All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
Will be interesting to see if the yellow is rescinded if there was no illegal contact.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
No attempt to bind
Off feetYes I know it goes on at nearly every ruck but it's still against the laws
Already on a YC and right in front of the ref is some real dumb shit
So I'll change my view to 3 on the clumsy / dumb side of the scale
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@MiketheSnow Did you watch the show? They showed two clean outs to the heads of All Blacks. Scott’s was to the right of the ball, and yes worthy of a penalty, but not to head. Your dirt rating assumes intent which is just speculation.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow Did you watch the show? They showed two clean outs to the heads of All Blacks. Scott’s was to the right of the ball, and yes worthy of a penalty, but not to head. Your dirt rating assumes intent which is just speculation.
See the previous reply
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
None of that is illegal.
No attempt to bind
Off feetYes I know it goes on at nearly every ruck but it's still against the laws
Already on a YC and right in front of the ref is some real dumb shit
So I'll change my view to 3 on the clumsy / dumb side of the scale
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
No attempt to bind
Off feetYeah, that is less legal ...
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Two things I thought at the game
Can't blame AB backs at all, AB forwards were destroyed
Missing McCaw leadership. Roigard brought it funnily enough. Focused. Gave me heartAnd Carter’s sweeping left boot, and Nonu’s ball carrying, and Read’s running with reckless abandon, and Kaino’s breakdown work, and Owen Franks scrum and clean outs, and Bender’s jinky runs …
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Two things I thought at the game
Can't blame AB backs at all, AB forwards were destroyed
Missing McCaw leadership. Roigard brought it funnily enough. Focused. Gave me heartAnd Carter’s sweeping left boot, and Nonu’s ball carrying, and Read’s running with reckless abandon, and Kaino’s breakdown work, and Owen Franks scrum and clean outs, and Bender’s jinky runs …
and Conrad’s coolness
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
Absolute nonsense
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
On the clumsy to filth scale where clumsy is 1 and filth is 10 this rates between 6 and 7 for me and deservedly merited a YC
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
Absolute nonsense
He came from distance at speed and hit a player that was not affecting the outcome of the ruck and who was unsighted and unable to defend himself
Scooter’s clean out had no influence on the outcome of that breakdown
On the clumsy to filth scale where clumsy is 1 and filth is 10 this rates between 6 and 7 for me and deservedly merited a YC
I don’t mind the fact that someone in our team felt compelled to whack Marx, even if it was a bit of a cheap shot - but it was just on the wrong side of the line between enforcement and grubbery given Marx was prone - if he’d done something similar while Marx was standing in the ruck we’d all be applauding it
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dry powder but dry milk powder
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Just a question on lineouts and mauls where we hit pinged for being early about 4 or 5 times. Can the attacking team bind before their player in the air lands? Seems like everyone starts early.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Just a question on lineouts and mauls where we hit pinged for being early about 4 or 5 times. Can the attacking team bind before their player in the air lands? Seems like everyone starts early.
I don't believe so. ABs were pinged three times in a row for binding early. First two they did so, but Cane argued, probably correctly, that Boks were taking jumper down on top of them, in which penalty for jumping across the line. Third penalty was absolutely marginal, but by then think Carley thought ABs were taking mickey and started to see things.
And scrum penalty when five yards from our line was also dodgy. Would be interested in what @NTA thought, but to me Malherbe driving up and slightly in, EDG digs in and shoves back, getting under FM's ribs. He has to step back to regain balance and takes scrum down, and EDG with him. A relieving penalty then might well have altered the card dynamic.
Bloody difficult real time but clear on replay.
So two of first six or seven penalties bogus.
Which means Scooter's overbalance (he lifted his hands up to avoid Faf), which arguably wasn't even a penalty, most certainly oughtn't have been yellow.
AB pack at full complement actually withstood everything Boks threw at them, and Big Sam even stole a lineout.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kiwiinmelb it was De Groot the first time.
Yeah was second time
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kiwiinmelb it was De Groot the first time.
Yeah was second time
Frans dropped the second scrum after EDG got under him.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Just a question on lineouts and mauls where we hit pinged for being early about 4 or 5 times. Can the attacking team bind before their player in the air lands? Seems like everyone starts early.
I don't believe so. ABs were pinged three times in a row for binding early. First two they did so, but Cane argued, probably correctly, that Boks were taking jumper down on top of them, in which penalty for jumping across the line. Third penalty was absolutely marginal, but by then think Carley thought ABs were taking mickey and started to see things.
And scrum penalty when five yards from our line was also dodgy. Would be interested in what @NTA thought, but to me Malherbe driving up and slightly in, EDG digs in and shoves back, getting under FM's ribs. He has to step back to regain balance and takes scrum down, and EDG with him. A relieving penalty then might well have altered the card dynamic.
Bloody difficult real time but clear on replay.
So two of first six or seven penalties bogus.
Which means Scooter's overbalance (he lifted his hands up to avoid Faf), which arguably wasn't even a penalty, most certainly oughtn't have been yellow.
