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It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.

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  • Daffy JaffyD Offline
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    Daffy Jaffy
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    #429

    Should be a fun rivalry -
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    Plus Eddie!

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    • NepiaN Nepia

      @ACT-Crusader said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

      @Nepia said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

      @canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

      @Kiwiwomble said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

      @canefan the list of players that command that kind of respect seems to be dwindling, everyone seems to some question marks

      At least Scooter appears to command his own spot in the team now

      Now? Unless he's Fozzie's nailed on 6 then he doesn't command his own spot now.

      He started every test that he was available for last year. Only come off the bench twice in the last 2 years.

      Regardless, do you think he starts ahead of one of Whitelock/Retallick if they're both fit this year?

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      @Nepia said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

      @ACT-Crusader said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

      @Nepia said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

      @canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

      @Kiwiwomble said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

      @canefan the list of players that command that kind of respect seems to be dwindling, everyone seems to some question marks

      At least Scooter appears to command his own spot in the team now

      Now? Unless he's Fozzie's nailed on 6 then he doesn't command his own spot now.

      He started every test that he was available for last year. Only come off the bench twice in the last 2 years.

      Regardless, do you think he starts ahead of one of Whitelock/Retallick if they're both fit this year?

      Nope. It is a three-pronged beast. The step down after these guys is too big at the very top.
      Scooter is most certainly a squad member but it can't be as a 6. We need him to be the bench/backup lock as well. He can cover 6 in times of injury.
      We still need to nail down a starting 6.

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      • kiwi_expatK Offline
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        #431

        a few more questions still to be answered

        who will replace Gilbert Enoka as the mental skills coach, will longtime All Blacks manager (since 2004) Darren Shand stay on post 2023?

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        • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

          a few more questions still to be answered

          who will replace Gilbert Enoka as the mental skills coach, will longtime All Blacks manager (since 2004) Darren Shand stay on post 2023?

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          #432

          @kiwi_expat said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

          a few more questions still to be answered

          who will replace Gilbert Enoka as the mental skills coach, will longtime All Blacks manager (since 2004) Darren Shand stay on post 2023?

          Why would he need a mental skills coach?

          Hasn't Robertson got a unique and outstanding ability to manage & breed mental toughness into his players - especially in knock-out games or finals - which is why he's so successful?

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          • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

            @kiwi_expat said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

            a few more questions still to be answered

            who will replace Gilbert Enoka as the mental skills coach, will longtime All Blacks manager (since 2004) Darren Shand stay on post 2023?

            Why would he need a mental skills coach?

            Hasn't Robertson got a unique and outstanding ability to manage & breed mental toughness into his players - especially in knock-out games or finals - which is why he's so successful?

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            @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

            @kiwi_expat said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

            a few more questions still to be answered

            who will replace Gilbert Enoka as the mental skills coach, will longtime All Blacks manager (since 2004) Darren Shand stay on post 2023?

            Why would we need a mental skills coach?

            because most teams do? even our SR franchises have them

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            • Daffy JaffyD Daffy Jaffy

              Should be a fun rivalry -
              1a393df0-9316-421e-87ce-c64efd1f1117-image.png
              Plus Eddie!

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              @Daffy-Jaffy Rassie is a genius. Step gently aside after winning so you’re not directly in the line but still practically running the show, then have a crack at another term 4 years later.

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              • game_filmG game_film

                @Daffy-Jaffy Rassie is a genius. Step gently aside after winning so you’re not directly in the line but still practically running the show, then have a crack at another term 4 years later.

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                @game_film said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                @Daffy-Jaffy Rassie is a genius. Step gently aside after winning so you’re not directly in the line but still practically running the show, then have a crack at another term 4 years later.

                Kind of like Putin and Medvedev.

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                • CrucialC Crucial

                  @Nepia said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                  @ACT-Crusader said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                  @Nepia said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                  @canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                  @Kiwiwomble said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                  @canefan the list of players that command that kind of respect seems to be dwindling, everyone seems to some question marks

                  At least Scooter appears to command his own spot in the team now

                  Now? Unless he's Fozzie's nailed on 6 then he doesn't command his own spot now.

                  He started every test that he was available for last year. Only come off the bench twice in the last 2 years.

                  Regardless, do you think he starts ahead of one of Whitelock/Retallick if they're both fit this year?

                  Nope. It is a three-pronged beast. The step down after these guys is too big at the very top.
                  Scooter is most certainly a squad member but it can't be as a 6. We need him to be the bench/backup lock as well. He can cover 6 in times of injury.
                  We still need to nail down a starting 6.

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                  @Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                  We still need to nail down a starting 6.

                  Shit, we have had since post-2017 to find one, and we are still looking.

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                  • FrankF Frank

                    @Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                    We still need to nail down a starting 6.

                    Shit, we have had since post-2017 to find one, and we are still looking.

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                    @Frank said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                    @Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                    We still need to nail down a starting 6.

                    Shit, we have had since post-2017 to find one, and we are still looking.

                    Probably one position where we need a different test player to all the Super teams. It hasn't been for want of trying but the cattle either won't or cant get into test mode.
                    Plenty of candidates that have almost the full set of attributes but all have fallen over in one or two.

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                      #438

                      And there we go finally announced

                      https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300889599/wayne-smith-to-join-all-blacks-black-ferns-as-performance-coach

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                      • ChrisC Chris

                        And there we go finally announced

                        https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300889599/wayne-smith-to-join-all-blacks-black-ferns-as-performance-coach

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                        @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                        And there we go finally announced

                        https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300889599/wayne-smith-to-join-all-blacks-black-ferns-as-performance-coach

                        Someone to coach the coach.

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                        • CrucialC Crucial

                          @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          And there we go finally announced

                          https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300889599/wayne-smith-to-join-all-blacks-black-ferns-as-performance-coach

                          Someone to coach the coach.

