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It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

    @Tim said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

    Biggest wish for next year: a Restarts and Exits Coach.

    What's so difficult about it that it needs a dedicated coach? That sort of stuff should be Pro Rugby 101 like throwing into a lineout surely.

    Yep but at high level a things need proper skills to execute real well. Kicking and catching high kicks are rugby 101, but still have skills coaches to enchance things. Same as lineouts everything, even passing is a thing that skills coaches work on.

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    I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times

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      I have to wonder about Razors assistant selections with some of the evidence we are seeing in Super
      Holland and his terrible sub calls and Rangi with his kicking tactics
      Early touch from Perofeta in his own half and he puts the same short cross field bomb low percentage kick that we have seen BB doing. Obviously a coached thing and if it’s not directly coming from Rangi then he should be stopping it.
      The subbing of Roigard at 60 for Booth continues. Roigards importance to the Canes at the moment is equal to Ardie. He’s not flagging fitness wise so keep him on.

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        I have to wonder about Razors assistant selections with some of the evidence we are seeing in Super
        Holland and his terrible sub calls and Rangi with his kicking tactics
        Early touch from Perofeta in his own half and he puts the same short cross field bomb low percentage kick that we have seen BB doing. Obviously a coached thing and if it’s not directly coming from Rangi then he should be stopping it.
        The subbing of Roigard at 60 for Booth continues. Roigards importance to the Canes at the moment is equal to Ardie. He’s not flagging fitness wise so keep him on.

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        @Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

        I have to wonder about Razors assistant selections with some of the evidence we are seeing in Super
        Holland and his terrible sub calls and Rangi with his kicking tactics
        Early touch from Perofeta in his own half and he puts the same short cross field bomb low percentage kick that we have seen BB doing. Obviously a coached thing and if it’s not directly coming from Rangi then he should be stopping it.
        The subbing of Roigard at 60 for Booth continues. Roigards importance to the Canes at the moment is equal to Ardie. He’s not flagging fitness wise so keep him on.

        Hopefully both Holland and McDonald are better assistants than they are HCs

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          @Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

          I have to wonder about Razors assistant selections with some of the evidence we are seeing in Super
          Holland and his terrible sub calls and Rangi with his kicking tactics
          Early touch from Perofeta in his own half and he puts the same short cross field bomb low percentage kick that we have seen BB doing. Obviously a coached thing and if it’s not directly coming from Rangi then he should be stopping it.
          The subbing of Roigard at 60 for Booth continues. Roigards importance to the Canes at the moment is equal to Ardie. He’s not flagging fitness wise so keep him on.

          Hopefully both Holland and McDonald are better assistants than they are HCs

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          If the Blues 'make the Super final, Leon will end up with the second best winning percentage of any Blues coach (currently tied with Sloan). He's already the "winningest".

          Short memories of how poor they were before he took over.

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          • CrucialC Crucial

            I have to wonder about Razors assistant selections with some of the evidence we are seeing in Super
            Holland and his terrible sub calls and Rangi with his kicking tactics
            Early touch from Perofeta in his own half and he puts the same short cross field bomb low percentage kick that we have seen BB doing. Obviously a coached thing and if it’s not directly coming from Rangi then he should be stopping it.
            The subbing of Roigard at 60 for Booth continues. Roigards importance to the Canes at the moment is equal to Ardie. He’s not flagging fitness wise so keep him on.

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            @Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

            I have to wonder about Razors assistant selections with some of the evidence we are seeing in Super
            Holland and his terrible sub calls and Rangi with his kicking tactics
            Early touch from Perofeta in his own half and he puts the same short cross field bomb low percentage kick that we have seen BB doing. Obviously a coached thing and if it’s not directly coming from Rangi then he should be stopping it.
            The subbing of Roigard at 60 for Booth continues. Roigards importance to the Canes at the moment is equal to Ardie. He’s not flagging fitness wise so keep him on.

            There were similar kicks by the NZ 20s yesterday.

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              @canefan

              If the Blues 'make the Super final, Leon will end up with the second best winning percentage of any Blues coach (currently tied with Sloan). He's already the "winningest".

