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2023 New Zealand U20s

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    Finn Hurley who was in last year's nz under 20 team hasn't made the cut this year

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      Is making NZ U20 very important for professional success any more? Is it enough to play Super Rugby U20 and be on a contract pathway now?

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      • K Kiwidom

        Finn Hurley who was in last year's nz under 20 team hasn't made the cut this year

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        @Kiwidom said in 2023 New Zealand U20s:

        Finn Hurley who was in last year's nz under 20 team hasn't made the cut this year

        There are better (and bigger) options at fullback like Tangitau and Springer. Spencer is another with some size.

        Also quite a few players chosen who will be eligible again in 2024, so maybe not all make the final squad this year.

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          Really? Surely there are plenty of other coaches who are better options.

          https://www.allblacks.com/news/laidlaw-to-lead-new-zealand-under-20s/

          The New Zealand Under 20 squad will be named in April.

          New Zealand Under 20 Schedule:
          Vs. Australia Under 20, Monday 29 May, Wellington
          Vs. Australia Under 20, Saturday 3 June, Wellington

          2023 World Rugby Under 20 Championship
          Pool matches:

          Vs. Wales Under 20, 24 June, Paarl Gymnasium, Paarl, South Africa
          Vs. France Under 20, 29 June, Paarl Gymnasium, Paarl, South Africa
          Vs. Japan Under 20, 4 July, Paarl Gymnasium, Paarl, South Africa

          Knock-out matches:
          Match day 4: Sunday 9 July
          Match day 5 (final): Friday 14 July

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          @Bovidae said in 2023 New Zealand U20s:

          Really? Surely there are plenty of other coaches who are better options.

          https://www.allblacks.com/news/laidlaw-to-lead-new-zealand-under-20s/

          The New Zealand Under 20 squad will be named in April.

          New Zealand Under 20 Schedule:
          Vs. Australia Under 20, Monday 29 May, Wellington
          Vs. Australia Under 20, Saturday 3 June, Wellington

          2023 World Rugby Under 20 Championship
          Pool matches:

          Vs. Wales Under 20, 24 June, Paarl Gymnasium, Paarl, South Africa
          Vs. France Under 20, 29 June, Paarl Gymnasium, Paarl, South Africa
          Vs. Japan Under 20, 4 July, Paarl Gymnasium, Paarl, South Africa

          Knock-out matches:
          Match day 4: Sunday 9 July
          Match day 5 (final): Friday 14 July

          Yeah. Odd. Saw that today.

          Are Super coaches committed until too late?
          McMillan? Coventry?

          Assume NPC coaches in the midst of prepping.

          See his ex AB7s manager is managing. Thought I'd kinda got the impression that didn't end well. But maybe not. Perhaps they're a good fit?

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            @Bovidae said in 2023 New Zealand U20s:

            Really? Surely there are plenty of other coaches who are better options.

            https://www.allblacks.com/news/laidlaw-to-lead-new-zealand-under-20s/

            The New Zealand Under 20 squad will be named in April.

            New Zealand Under 20 Schedule:
            Vs. Australia Under 20, Monday 29 May, Wellington
            Vs. Australia Under 20, Saturday 3 June, Wellington

            2023 World Rugby Under 20 Championship
            Pool matches:

            Vs. Wales Under 20, 24 June, Paarl Gymnasium, Paarl, South Africa
            Vs. France Under 20, 29 June, Paarl Gymnasium, Paarl, South Africa
            Vs. Japan Under 20, 4 July, Paarl Gymnasium, Paarl, South Africa

            Knock-out matches:
            Match day 4: Sunday 9 July
            Match day 5 (final): Friday 14 July

            Yeah. Odd. Saw that today.

            Are Super coaches committed until too late?
            McMillan? Coventry?

            Assume NPC coaches in the midst of prepping.

            See his ex AB7s manager is managing. Thought I'd kinda got the impression that didn't end well. But maybe not. Perhaps they're a good fit?

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            @booboo There is an overlap with SR, so none of them can be involved. The same will apply to NPC coaches and pre-season preparations. NZR does like to recycle coaches.

            Edit: Marty Bourke is the Canterbury coach, so it obviously depends for NPC commitments.

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            • TimT Tim

              Is making NZ U20 very important for professional success any more? Is it enough to play Super Rugby U20 and be on a contract pathway now?

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              @Tim Maybe not important for professional success, but I know from several players that they value wearing that black jersey. For some, it will be the only black jersey they'll ever wear (or the most senior black jersey, if they've played for NZ Schools).

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                Hurricanes U20 first five-eighth Isaiah Armstrong Ravula (Richie Mo'unga's nephew) didn't make the NZ U20 WTG. He has now been called up by Fiji U20.

