It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.
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The comment is only made when people fail to acknowledge the difference of the challenge, the difference of the organisation (Crusaders v NZR) and associated politics, and bite back when these things are raised.
I totally get that he can be seen as an exciting possibility but I have seen too much over the years with both players and coaches where Cantab success does not translate to AB success and the rhetoric stays the same.
I really do hope that it doesn't turn out that his success doesn't translate, but I'm not blind to the possibility.
If you look back, NZR aren't blind to that as well and have taken a previous approach of " success in one comp isn't enough. Come back and convince us that you can translate that to the international stage".
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you know, given the chat on here, and the constant appointments, it appears we have only had one decent coach come out of NZ in the last 20 years
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@Stargazer said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial You sound a bit butthurt that Razor got the head coach gig with all your comments about him in this thread since his appointment. Razor knows Smith well. Why is it so hard for you to believe that Razor asked for him to be in that role? Who knows; maybe that's where it started, and NZR decided to extend that role to the Black Ferns. Does it really matter?
Not butthurt at all. I truly hope he does a good job.
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What I have always done is try to temper the 'Razor is the Saviour and walks on water' stuff.
Give the bloke a chance to see how he goes in international rugby. It is a different world to planning and executing a long comp, the tolerances for accepted performances are much much less and the problems that NZ rugby have are much more than having a fat guy in charge.
If Razor and Smith worked this out and approached NZR then great. I just haven't seen any evidence of that backed up.
Given the amount of people that claim they know exactly what has been said and done between coaches and employers on this thread there must be one hell of grapevine and a lot of loose lips in Canterbury.If you look back on threads a couple of us posted Wayne Smith would be involved in Razor's coaching group straight after he was appointed.
You believe what you like about how we knew that but we aren't going to bleat how we knew all over hear to piss off the people who told us.I don't care what you believe to be honest, Smith is added to Razors group as we Said it would happen and everyone is better off for it I think, and that is all that matters to us AB fans.
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you know, given the chat on here, and the constant appointments, it appears we have only had one decent coach come out of NZ in the last 20 years
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
you know, given the chat on here, and the constant appointments, it appears we have only had one decent coach come out of NZ in the last 20 years
John Mitchell?
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@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
you know, given the chat on here, and the constant appointments, it appears we have only had one decent coach come out of NZ in the last 20 years
John Mitchell?
@chimoaus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
you know, given the chat on here, and the constant appointments, it appears we have only had one decent coach come out of NZ in the last 20 years
John Mitchell?
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If you look back on threads a couple of us posted Wayne Smith would be involved in Razor's coaching group straight after he was appointed.
You believe what you like about how we knew that but we aren't going to bleat how we knew all over hear to piss off the people who told us.I don't care what you believe to be honest, Smith is added to Razors group as we Said it would happen and everyone is better off for it I think, and that is all that matters to us AB fans.
@Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
If you look back on threads a couple of us posted Wayne Smith would be involved in Razor's coaching group straight after he was appointed.
You believe what you like about how we knew that but we aren't going to bleat how we knew all over hear to piss off the people who told us.I don't care what you believe to be honest, Smith is added to Razors group as we Said it would happen and everyone is better off for it I think, and that is all that matters to us AB fans.
Yep Chris but you also told us Crusader's job was all tied up too mate. But if it gives you ups hinting you know people who are spilling things they perhaps shouldn't great! I don't think Crucial was getting at you just said, there is no indication from any write ups that was case.
I personally really wrapt we got Smithy in job, and I personally think it great, even if it says that perhaps as Mariner says it would appear that Smith is the only coach in last 20 years who has got credo with NZR.
And I must admit I didn't get all the hints on here that Smithy was involved , or that he was going to be. I don't really read too deeply all posts anyway, as we all have to take them with a dose of salt. -
And to be honest, didn't Mark Robinson talk about looking to bring Smithy after the Women's world cup? He was being asked if he thought Smith would be man to take BFs forward, and replied that NZR were very keen to find ways of using Smith's knowledge etc going forward although he had made it clear he was doing BFs only for WC.