              Short memories of how poor they were before he took over.

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              @Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

              @canefan

              If the Blues 'make the Super final, Leon will end up with the second best winning percentage of any Blues coach (currently tied with Sloan). He's already the "winningest".

              Short memories of how poor they were before he took over.

              2ed46017-2e24-474a-99b9-b169dd27c86e-image.png

              That isn't saying much. After GH, I'd say the Blues have been a study in futility. Leon doesn't seem to win the big ones when it matters

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                The Blues - where not so great coaches go to confirm they are not so great coaches.

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                  The Blues - where not so great coaches go to confirm they are not so great coaches.

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                  @Frank said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                  The Blues - where not so great coaches go to confirm they not so great coaches.

                  GH was the Blues GOAT. All the rest were pretty blah. Even Sloan's cup winning season was with GH as an advisor

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                    @Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                    I have to wonder about Razors assistant selections with some of the evidence we are seeing in Super
                    Holland and his terrible sub calls and Rangi with his kicking tactics
                    Early touch from Perofeta in his own half and he puts the same short cross field bomb low percentage kick that we have seen BB doing. Obviously a coached thing and if it’s not directly coming from Rangi then he should be stopping it.
                    The subbing of Roigard at 60 for Booth continues. Roigards importance to the Canes at the moment is equal to Ardie. He’s not flagging fitness wise so keep him on.

                    Hopefully both Holland and McDonald are better assistants than they are HCs

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                    @canefan have to assume they realise the difference between super and test and as such tactics are different, and Razor will be ultimately setting these

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                      @Frank said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                      The Blues - where not so great coaches go to confirm they not so great coaches.

                      GH was the Blues GOAT. All the rest were pretty blah. Even Sloan's cup winning season was with GH as an advisor

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                      @canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                      @Frank said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                      The Blues - where not so great coaches go to confirm they not so great coaches.

                      GH was the Blues GOAT. All the rest were pretty blah. Even Sloan's cup winning season was with GH as an advisor

                      Henry's teams like 14/15 of starters were AB's, should've cakewalked the comp each year & to be fair they did, except for 1999.

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                        @Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                        @canefan

                        If the Blues 'make the Super final, Leon will end up with the second best winning percentage of any Blues coach (currently tied with Sloan). He's already the "winningest".

                        Short memories of how poor they were before he took over.

                        2ed46017-2e24-474a-99b9-b169dd27c86e-image.png

                        That isn't saying much. After GH, I'd say the Blues have been a study in futility. Leon doesn't seem to win the big ones when it matters

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                        @canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                        @Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                        @canefan

                        If the Blues 'make the Super final, Leon will end up with the second best winning percentage of any Blues coach (currently tied with Sloan). He's already the "winningest".

                        Short memories of how poor they were before he took over.

                        2ed46017-2e24-474a-99b9-b169dd27c86e-image.png

                        That isn't saying much. After GH, I'd say the Blues have been a study in futility. Leon doesn't seem to win the big ones when it matters

                        Leon has improved the group's culture massively, that's the key thing he's contributed, but I'd argue he's still figuring out his best team, indecisive selections have inhibited the side from reaching their full potential since 2020, look at McMillan he knows his best team & seriously values cohesion, he would never have persisted with Plummer (2021) then RTS (2022) as his starting 12, he would've eased RTS in as a utility-sub & Heem would've been his starting 12 for the last 2 seasons since TJ Faiane's departure. McDonald lacks decisiveness with his selections and is prone to experimenting in key positions (lock, blindside, 10, 12, 15) where stability is required leading into crucial matches.

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                          @Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          @canefan

                          If the Blues 'make the Super final, Leon will end up with the second best winning percentage of any Blues coach (currently tied with Sloan). He's already the "winningest".

                          Short memories of how poor they were before he took over.

                          2ed46017-2e24-474a-99b9-b169dd27c86e-image.png

                          That isn't saying much. After GH, I'd say the Blues have been a study in futility. Leon doesn't seem to win the big ones when it matters

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                          @canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          That isn't saying much. After GH, I'd say the Blues have been a study in futility. Leon doesn't seem to win the big ones when it matters

                          Poor old Leon.

