Argentina v All Blacks
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Sam Cane hasn't played well at test level since 2018, but it would be too risky not to make him captain. Papalii has been excellent at test level for the last two years.
Why the fuck do I watch this team.
@Tim said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Sam Cane hasn't played well at test level since 2018
I get you have same Cane is Shit tattooed across your torso coupled with a massive man-crush for papalii but Canes was the All Black's player of the year in 2020 and won the Kel Tremaine trophy.
That doesn't necessarily mean Cane should start now, but ignoring the facts could discredit your argument.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@DaGrubster WJ is in the side when fit. That's a given. But SS has been lighting up for the last couple of years. WJ isn't playing, BB just looks utter gash, and DMac provides cover. We need game breakers. Under Fozz-ball the team looks void of ideas and maybe a SS can spark that attack.
It's our inability to carry beyond the advantage line, secure and quickly recycle ball, and then make the outnumbered defenders make a bad decision that is the problem.
Selecting a fullback and hoping they can do something approaching individual game breaking brilliance is the problem.
@antipodean I'm not talking up SS as the difference between a win and a loss. I've not argued that point at all.
Most of the 2nd SA test last year, 60 mins against England, about 20 mins against the Jocks were very good.
We've got 5 tests before now and the first test against France in the RWC. We need to see SS at some point.
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if we're going to stick with the attack from anywhere game plan...then surely we need to see if people like SS can break open a defence at this level...I would argue BB spent too long coming off the bench and tearing holes through tired teams but not enough games starting trying to do it against fresh teams early in his career
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I don't reckon it is because of Stevenson's line breaks that he should play. It's because Barrett has shown nothing all year - that and Stevenson can kick, and field position matters.
Cane and DP are basically the same solid player. Neither is going to be dominant against the top sides, both will hold their own.
Scott Barrett is a pretty mediocre blindside flanker, and any 8 worth his weight should be tearing off the back of the scrum at/around him.
It would be nice if Foster threw caution to the wind and picked Mckenzie to start at 10 etc, but he's probably too stuck in his ways. -
The RM and BB 10/15 combination is basically the flat track bully combination for the AB's. Against lesser/more disorganized teams they can rip them to shreds and everything looks well.
Against organized teams with a strong defense and kicking game we end up pinned in our own half watching them trying to chip kick from our own 22 in a desperate attempt to generate some attack.
RM has at least this season displayed some element of mental toughness especially in the SR finals (and unfortunately against the Chiefs in the final).
BB however should be peeling potato's back at the hotel.
Hence I fully expect fozzie to select RM and BB at 10 and 15 for this first test match.
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We aren't going to win the WC with BB in the line-up, he's far too predictable. It feels like 98% of the time he reverts to kicking the ball away when he is put under even the slightest amount of pressure.
We need some surprise factor in this team and guys like Roigard, Narawa and Stevenson are players we should be promoting to atleast strike some sort of fear into our opposition.
The All Black's have become so predictable and have shown no innovation under Fozzie because he is completely conservative. He is conservative with his captain choice, he is conservative in the players he picks and when it comes to game strategy it seems like he is averse to any sort of change.
I would rather us get knocked out in a WC playing rugby that the All Blacks are renowned for i.e innovation, high skill and tempo VS getting knocked out after selecting an experienced team of players who are either passed it or well out of form.
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We aren't going to win the WC with BB in the line-up, he's far too predictable. It feels like 98% of the time he reverts to kicking the ball away when he is put under even the slightest amount of pressure.
We need some surprise factor in this team and guys like Roigard, Narawa and Stevenson are players we should be promoting to atleast strike some sort of fear into our opposition.
The All Black's have become so predictable and have shown no innovation under Fozzie because he is completely conservative. He is conservative with his captain choice, he is conservative in the players he picks and when it comes to game strategy it seems like he is averse to any sort of change.
I would rather us get knocked out in a WC playing rugby that the All Blacks are renowned for i.e innovation, high skill and tempo VS getting knocked out after selecting an experienced team of players who are either passed it or well out of form.
@Canes4life said in Argentina v All Blacks:
We aren't going to win the WC with BB in the line-up
I think Fozzie disagrees...
Not sure it's his predictability thats the issue, it is more his form and poor decision making, although apparently alot of that was part of the Blues gameplan...
