Argentina v All Blacks
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@Chris said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Haha no accounting for taste is there,
I think your selection standard is of a very low standard.Yep and you know what mate, it's probably as good as anyone's on here, and doesn't make an iota of difference because we never have to be proved right or wrong.
@Dan54 said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Chris said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Haha no accounting for taste is there,
I think your selection standard is of a very low standard.Yep and you know what mate, it's probably as good as anyone's on here, and doesn't make an iota of difference because we never have to be proved right or wrong.
That is a matter of opinion if you think that selection v Argentina is a good one then I think you have no idea at all.Just whatever Foster does or selects is all unicorns and Rainbows as far you are concerned.
Selections that continually fail is not good selecting and once again Foster will stuff up this year like the last 3 years.
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@KiwiMurph said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Dan54 So you like Beauden at 15? He's five years past his best and has been playing 10 all season (poorly). He's undropable it seems despite being below par for nearly the entirety of Foster's reign.
Not up to me to decide who I like at 15 mate. I not privy to training etc, I don't think he been great this year at 10, but it all depends if you pick what super coaches etc pick. I do think once Jordan was out it was him or DMac there, and can understand DMac being tried at 10. I think RMo is probably the preferred 10, but by christ we don't want to assume anyone in any position will be fit for whole year. I somehow think that CC is on trial on left wing too somehow, but once again I guessing as much as anyone.
@Dan54 said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Dan54 So you like Beauden at 15? He's five years past his best and has been playing 10 all season (poorly). He's undropable it seems despite being below par for nearly the entirety of Foster's reign.
Not up to me to decide who I like at 15 mate.....
no need to undermine 95% of the forum existing
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@Frank said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Why has Roigard not been selected?
He's rested and superior to Christie.Agree. But read a few days back that he might be brought on as a replacement vs SA
Coles said that Roigard was like a deer in the headlights in the AB environment so maybe he lacks a little bit of confidence still. Someone with lots of ability but ...
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Of the bizarre selections, Lord is actually one I can get behind - he's at least as underrated as Vaai is overrated. Gee what an impact off the bench that will be, Frizzel will be stoked to have another pair of eyes on the breakdown.
Foster loves to start a shit hooker eh, fuck the result, as long as we can play someone into form in time for the RWC final we won't be appearing in.
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@Bovidae said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Ryan will be getting the forward pack he wants.
I’ll be very surprised if we lose this game because of the back selections. It’s a bit shit, I agree, but if we lose it will be on the forwards (maybe Dmac if he completely shits the bed).
I’m a bit pissed to not see Finau there, I assume he’ll get a go against Oz or even SA.
I don’t think Stevenson gets capped. Roigard maybe.
Looking at the AB15 team, I think there are some players in that team who are ahead of some in the ABs (or will be when it comes to WC selections).
@gt12 said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I’m a bit pissed to not see Finau there, I assume he’ll get a go against Oz or even SA.
I don’t think Stevenson gets capped. Roigard maybe.
Can only think Foster, Ryan and co want to both have a closer look at some of the new players and give them time to settle in - esp. as their 1st taste of AB rugby is outside of NZ. Narawa is an outlier though. From what Foster said, they def. rate SS but have a few concerns about defence which they want to work with him on and the door is very much open.
My guess is we'll probably see Roigard and Finau in the 23 in Melbourne and poss. SS too.
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@gt12 said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I’m a bit pissed to not see Finau there, I assume he’ll get a go against Oz or even SA.
I don’t think Stevenson gets capped. Roigard maybe.
Can only think Foster, Ryan and co want to both have a closer look at some of the new players and give them time to settle in - esp. as their 1st taste of AB rugby is outside of NZ. Narawa is an outlier though. From what Foster said, they def. rate SS but have a few concerns about defence which they want to work with him on and the door is very much open.
My guess is we'll probably see Roigard and Finau in the 23 in Melbourne and poss. SS too.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
From what Foster said, they def. rate SS but have a few concerns about defence
Are we still trying to believe what Foster says? Just like last year he was selecting the hookers on form eh...but then changed his tune and you even bought that!
He just makes shit up to tell the media/public.
Selecting Jordan and Clarke but not selecting Stevenson because of defence is about as believable as that time I rode a horse to the sun.
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@Chris-B ...but what tried and tested combos has he gone with? didn't someone say this is only Dmac 3 game at 10 for the AB's? and when was the last one? i very much doubt he had JB at 12 outside him
BB at 15 and CC at 11....but both a bit out of form? has that locking combo played together before? frizell/savea/cane may have experience together....but mainly its experience of not really firing as a combo (mainly frizell)
surely a "safe" option in the tried and test school of thought would be RM at 10 so that 9-13 combo can continue to solidify....and then SS at 15 so he slotting into a unit in front of him that is familiar with each other
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
From what Foster said, they def. rate SS but have a few concerns about defence
Are we still trying to believe what Foster says? Just like last year he was selecting the hookers on form eh...but then changed his tune and you even bought that!
He just makes shit up to tell the media/public.
Selecting Jordan and Clarke but not selecting Stevenson because of defence is about as believable as that time I rode a horse to the sun.
@Bones said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
From what Foster said, they def. rate SS but have a few concerns about defence
Are we still trying to believe what Foster says? Just like last year he was selecting the hookers on form eh...but then changed his tune and you even bought that!
