It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.
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Well TF for that. Now Foster can get on with preparation for the WC without this kind of distraction hanging over the group. Must be a relief for Razor. Well done that man!
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@Kirwan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan given preparation seems to be a big part of his successes to date, he has alot of months to get himself prepared for his first naming in what, May 2024?
Geez, that is a long time to wait now...
It's weird having two All Black coaches. Modern times I guess.
We have one coach, with another taking over when he leaves. Most jobs at my work are like that -- we know the replacement well out from the actual change.
How does that differ from when Hansen was clearly going to take over from Henry? Or when Foster was basically certain to take over from Hansen? If anything it is normal procedure now.
The Wyllie-Hart era was much more bizarre.
@Chester-Draws said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan given preparation seems to be a big part of his successes to date, he has alot of months to get himself prepared for his first naming in what, May 2024?
Geez, that is a long time to wait now...
It's weird having two All Black coaches. Modern times I guess.
We have one coach, with another taking over when he leaves. Most jobs at my work are like that -- we know the replacement well out from the actual change.
How does that differ from when Hansen was clearly going to take over from Henry? Or when Foster was basically certain to take over from Hansen? If anything it is normal procedure now.
The Wyllie-Hart era was much more bizarre.
It’s very different. The examples you use were never locked in until the existing coach had finished and the existing coach had announced that they were retiring.
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……
There was zero need to make the signing now. -
@Chester-Draws said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan given preparation seems to be a big part of his successes to date, he has alot of months to get himself prepared for his first naming in what, May 2024?
Geez, that is a long time to wait now...
It's weird having two All Black coaches. Modern times I guess.
We have one coach, with another taking over when he leaves. Most jobs at my work are like that -- we know the replacement well out from the actual change.
How does that differ from when Hansen was clearly going to take over from Henry? Or when Foster was basically certain to take over from Hansen? If anything it is normal procedure now.
The Wyllie-Hart era was much more bizarre.
It’s very different. The examples you use were never locked in until the existing coach had finished and the existing coach had announced that they were retiring.
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……
There was zero need to make the signing now.@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
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@Chester-Draws said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan given preparation seems to be a big part of his successes to date, he has alot of months to get himself prepared for his first naming in what, May 2024?
Geez, that is a long time to wait now...
It's weird having two All Black coaches. Modern times I guess.
We have one coach, with another taking over when he leaves. Most jobs at my work are like that -- we know the replacement well out from the actual change.
How does that differ from when Hansen was clearly going to take over from Henry? Or when Foster was basically certain to take over from Hansen? If anything it is normal procedure now.
The Wyllie-Hart era was much more bizarre.
It’s very different. The examples you use were never locked in until the existing coach had finished and the existing coach had announced that they were retiring.
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……
There was zero need to make the signing now.@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
There was zero need to make the signing now.
Potentially to prevent their coach from signing elsewhere they needed to do it early. The question was asked of Robertson in the video above and he brushed it, but agreed there were offers
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
There was zero need to make the signing now.
Potentially to prevent their coach from signing elsewhere they needed to do it early. The question was asked of Robertson in the video above and he brushed it, but agreed there were offers
@bayimports said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
There was zero need to make the signing now.
Potentially to prevent their coach from signing elsewhere they needed to do it early. The question was asked of Robertson in the video above and he brushed it, but agreed there were offers
So where’s the elsewhere that is bigger than the ABs?
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page. -
@bayimports said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
There was zero need to make the signing now.
Potentially to prevent their coach from signing elsewhere they needed to do it early. The question was asked of Robertson in the video above and he brushed it, but agreed there were offers
So where’s the elsewhere that is bigger than the ABs?
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@bayimports said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
There was zero need to make the signing now.
Potentially to prevent their coach from signing elsewhere they needed to do it early. The question was asked of Robertson in the video above and he brushed it, but agreed there were offers
So where’s the elsewhere that is bigger than the ABs?
Secure job >> chance of an AB role and unemployment otherwise.