                          He wins as many Super titles as the entire history of Canes' coaches and yet their fans are rubbishing him. 🙂

                          He's been unfortunate to have to coach against Coaching Jesus, who has repeatedly thwarted him (including by having his congregation provide him with Joe Moody at a crucial juncture, when he was short on props - that intervention about to be re-tested....).

                          His Super coaching also overlapped (quite favourably) with this guy....

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                            @canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @canefan

                            If the Blues 'make the Super final, Leon will end up with the second best winning percentage of any Blues coach (currently tied with Sloan). He's already the "winningest".

                            Short memories of how poor they were before he took over.

                            2ed46017-2e24-474a-99b9-b169dd27c86e-image.png

                            That isn't saying much. After GH, I'd say the Blues have been a study in futility. Leon doesn't seem to win the big ones when it matters

                            Leon has improved the group's culture massively, that's the key thing he's contributed, but I'd argue he's still figuring out his best team, indecisive selections have inhibited the side from reaching their full potential since 2020, look at McMillan he knows his best team & seriously values cohesion, he would never have persisted with Plummer (2021) then RTS (2022) as his starting 12, he would've eased RTS in as a utility-sub & Heem would've been his starting 12 for the last 2 seasons since TJ Faiane's departure. McDonald lacks decisiveness with his selections and is prone to experimenting in key positions (lock, blindside, 10, 12, 15) where stability is required leading into crucial matches.

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                            @kiwi_expat said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            McDonald lacks decisiveness with his selections and is prone to experimenting in key positions (lock, blindside, 10, 12, 15) where stability is required leading into crucial matches.

                            He's been pretty stable at 10. The Fern has been continuously urging him to play someone other than Beauden there - and he's resisted.

                            If they are fit - I bet he plays Tuipolotou, Ioane, Barrett, Heem and Perofeta in those "experimental" positions, in the play-offs.

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                              @canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              That isn't saying much. After GH, I'd say the Blues have been a study in futility. Leon doesn't seem to win the big ones when it matters

                              Poor old Leon.

                              He wins as many Super titles as the entire history of Canes' coaches and yet their fans are rubbishing him. 🙂

                              He's been unfortunate to have to coach against Coaching Jesus, who has repeatedly thwarted him (including by having his congregation provide him with Joe Moody at a crucial juncture, when he was short on props - that intervention about to be re-tested....).

                              His Super coaching also overlapped (quite favourably) with this guy....

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                              @Chris-B Have noticed that on the social network and unfortunately on this forum where there are some who should know better start coming out of the woodwork questioning Razors credentials not only as the Crusaders head coach but the future All Black coach , any other franchise with their sort of injury toll would have already fallen by the wayside at this stage of the competition ..Not sure what part of 5 or is it 6 titles in row people dont get , if they get to the final and thats on the cards you would’nt bet against Razor or the Crusaders.

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                                @Chris-B Have noticed that on the social network and unfortunately on this forum where there are some who should know better start coming out of the woodwork questioning Razors credentials not only as the Crusaders head coach but the future All Black coach , any other franchise with their sort of injury toll would have already fallen by the wayside at this stage of the competition ..Not sure what part of 5 or is it 6 titles in row people dont get , if they get to the final and thats on the cards you would’nt bet against Razor or the Crusaders.

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                                @Steven-Harris I don't have any concerns about our selections for AB coaches and assistant coaches.

                                They may end up not winning as much (and what) we want, but they're all good choices.

                                Right now, I think Razor will be struggling to field a team that can beat the Chiefs. McMillan is a smart coach and he's got the cards in his hand - but, we will see.... if both teams get that far.

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                                  @canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @canefan

                                  If the Blues 'make the Super final, Leon will end up with the second best winning percentage of any Blues coach (currently tied with Sloan). He's already the "winningest".

                                  Short memories of how poor they were before he took over.