He just makes shit up to tell the media/public.
Selecting Jordan and Clarke but not selecting Stevenson because of defence is about as believable as that time I rode a horse to the sun.
Meanwhile Beauden's most recent defensive play for the ABs was getting himself binned at Twickenham which was a huge contributing factor in the ABs throwing away a win.
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@Nepia said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I never expected SS to get a run. They just don't rate, we knew that last year when he they didn't select him in the ABXV initially. His selection this year seemed like merely a sop to the fans when they knew there was no danger of playing him.
I'm certain their misgivings are about his defence.
@antipodean said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I'm certain their misgivings are about his defence.
He was def. considered for this Test and has impressed:
“He featured in discussion and we decided to go somewhere else,” Foster told reporters in Mendoza. “I’ve been impressed with Shaun since he’s come in. Sometimes it’s good for people to come in and get a feel for the space and to learn.
“I think he’s doing everything we’re asking from him and that’s all we can really ask of all our squad members; to really enjoy being here and train hard and he’s done that and he’s done everything we’ve asked of him so did he feature in the conversation? Yes, he did.”
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@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
by tried and tested i did assume we were talking about combos that passed the test....haven't we been talking for months about BB, CC and Frizell at least not firing for the AB's...so two of those combos have weak links
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If Dmac is starting, it would have been good to see SS in there as well. Potentially, the ABs territorial kicking game could have been improved significantly.
BB... I will be screaming at the TV if we fuck around at our exits and put pressure on ourselves as we have been doing consistently since 2019. ....sigh... I know it is going to happen and I need to mentally prepare for it but the game is on at 4:00 in the morning here so alcohol is not an option.@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Argentina v All Blacks:
but the game is on at 4:00 in the morning here so alcohol is not an option.
Fuck me, have you never heard of an All-Nighter?
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Playing devil's advocate, what's gonna happen if after another couple of games some of the retained stalwarts are still outta form
@BerniesCorner nothing....nothing will happen...the die is cast
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
by tried and tested i did assume we were talking about combos that passed the test....haven't we been talking for months about BB, CC and Frizell at least not firing for the AB's...so two of those combos have weak links
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
by tried and tested i did assume we were talking about combos that passed the test....haven't we been talking for months about BB, CC and Frizell at least not firing for the AB's...so two of those combos have weak links
Hey still tested, just because they failed the test!
No one, in the history of test rugby looked at EdG, DC and TL and thought....now there's a front row that's seen everything together.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
De Groot/Coles
how much has Coles played with De Groot?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
by tried and tested i did assume we were talking about combos that passed the test....haven't we been talking for months about BB, CC and Frizell at least not firing for the AB's...so two of those combos have weak links
This might be CC & BB drinking in the Last Chance Saloon - haven't been impressed with either in SR or in 2022 and BB's kicking is shit. Much prefer to have a fit Jordan or confident SS at 15.
But as someone mentioned above, Foster wasn't going to throw a whole bunch of newbies in against Argentina in the 1st Test of the season when the AB's are normally rusty.
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@antipodean said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I'm certain their misgivings are about his defence.
He was def. considered for this Test and has impressed:
“He featured in discussion and we decided to go somewhere else,” Foster told reporters in Mendoza. “I’ve been impressed with Shaun since he’s come in. Sometimes it’s good for people to come in and get a feel for the space and to learn.
“I think he’s doing everything we’re asking from him and that’s all we can really ask of all our squad members; to really enjoy being here and train hard and he’s done that and he’s done everything we’ve asked of him so did he feature in the conversation? Yes, he did.”
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I'm certain their misgivings are about his defence.
He was def. considered for this Test and has impressed:
“He featured in discussion and we decided to go somewhere else,” Foster told reporters in Mendoza. “I’ve been impressed with Shaun since he’s come in. Sometimes it’s good for people to come in and get a feel for the space and to learn.
“I think he’s doing everything we’re asking from him and that’s all we can really ask of all our squad members; to really enjoy being here and train hard and he’s done that and he’s done everything we’ve asked of him so did he feature in the conversation? Yes, he did.”
That may or may not be true because he is hardly going to say the opposite. We need to take statements like that (from anybody) with a grain salt.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I'm certain their misgivings are about his defence.
He was def. considered for this Test and has impressed:
“He featured in discussion and we decided to go somewhere else,” Foster told reporters in Mendoza. “I’ve been impressed with Shaun since he’s come in. Sometimes it’s good for people to come in and get a feel for the space and to learn.
“I think he’s doing everything we’re asking from him and that’s all we can really ask of all our squad members; to really enjoy being here and train hard and he’s done that and he’s done everything we’ve asked of him so did he feature in the conversation? Yes, he did.”
That may or may not be true because he is hardly going to say the opposite. We need to take statements like that (from anybody) with a grain salt.
@Crazy-Horse when Henry/Hansen (less late Hansen) used to say it, and I disagreed, I trusted their decision making more, they had the results to back up thier decisions, Foster doesnt.
Sure he has a had a poor record, alot will largely get forgotten if he pulls off the RWC, but for that, he needs to be bold, nothing here screams bold.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
Not sure the 11/10/13 axis is traditionally considered a “combo”…
