what we try and do with our players, by only picking locally based players for the AB's.
BAM! MIC DROPPED THAT BITCH.
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I just don't see the problem here. The current coach will end his contract when we lose at the QF of the RWC. A replacement will be required and that replacement has been named.
Actually I think the laws of retardation mean we might actually win it. But damn I've never been so can't give af about a RWC. Says alot about the last 3 years.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
I just don't see the problem here. The current coach will end his contract when we lose at the QF of the RWC. A replacement will be required and that replacement has been named.
Actually I think the laws of retardation mean we might actually win it. But damn I've never been so can't give af about a RWC. Says alot about the last 3 years.
We might not even make it out of our pool...
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@antipodean said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
What constitutes success for the new regime? Keep Bledisloe. Win all home series, ranking?
Direction mostly for me, but a lot of people will want to judge him purely on results and want KPI's set as they did with Foster. After his first season in charge, I think anything less than keeping the Bled, the RC & not losing at EP would cause concern for a lot of people.
Losing more than 1 game on the EOYT, being below 2 or 3 in the global rankings and losing twice to Argentina would show a distinct lack of progress for an awful lot of people and the media knives will probably be unsheathed if that happens
@Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@antipodean said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
What constitutes success for the new regime? Keep Bledisloe. Win all home series, ranking?
Direction mostly for me, but a lot of people will want to judge him purely on results and want KPI's set as they did with Foster. After his first season in charge, I think anything less than keeping the Bled, the RC & not losing at EP would cause concern for a lot of people.
Losing more than 1 game on the EOYT, being below 2 or 3 in the global rankings and losing twice to Argentina would show a distinct lack of progress for an awful lot of people and the media knives will probably be unsheathed if that happens
Its no secret I'm a big Razor fanboi. But he's gotta win. Just because I wanted him in the job before the end of year tour 2021, doesn't mean he gets a season to warm up. The team has steadily declined first under Hansen then Foster. We can't accept more first losses, series losses, record losses etc. He's got a year to formulate his game plan with his crew. A year to do homework. Losing the Bled etc is inexcusable. As much as I want him in the top job, he still has expectations to fulfil.
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@kiwi_expat said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/rugby/ronan-ogara-all-blacks-285643
Article says nothing really. Which is a shame.
O'Gara was one of the best game controllers of his time. What he lacked in spark, he more than made up in tactical ability.
Fair to say something we have the opposite problem with at the moment.
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@kiwi_expat said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/rugby/ronan-ogara-all-blacks-285643
Article says nothing really. Which is a shame.
O'Gara was one of the best game controllers of his time. What he lacked in spark, he more than made up in tactical ability.
Fair to say something we have the opposite problem with at the moment.
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@kiwi_expat said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/rugby/ronan-ogara-all-blacks-285643
Article says nothing really. Which is a shame.
O'Gara was one of the best game controllers of his time. What he lacked in spark, he more than made up in tactical ability.
Fair to say something we have the opposite problem with at the moment.
@MajorRage yeah, might have been the perfect balance to our attack from anywhere game breakers
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I wouldn’t have a problem with him in the set-up, but I cant see us paying the money.
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@gt12 Rather not have him, he seems a good coach, but a little hot headed at times. But we got enough good coaches here anyway, we don't really need to groom other countries coaches at test level.
@Dan54 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@gt12 Rather not have him, he seems a good coach, but a little hot headed at times. But we got enough good coaches here anyway, we don't really need to groom other countries coaches at test level.
He wasn’t hot headed whilst sitting in the coaches box with Razor during games. He wasn’t hot headed when he was out on the paddock during training sessions with players. I think that’s all that matters.
Only going by what I’ve been told from those that were on the receiving end, but in terms of technical ability he is highly regarded.
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@Dan54 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@gt12 Rather not have him, he seems a good coach, but a little hot headed at times. But we got enough good coaches here anyway, we don't really need to groom other countries coaches at test level.
He wasn’t hot headed whilst sitting in the coaches box with Razor during games. He wasn’t hot headed when he was out on the paddock during training sessions with players. I think that’s all that matters.
Only going by what I’ve been told from those that were on the receiving end, but in terms of technical ability he is highly regarded.
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@ACT-Crusader wasn't he suspended for some shit as a coach? But it's not really that even worries me. lets keepit to kiwi coaches is my main theme,I do think O'Gara seems a bloody good coach though.
@Dan54 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@ACT-Crusader wasn't he suspended for some shit as a coach? But it's not really that even worries me. lets keepit to kiwi coaches is my main theme,I do think O'Gara seems a bloody good coach though.
I don't think it should matter. Mick Bryne was an All Black assistant coach between 2005-2015, he wasn't a Kiwi.