AB pack at full complement actually withstood everything Boks threw at them, and Big Sam even stole a lineout.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Just a question on lineouts and mauls where we hit pinged for being early about 4 or 5 times. Can the attacking team bind before their player in the air lands? Seems like everyone starts early.
Which means Scooter's overbalance (he lifted his hands up to avoid Faf), which arguably wasn't even a penalty, most certainly oughtn't have been yellow.
He got tackled into the halfback by a Bok. Argue the Bok was offside when he did it.
Seems like the attacking team rarely gets penalised at lineouts.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Just a question on lineouts and mauls where we hit pinged for being early about 4 or 5 times. Can the attacking team bind before their player in the air lands? Seems like everyone starts early.
I don't believe so. ABs were pinged three times in a row for binding early. First two they did so, but Cane argued, probably correctly, that Boks were taking jumper down on top of them, in which penalty for jumping across the line. Third penalty was absolutely marginal, but by then think Carley thought ABs were taking mickey and started to see things.
And scrum penalty when five yards from our line was also dodgy. Would be interested in what @NTA thought, but to me Malherbe driving up and slightly in, EDG digs in and shoves back, getting under FM's ribs. He has to step back to regain balance and takes scrum down, and EDG with him. A relieving penalty then might well have altered the card dynamic.
Bloody difficult real time but clear on replay.
So two of first six or seven penalties bogus.
Which means Scooter's overbalance (he lifted his hands up to avoid Faf), which arguably wasn't even a penalty, most certainly oughtn't have been yellow.
AB pack at full complement actually withstood everything Boks threw at them, and Big Sam even stole a lineout.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
And scrum penalty when five yards from our line was also dodgy. Would be interested in what @NTA thought, but to me Malherbe driving up and slightly in, EDG digs in and shoves back, getting under FM's ribs. He has to step back to regain balance and takes scrum down, and EDG with him. A relieving penalty then might well have altered the card dynamic.
Time stamp?
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Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Some real dud selections in this squad. Williams and Newell are nowhere near ready for test rugby, Vaa'i has no physical impact, and Jacobson is a converted seven who is absolutely lost at test level. Then there is the thoroughly unathletic Lienert-Brown.
France will destroy that forward pack.
De Groot is back to slow and ponderous.
Ryan needs to open both eyes.
Private Frazer: “We’re dooooooooooomed.”
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Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
What absolute nonsense. It was a clear Yellow Card. Jeff Wilson has become the king of defending the indefensible.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Just a question on lineouts and mauls where we hit pinged for being early about 4 or 5 times. Can the attacking team bind before their player in the air lands? Seems like everyone starts early.
I don't believe so. ABs were pinged three times in a row for binding early. First two they did so, but Cane argued, probably correctly, that Boks were taking jumper down on top of them, in which penalty for jumping across the line. Third penalty was absolutely marginal, but by then think Carley thought ABs were taking mickey and started to see things.
And scrum penalty when five yards from our line was also dodgy. Would be interested in what @NTA thought, but to me Malherbe driving up and slightly in, EDG digs in and shoves back, getting under FM's ribs. He has to step back to regain balance and takes scrum down, and EDG with him. A relieving penalty then might well have altered the card dynamic.
Bloody difficult real time but clear on replay.
So two of first six or seven penalties bogus.
Which means Scooter's overbalance (he lifted his hands up to avoid Faf), which arguably wasn't even a penalty, most certainly oughtn't have been yellow.
AB pack at full complement actually withstood everything Boks threw at them, and Big Sam even stole a lineout.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Which means Scooter's overbalance (he lifted his hands up to avoid Faf), which arguably wasn't even a penalty, most certainly oughtn't have been yellow.
Clever how EE helped him take Faf out
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
And scrum penalty when five yards from our line was also dodgy. Would be interested in what @NTA thought, but to me Malherbe driving up and slightly in, EDG digs in and shoves back, getting under FM's ribs. He has to step back to regain balance and takes scrum down, and EDG with him. A relieving penalty then might well have altered the card dynamic.
Time stamp?
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Watching the Breakdown. Jeff Wilson is spot on re Scott Barrett. Cleanout to shoulder. Lots of other clean outs similar. Should not have been a yellow.
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@NTA About nine minutes of official time.
The scrum a minute later looked to me to be textbook.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@NTA About nine minutes of official time.
The scrum a minute later looked to me to be textbook.
Let's watch a few eh?
06:25 - solid from both sides. Malherbe has superb control and balance, with his knee nearly on the deck but driving EdG's mass up a tick, while bending his neck down.
09:20 - post-hit:
EdG isn't in great position, arched in the upper back a little.
Lomax's side of the scrum is very low - by the time the camera zooms in, you can already see his knee on the deck through the tunnel.
The call was black THP going to knee. There's no replay angle from that side but you can see it from the open side, and by Coles and EdG having to reset their feet as the motion goes sideways.10:38 - Boks take scrum from that penalty. Whatever Lomax did wrong in the previous scrum, he corrected it. Good scrum. Good contest. Boks called to use it.
12:00 - Boks win the hit. Fucking quick heel from Coles and Ardie is away i.e.
12:02 set called
12:05 ball fed
12:06 Ardie detaches