Reality is we're a minnow, and we can't run a process 6 months behind everyone else like we did last time. It sucks on Foster, but that is life - I think they've done this better than last time. At least we had credible candidates this time (albeit probably only 2)
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@bayimports said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
There was zero need to make the signing now.
Potentially to prevent their coach from signing elsewhere they needed to do it early. The question was asked of Robertson in the video above and he brushed it, but agreed there were offers
So where’s the elsewhere that is bigger than the ABs?
@Crucial Im not in his inner circle perhaps you can do that research?, just conveying that there was a potential reason as the question was asked, avoided, then confirmed other offers existed all while "Robbo" was smirking.
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@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page.@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page.I don't think it does any more damage than having the constant shadow of Fozzie vs Razor hanging over the squad if they waited, which has what has happened for the last 3 years.
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@bayimports said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
There was zero need to make the signing now.
Potentially to prevent their coach from signing elsewhere they needed to do it early. The question was asked of Robertson in the video above and he brushed it, but agreed there were offers
So where’s the elsewhere that is bigger than the ABs?
Secure job >> chance of an AB role and unemployment otherwise.
Reality is we're a minnow, and we can't run a process 6 months behind everyone else like we did last time. It sucks on Foster, but that is life - I think they've done this better than last time. At least we had credible candidates this time (albeit probably only 2)
@nzzp said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@bayimports said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
There was zero need to make the signing now.
Potentially to prevent their coach from signing elsewhere they needed to do it early. The question was asked of Robertson in the video above and he brushed it, but agreed there were offers
So where’s the elsewhere that is bigger than the ABs?
Secure job >> chance of an AB role and unemployment otherwise.
Reality is we're a minnow, and we can't run a process 6 months behind everyone else like we did last time. It sucks on Foster, but that is life - I think they've done this better than last time. At least we had credible candidates this time (albeit probably only 2)
And there's no more excuses if things don't improve.
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Happy for Robertson. Let him at it……..next year.
Not happy that NZR were bullied into making a decision now and have undermined the current coaching team.
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Happy for Robertson. Let him at it……..next year.
Not happy that NZR were bullied into making a decision now and have undermined the current coaching team.
They haven't. They've selected their replacement for next year. This coaching team was selected to do a job until the end of this year.
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@Chester-Draws said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Kirwan given preparation seems to be a big part of his successes to date, he has alot of months to get himself prepared for his first naming in what, May 2024?
Geez, that is a long time to wait now...
It's weird having two All Black coaches. Modern times I guess.
We have one coach, with another taking over when he leaves. Most jobs at my work are like that -- we know the replacement well out from the actual change.
How does that differ from when Hansen was clearly going to take over from Henry? Or when Foster was basically certain to take over from Hansen? If anything it is normal procedure now.
The Wyllie-Hart era was much more bizarre.
It’s very different. The examples you use were never locked in until the existing coach had finished and the existing coach had announced that they were retiring.
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……
There was zero need to make the signing now.@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Nope. Don't see that.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……
FFS. They have a RWC to win. They won't be worried about 2024 and if they are, their form will suffer anyway.
There was zero need to make the signing now.
Because NO OTHER country signs new coaches or sniffs out potential ones before RWC?
You must be drinking some strong stuff there! -
@bayimports said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
There was zero need to make the signing now.
Potentially to prevent their coach from signing elsewhere they needed to do it early. The question was asked of Robertson in the video above and he brushed it, but agreed there were offers
So where’s the elsewhere that is bigger than the ABs?
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@bayimports said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
There was zero need to make the signing now.
Potentially to prevent their coach from signing elsewhere they needed to do it early. The question was asked of Robertson in the video above and he brushed it, but agreed there were offers
So where’s the elsewhere that is bigger than the ABs?
Secure job >> chance of an AB role and unemployment otherwise.
Reality is we're a minnow, and we can't run a process 6 months behind everyone else like we did last time. It sucks on Foster, but that is life - I think they've done this better than last time. At least we had credible candidates this time (albeit probably only 2)
@nzzp said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@bayimports said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
There was zero need to make the signing now.