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                          Chris
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                          @Crucial

                          Perfect Razor approached him so good move.

                          Maybe Foster could have done with a mentor or maybe that was a lost cause.

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                          • ChrisC Chris

                            @Crucial

                            Perfect Razor approached him so good move.

                            Maybe Foster could have done with a mentor or maybe that was a lost cause.

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                            Crucial
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                            @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @Crucial

                            Perfect Razor approached him so good move.

                            Maybe Foster could have done with a mentor or maybe that was a lost cause.

                            Where does the 'Razor approached him" bit come from or are you just joking?

                            Schmidt was basically employed as Foster's mentor. This type of role just wasn't around so he was put in the direct staff.

                            Smith will be across both ABs and BFs.

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                            • CrucialC Crucial

                              @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              @Crucial

                              Perfect Razor approached him so good move.

                              Maybe Foster could have done with a mentor or maybe that was a lost cause.

                              Where does the 'Razor approached him" bit come from or are you just joking?

                              Schmidt was basically employed as Foster's mentor. This type of role just wasn't around so he was put in the direct staff.

                              Smith will be across both ABs and BFs.

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                              Chris
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                              #442

                              @Crucial

                              It comes from knowing it was going to happen and how.
                              It was part of the coaching interview process
                              Razor had him in a role, and NZR wanted to keep him involved with the Black ferns as well so it had to be worked through.
                              A couple of us on the fern have given enough hints Smith was to be involved ever since Razor was appointed.

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                                Media release

                                https://www.allblacks.com/news/wayne-smith-appointed-as-performance-coach-for-the-black-ferns-and-all-blacks/

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                                • ChrisC Chris

                                  @Crucial

                                  It comes from knowing it was going to happen and how.
                                  It was part of the coaching interview process
                                  Razor had him in a role, and NZR wanted to keep him involved with the Black ferns as well so it had to be worked through.
                                  A couple of us on the fern have given enough hints Smith was to be involved ever since Razor was appointed.

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                                  Crucial
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                                  @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @Crucial

                                  It comes from knowing it was going to happen and how.
                                  It was part of the coaching interview process
                                  Razor had him in a role, and NZR wanted to keep him involved with the Black ferns as well so it had to be worked through.
                                  A couple of us on the fern have given enough hints Smith was to be involved ever since Razor was appointed.

                                  So it was a mutual desire (Razor and NZR) and something being worked on anyway (for BFs). That's what I expected.
                                  I guess that if you want to spin it as Razor approached him, like it was all his great idea then fine.

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                                  • CrucialC Crucial

                                    @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                    @Crucial

                                    It comes from knowing it was going to happen and how.
                                    It was part of the coaching interview process
                                    Razor had him in a role, and NZR wanted to keep him involved with the Black ferns as well so it had to be worked through.
                                    A couple of us on the fern have given enough hints Smith was to be involved ever since Razor was appointed.

                                    So it was a mutual desire (Razor and NZR) and something being worked on anyway (for BFs). That's what I expected.
                                    I guess that if you want to spin it as Razor approached him, like it was all his great idea then fine.

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                                    @Crucial Whatever spin you will put on it yourself, it is great news.

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                                    • O Old Samurai Jack

                                      @Crucial Whatever spin you will put on it yourself, it is great news.

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                                      @Old-Samurai-Jack yep, I couldnt give a rats if Razor approached Smith or if NZR told Razor he had Smith as his mentor, either way, it's a win!

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                                      • CrucialC Crucial

                                        @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                        @Crucial

                                        It comes from knowing it was going to happen and how.
                                        It was part of the coaching interview process
                                        Razor had him in a role, and NZR wanted to keep him involved with the Black ferns as well so it had to be worked through.
                                        A couple of us on the fern have given enough hints Smith was to be involved ever since Razor was appointed.

                                        So it was a mutual desire (Razor and NZR) and something being worked on anyway (for BFs). That's what I expected.
                                        I guess that if you want to spin it as Razor approached him, like it was all his great idea then fine.

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                                        Stargazer
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                                        @Crucial You sound a bit butthurt that Razor got the head coach gig with all your comments about him in this thread since his appointment. Razor knows Smith well. Why is it so hard for you to believe that Razor asked for him to be in that role? Who knows; maybe that's where it started, and NZR decided to extend that role to the Black Ferns. Does it really matter?

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                                        • StargazerS Stargazer

                                          @Crucial You sound a bit butthurt that Razor got the head coach gig with all your comments about him in this thread since his appointment. Razor knows Smith well. Why is it so hard for you to believe that Razor asked for him to be in that role? Who knows; maybe that's where it started, and NZR decided to extend that role to the Black Ferns. Does it really matter?

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                                          @Stargazer said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          @Crucial You sound a bit butthurt that Razor got the head coach gig with all your comments about him in this thread since his appointment. Razor knows Smith well. Why is it so hard for you to believe that Razor asked for him to be in that role? Who knows; maybe that's where it started, and NZR decided to extend that role to the Black Ferns. Does it really matter?

                                          Not butthurt at all. I truly hope he does a good job.
                                          I commented on a comment that had no verified support.
                                          What I have always done is try to temper the 'Razor is the Saviour and walks on water' stuff.
                                          Give the bloke a chance to see how he goes in international rugby. It is a different world to planning and executing a long comp, the tolerances for accepted performances are much much less and the problems that NZ rugby have are much more than having a fat guy in charge.
                                          If Razor and Smith worked this out and approached NZR then great. I just haven't seen any evidence of that backed up.
                                          Given the amount of people that claim they know exactly what has been said and done between coaches and employers on this thread there must be one hell of grapevine and a lot of loose lips in Canterbury.

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