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@Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
If you look back on threads a couple of us posted Wayne Smith would be involved in Razor's coaching group straight after he was appointed.
You believe what you like about how we knew that but we aren't going to bleat how we knew all over hear to piss off the people who told us.I don't care what you believe to be honest, Smith is added to Razors group as we Said it would happen and everyone is better off for it I think, and that is all that matters to us AB fans.
Yep Chris but you also told us Crusader's job was all tied up too mate. But if it gives you ups hinting you know people who are spilling things they perhaps shouldn't great! I don't think Crucial was getting at you just said, there is no indication from any write ups that was case.
I personally really wrapt we got Smithy in job, and I personally think it great, even if it says that perhaps as Mariner says it would appear that Smith is the only coach in last 20 years who has got credo with NZR.
And I must admit I didn't get all the hints on here that Smithy was involved , or that he was going to be. I don't really read too deeply all posts anyway, as we all have to take them with a dose of salt. -
I wasn't too impressed with the assistant AB coaches chosen but I'm considerably more optimistic today, it's good news to me. Sounds like a very flexible role without head coach pressure so ideal for the Professor.
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Haha Mr Rugby who tries to tell us how all rugby boards work because you are an expert,
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@Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Haha Mr Rugby who tries to tell us how all rugby boards work because you are an expert,
Thank for your inputYou upset or something?
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@Crucial I don't belong to the "Razor is the Saviour" group, but to me you sound overly negative. If Razor doesn't get the results; people will moan, because people moan a lot, not the least on the Fern. That would happen regardless of who was appointed. I can understand the excitement about Razor's appointment though, because he's been highly successful thus far, things haven't gone well the previous years and people just want to have hope that the ABs will get back to their best. Razor is different from other candidates, because he's younger, radiates energy and sounds like someone who'll come in with fresh ideas and methods. I don't think that excitement needs to be tempered on here. I think most Ferners are realistic enough to know that Razor can't change water into wine.
@Stargazer said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial I don't belong to the "Razor is the Saviour" group, but to me you sound overly negative. If Razor doesn't get the results; people will moan, because people moan a lot, not the least on the Fern. That would happen regardless of who was appointed. I can understand the excitement about Razor's appointment though, because he's been highly successful thus far, things haven't gone well the previous years and people just want to have hope that the ABs will get back to their best. Razor is different from other candidates, because he's younger, radiates energy and sounds like someone who'll come in with fresh ideas and methods. I don't think that excitement needs to be tempered on here. I think most Ferners are realistic enough to know that Razor can't change water into wine.
He can’t? Ah gutted. Thanks for the heads up though. It’s amazing the insider tips you pick up on this forum.
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I'd say the vast majority here are simply in the anyone but Foster camp. The same will apply to Razor if he has the same lack of success.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
I'd say the vast majority here are simply in the anyone but Foster camp. The same will apply to Razor if he has the same lack of success.
I don't think your 2nd sentence is true at all. Winning clearly matters, and it enables you to look past heaps of faults. Losing sucks, and is not well tolerated by the AB fans, this forum being no exception.
However, the most frustrating thing about Foster is the lack of ambition and the lack of accountability. Doing the same shit over and over, and telling us that it's so close to clicking. Telling us he would address physicality then doing nothing of the sort. Selecting the same tired folk in the same positions, ignoring things that were staring the rest of us in the face until his hand was forced.
I can't see Razor doing any of these things in his stint as HC. He will be innovative and unafraid to try new things. Hopefully he even shows some accountability for the things that don't work. Even if he doesn't have immediate success, I think that will earn him far more leeway from the average fan that what Foster has been afforded.
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If only Foster, on suspecting then learning he won't be AB Coach after the RWC had had the gumption to say "Oh well, learnings!"