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It's interesting in Eddie's first test the word is he's going to have Vunivalu at 14 whereas by comparison Fozzie put Jordie at 14 in his first test.
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina v All Blacks:
It's interesting in Eddie's first test the word is he's going to have Vunivalu at 14
Eddie's obviously a professional coach, but I don't know what he sees in Vunivalu based on SR form.
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@Stargazer said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Not only is it the wrong day, it's not even close to 10am.
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if we're going to stick with the attack from anywhere game plan...then surely we need to see if people like SS can break open a defence at this level...I would argue BB spent too long coming off the bench and tearing holes through tired teams but not enough games starting trying to do it against fresh teams early in his career
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
if we're going to stick with the attack from anywhere game plan...then surely we need to see if people like SS can break open a defence at this level...I would argue BB spent too long coming off the bench and tearing holes through tired teams but not enough games starting trying to do it against fresh teams early in his career
That seems to be ignoring the fact we got at least two very good years out of him as our starting 1st 5 that played 80 and would regularly drop back in defence (like DC and Cruden did) and then create havoc for opposition defences.
For me he’s a better fullback than 1st 5.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
if we're going to stick with the attack from anywhere game plan...then surely we need to see if people like SS can break open a defence at this level...I would argue BB spent too long coming off the bench and tearing holes through tired teams but not enough games starting trying to do it against fresh teams early in his career
That seems to be ignoring the fact we got at least two very good years out of him as our starting 1st 5 that played 80 and would regularly drop back in defence (like DC and Cruden did) and then create havoc for opposition defences.
For me he’s a better fullback than 1st 5.
@ACT-Crusader i dont meant to say he always been shit when starting or anything, just that it feels that his real stand outgames were early in his career coming off the bench, IMO...and now people are asking why he's not playing like that
I remember going over a highlights video last year and he's wearing 22/23 in a lot of the clips
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It's interesting in Eddie's first test the word is he's going to have Vunivalu at 14 whereas by comparison Fozzie put Jordie at 14 in his first test.
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina v All Blacks:
It's interesting in Eddie's first test the word is he's going to have Vunivalu at 14 whereas by comparison Fozzie put Jordie at 14 in his first test.
To be fair to Fozzie, Hansen had started Jordie on the right a couple of times and even on the left wing also, prior to him taking over.
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if we're going to stick with the attack from anywhere game plan...then surely we need to see if people like SS can break open a defence at this level...I would argue BB spent too long coming off the bench and tearing holes through tired teams but not enough games starting trying to do it against fresh teams early in his career
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
if we're going to stick with the attack from anywhere game plan...then surely we need to see if people like SS can break open a defence at this level...
There is that, but I think they see the other aspects of his game as being equally important. Want to see him get game time in next few games but think he'll sit this one out as they seem keen to work with him in camp first
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@KiwiMurph said in Argentina v All Blacks:
It's interesting in Eddie's first test the word is he's going to have Vunivalu at 14 whereas by comparison Fozzie put Jordie at 14 in his first test.
To be fair to Fozzie, Hansen had started Jordie on the right a couple of times and even on the left wing also, prior to him taking over.
@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina v All Blacks:
It's interesting in Eddie's first test the word is he's going to have Vunivalu at 14 whereas by comparison Fozzie put Jordie at 14 in his first test.
To be fair to Fozzie, Hansen had started Jordie on the right a couple of times and even on the left wing also, prior to him taking over.
Yup and foster had been basically playing the same stuff since Hansen era.
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@Stargazer said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Get out of bed and announce your team now Fozzie! It's been Thursday here all day and it's already 5 am in BA!
You must be jetlagged, so stop reading the fern and start writing.
- Etha...
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@ACT-Crusader i dont meant to say he always been shit when starting or anything, just that it feels that his real stand outgames were early in his career coming off the bench, IMO...and now people are asking why he's not playing like that
I remember going over a highlights video last year and he's wearing 22/23 in a lot of the clips
@Kiwiwomble I see it a bit different because from 2016-18 I remember a lot of highlights and it was from 1st 5.
Agree some of the really freakish stuff dates back to the pre-2015 RWC era and looks good when you add a bit of rock or hip-hop music, so good for the highlight videos