Potentially to prevent their coach from signing elsewhere they needed to do it early. The question was asked of Robertson in the video above and he brushed it, but agreed there were offers
So where’s the elsewhere that is bigger than the ABs?
Secure job >> chance of an AB role and unemployment otherwise.
Reality is we're a minnow, and we can't run a process 6 months behind everyone else like we did last time. It sucks on Foster, but that is life - I think they've done this better than last time. At least we had credible candidates this time (albeit probably only 2)
Not that worried about Foster himself. It’s a slight but I’m sure he can get past it.
I’m more concerned about the team and how they are being asked to be fully committed to a coach that their mutual employer isn’t. -
@nzzp said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@bayimports said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
There was zero need to make the signing now.
Potentially to prevent their coach from signing elsewhere they needed to do it early. The question was asked of Robertson in the video above and he brushed it, but agreed there were offers
So where’s the elsewhere that is bigger than the ABs?
Secure job >> chance of an AB role and unemployment otherwise.
Reality is we're a minnow, and we can't run a process 6 months behind everyone else like we did last time. It sucks on Foster, but that is life - I think they've done this better than last time. At least we had credible candidates this time (albeit probably only 2)
And there's no more excuses if things don't improve.
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Happy for Robertson. Let him at it……..next year.
Not happy that NZR were bullied into making a decision now and have undermined the current coaching team.
They haven't. They've selected their replacement for next year. This coaching team was selected to do a job until the end of this year.
@Bones said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Happy for Robertson. Let him at it……..next year.
Not happy that NZR were bullied into making a decision now and have undermined the current coaching team.
They haven't. They've selected their replacement for next year. This coaching team was selected to do a job until the end of this year.
Indeed. Better to sort it now rather than have a coach less team next year when Robertson has fucked off overseas.
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page.I don't think it does any more damage than having the constant shadow of Fozzie vs Razor hanging over the squad if they waited, which has what has happened for the last 3 years.
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
This is basically telling the players that they need to impress the next guy not listen to the current one.
Let’s say you are a Saders player and Foster tries to get you doing something that you know Razor doesn’t do and doesn’t agree with……I don't buy this at all.
In practical terms I just don't see this happening at all.
So in your example the said player is going to risk being part of the 2023 rwc squad to impress Razor for the 2024 squad - which isn't picked until at the end of the 2024 Super season?
That’s not what I am saying. Influence can be way more subtle. We talk about the top two inches and how a clear head is the key to good performances.
By going early NZR have basically given the current coach a vote of no confidence. If a player has any questions about the direction being given by Foster that is now cemented.
You don’t get good performance that way.
The team leaders will have their work cut out keeping everyone on the same page.I don't think it does any more damage than having the constant shadow of Fozzie vs Razor hanging over the squad if they waited, which has what has happened for the last 3 years.
But who created that shadow. I blame the media. Traditional and social.
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@Bones said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Happy for Robertson. Let him at it……..next year.
Not happy that NZR were bullied into making a decision now and have undermined the current coaching team.
They haven't. They've selected their replacement for next year. This coaching team was selected to do a job until the end of this year.
Indeed. Better to sort it now rather than have a coach less team next year when Robertson has fucked off overseas.
@MN5 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Bones said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Happy for Robertson. Let him at it……..next year.
Not happy that NZR were bullied into making a decision now and have undermined the current coaching team.
They haven't. They've selected their replacement for next year. This coaching team was selected to do a job until the end of this year.
Indeed. Better to sort it now rather than have a coach less team next year when Robertson has fucked off overseas.
Again. Where too? Fiji?
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@MN5 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Bones said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Happy for Robertson. Let him at it……..next year.
Not happy that NZR were bullied into making a decision now and have undermined the current coaching team.
They haven't. They've selected their replacement for next year. This coaching team was selected to do a job until the end of this year.
Indeed. Better to sort it now rather than have a coach less team next year when Robertson has fucked off overseas.
Again. Where too? Fiji?