                                  2ed46017-2e24-474a-99b9-b169dd27c86e-image.png

                                  That isn't saying much. After GH, I'd say the Blues have been a study in futility. Leon doesn't seem to win the big ones when it matters

                                  Leon has improved the group's culture massively, that's the key thing he's contributed, but I'd argue he's still figuring out his best team, indecisive selections have inhibited the side from reaching their full potential since 2020, look at McMillan he knows his best team & seriously values cohesion, he would never have persisted with Plummer (2021) then RTS (2022) as his starting 12, he would've eased RTS in as a utility-sub & Heem would've been his starting 12 for the last 2 seasons since TJ Faiane's departure. McDonald lacks decisiveness with his selections and is prone to experimenting in key positions (lock, blindside, 10, 12, 15) where stability is required leading into crucial matches.

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                                  @kiwi_expat said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  Leon has improved the group's culture massively, that's the key thing he's contributed, but I'd argue he's still figuring out his best team, indecisive selections have inhibited the side from reaching their full potential since 2020, look at McMillan he knows his best team & seriously values cohesion, he would never have persisted with Plummer (2021) then RTS (2022) as his starting 12, he would've eased RTS in as a utility-sub & Heem would've been his starting 12 for the last 2 seasons since TJ Faiane's departure. McDonald lacks decisiveness with his selections and is prone to experimenting in key positions (lock, blindside, 10, 12, 15) where stability is required leading into crucial matches.

                                  Poor old Leon. Not only is he getting stick for the Blues performance and tactics - despite vastly improved results - he's also getting the hindsight stick for his "poor" selections.

                                  Almost as if he's being set up as the fall-guy if and when things don't go as well as we think and hope under Robertson........

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                                    @Chris-B Have noticed that on the social network and unfortunately on this forum where there are some who should know better start coming out of the woodwork questioning Razors credentials not only as the Crusaders head coach but the future All Black coach , any other franchise with their sort of injury toll would have already fallen by the wayside at this stage of the competition ..Not sure what part of 5 or is it 6 titles in row people dont get , if they get to the final and thats on the cards you would’nt bet against Razor or the Crusaders.

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                                    @Steven-Harris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                    @Chris-B Have noticed that on the social network and unfortunately on this forum where there are some who should know better start coming out of the woodwork questioning Razors credentials not only as the Crusaders head coach but the future All Black coach , any other franchise with their sort of injury toll would have already fallen by the wayside at this stage of the competition ..Not sure what part of 5 or is it 6 titles in row people dont get , if they get to the final and thats on the cards you would’nt bet against Razor or the Crusaders.

                                    Anyone got a gif of EdG doing that cry thing?

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                                      @Chris-B Have noticed that on the social network and unfortunately on this forum where there are some who should know better start coming out of the woodwork questioning Razors credentials not only as the Crusaders head coach but the future All Black coach , any other franchise with their sort of injury toll would have already fallen by the wayside at this stage of the competition ..Not sure what part of 5 or is it 6 titles in row people dont get , if they get to the final and thats on the cards you would’nt bet against Razor or the Crusaders.

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                                      The issue is expectation. Robertson has been so hyped-up on social media (and on here) that anything less than outstanding success pretty quickly is going to attract criticism.

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                                        @Steven-Harris

                                        The issue is expectation. Robertson has been so hyped-up on social media (and on here) that anything less than outstanding success pretty quickly is going to attract criticism.

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                                        @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                        @Steven-Harris

                                        The issue is expectation. Robertson has been so hyped-up on social media (and on here) that anything less than outstanding success pretty quickly is going to attract criticism.

                                        Free pass if there's injuries though, as no other team has those.

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                                          @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          @Steven-Harris

                                          The issue is expectation. Robertson has been so hyped-up on social media (and on here) that anything less than outstanding success pretty quickly is going to attract criticism.

                                          Free pass if there's injuries though, as no other team has those.

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                                          @Bones said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          @Steven-Harris

                                          The issue is expectation. Robertson has been so hyped-up on social media (and on here) that anything less than outstanding success pretty quickly is going to attract criticism.

                                          Free pass if there's injuries though, as no other team has those.

                                          Yeah. One coach's injury list is another coach's inability to select and develop a cohesive squad to cover injuries

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