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                  Article about Cooper Flanders.

                  https://www.rugbypass.com/news/i-got-sick-of-passing-the-ball-former-halfbacks-journey-to-new-zealand-u20s-selection-as-a-no-8/

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                    https://www.allblacks.com/news/new-zealand-under-20-to-play-two-matches-against-the-junior-wallabies-in-wellington/

                    MATCH ONE: NZ U20 v Junior Wallabies - Monday 29 May, 2.00PM (NZST), NZCIS, WELLINGTON
                    MATCH TWO: NZ U20 v Junior Wallabies – Saturday 3 June, 4.30PM (NZST), Sky Stadium, WELLINGTON

                    • The second match will be played as a curtain raiser to the Hurricanes v Crusaders and kicks off Saturday 3 June at 4.30PM (NZST), at SKY Stadium. This match will be broadcast live and exclusive on Sky Sport.

                    • The final New Zealand Under 20 squad of 30 for the World Rugby U20 Championship in South Africa will be announced following their second match in Wellington, on Monday 5 June.

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                      Looks like all the Super Rugby players were at the leadership camp over the last week - Lakai, Springer, Hotham, Godfrey etc so obviously no longer available for their respective Super sides going forward.

                      Seems like a talented side, hopefully they can do the business.

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                      • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                        Looks like all the Super Rugby players were at the leadership camp over the last week - Lakai, Springer, Hotham, Godfrey etc so obviously no longer available for their respective Super sides going forward.

                        Seems like a talented side, hopefully they can do the business.

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                        @Canes4life said in 2023 New Zealand U20s:

                        Looks like all the Super Rugby players were at the leadership camp over the last week - Lakai, Springer, Hotham, Godfrey etc so obviously no longer available for their respective Super sides going forward.

                        Seems like a talented side, hopefully they can do the business.

                        Isn't Laidlaw still the men's sevens coach? I thought he was at the Toulouse event.

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                          @Canes4life said in 2023 New Zealand U20s:

                          Looks like all the Super Rugby players were at the leadership camp over the last week - Lakai, Springer, Hotham, Godfrey etc so obviously no longer available for their respective Super sides going forward.

                          Seems like a talented side, hopefully they can do the business.

                          Isn't Laidlaw still the men's sevens coach? I thought he was at the Toulouse event.

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                          @kiwi_expat true, maybe this was earlier in the year so in that case ignore the above.

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                            Does anyone know whether you can actually go to NZCIS to watch the game? Do they allow entry to spectators?

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                              Yeah you can walk up and watch but it's not suited to the biggest crowd as you can see in the video below.

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                                Hmmm...some of these innovations might be better in theory than in practice, particularly the lineout throws.

                                https://www.world.rugby/news/810553/rugbys-smart-ball-set-to-transform-match-officiating-at-the-world-rugby-u20-championship

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                                  Why do I not like this idea very much? I not real comfortable with where we going with things like this.

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                                    Why do I not like this idea very much? I not real comfortable with where we going with things like this.

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                                    @Dan54 Yeah, that tech will never work correctly - too many variables.

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                                      Why do I not like this idea very much? I not real comfortable with where we going with things like this.

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                                      @Dan54

                                      Yep some of that might slow the game down not speed it up,Lineout throws are one of those do we have any that are 100% accurate ?.
                                      Nearly every line out may get blown up by the ref.

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                                        @Dan54

                                        Yep some of that might slow the game down not speed it up,Lineout throws are one of those do we have any that are 100% accurate ?.
                                        Nearly every line out may get blown up by the ref.

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                                        @Chris said in 2023 New Zealand U20s:

                                        @Dan54

                                        Yep some of that might slow the game down not speed it up,Lineout throws are one of those do we have any that are 100% accurate ?.
                                        Nearly every line out may get blown up by the ref.

                                        I would hope there is a tolerance.
                                        I think that if the ref gets a beep in the ear to confirm a not straight throw (outside of tolerance), that will cut out a lot of argument. We do see a lot missed even at the top level.

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                                          @Chris said in 2023 New Zealand U20s:

                                          @Dan54

                                          Yep some of that might slow the game down not speed it up,Lineout throws are one of those do we have any that are 100% accurate ?.
                                          Nearly every line out may get blown up by the ref.

                                          I would hope there is a tolerance.
                                          I think that if the ref gets a beep in the ear to confirm a not straight throw (outside of tolerance), that will cut out a lot of argument. We do see a lot missed even at the top level.

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                                          @Crucial

                                          Yep you would hope so Tolerance I mean.Otherwise it could be painful.

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