RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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@Kiwiwomble they did gave him a game v ireland he failed
@ploughboy said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble they did gave him a game v ireland he failed
one game...yes, thats the same as spending a couple of years building a player into what they need
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@Duluth and pretty much everyone was shit across the Irish tests.
@taniwharugby Samisoni wasn't, but Foster dropped him for the decider.
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@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Both 1.93m, Read 111kg, Dalton 113kg
Sure the stats fluctuate.. but at the very least they are similar.
Papali'i is very large openside who started his SR career as a specialist 6
Yeah the size discussion with Paps seems very odd. Especially when people are advocating for Jacobson in his place who IIRC is smaller.
I also can remember when Paps started playing openside more often, there were lots of comments suggesting he was a natural 6 not 7 and was too heavy footed for 7.
@Nepia said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Especially when people are advocating for Jacobson in his place who IIRC is smaller.
Also I think there's two different questions. If the AB's were free to pick anyone I would not go for Papali'i in this test.
However they are restricted by their squad
I like plenty of others, have issues with the squad selection. But its done
Within this squad the choice was really LJ v DP as Barrett was needed in the second row. Even if you prefer LJ it's hardly a shocker to go for the larger guy
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@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I couldn't really care less about his actual size.
But you keep commenting on it
@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I couldn't really care less about his actual size.
But you keep commenting on it
not really. i initially said this "looks a lot smaller, plays much smaller, and a completely different player. Read was a genuine power runner, and a world class lineout option. Dalton, Ardie and Cane are all 7s. Read was an 8 who could have been a decent 6 or even a decent lock."
you're arguing that he's actually not smaller, based on notoriously unreliable rugby stats. that's 4 words commenting on actual size, vs the rest of the paragraph. -
@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I couldn't really care less about his actual size.
But you keep commenting on it
not really. i initially said this "looks a lot smaller, plays much smaller, and a completely different player. Read was a genuine power runner, and a world class lineout option. Dalton, Ardie and Cane are all 7s. Read was an 8 who could have been a decent 6 or even a decent lock."
you're arguing that he's actually not smaller, based on notoriously unreliable rugby stats. that's 4 words commenting on actual size, vs the rest of the paragraph.There you go again
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Don't disagree with any of that. But if you are talking about size you are talking about size. To say size and then pivot to style is a different conversation. I was responding to a specific comment about the size of the trio
I would also add it's silly to compare a guy at the start of his international career to a 100+ Test All Black
Papali'i is a decent lineout option. He also has a good running game but he's not usually the primary runner in trio's he plays for. He's actually particularly strong in the tramlines just like Read was
@Duluth Except in my post I focused on style - added one point about size (which I imagine would be a fairly well understood point in that a good big man will always beat a good small man) which you then latched onto and made a fuss of.
It's all pointless anyway - there's no way at the opening game of the RWC Dalton should be starting at blindside flanker regardless if he's 100kg, 110kg or 150kg...
It's a farce in player selection and development that he's even been asked to do the job.
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@Nepia said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Especially when people are advocating for Jacobson in his place who IIRC is smaller.
Also I think there's two different questions. If the AB's were free to pick anyone I would not go for Papali'i in this test.
However they are restricted by their squad
I like plenty of others, have issues with the squad selection. But its done
Within this squad the choice was really LJ v DP as Barrett was needed in the second row. Even if you prefer LJ it's hardly a shocker to go for the larger guy
@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Especially when people are advocating for Jacobson in his place who IIRC is smaller.
Also I think there's two different questions. If the AB's were free to pick anyone I would not go for Papali'i in this test.
However they are restricted by their squad
I like plenty of others, have issues with the squad selection. But its done
Within this squad the choice was really LJ v DP as Barrett was needed in the second row. Even if you prefer LJ it's hardly a shocker to go for the larger guy
I'll ask this question then. If Papalii is viewed as a better blindside then Jacobson, why didn't get a start last week, when he hasn't played that much test footy, especially at 6.
And furthermore, if Jacobson is seen as a specialist backup number eight, was he the best option if we were only going to take four locks and five loose forwards?
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Random thoughts..
Samisoni Is possibly out most dominant ball carrier. He should have been given every opportunity to get back into form.
I do love Coles and Taylor but neither can really hit it up in the tight.
So hard to believe we are all sweating on Shannon F to be fit when so many of us laughed at his selection awhile back.
And hard to believe Dalton and Reid the same size. Is it the quick evolution of the game of just the way they play?
Any word on who is getting called up? Don’t see how we can look past Samipeni Finau with the state of the team now. -
There you go again
@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
There you go again
ah, you're a last word guy. good luck to ya.
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@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
There you go again
ah, you're a last word guy. good luck to ya.
@reprobate Thanks
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Jacobson has been picked as Savea's backup at no.8 but can play 6. He might even end up at 7 during a pool game.
@Duluth The other option would have been Vaa'i at lock or 6, depending on where SB played, and use the latter as your primary ball-carrier.
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Jacobson has been picked as Savea's backup at no.8 but can play 6. He might even end up at 7 during a pool game.
@Duluth The other option would have been Vaa'i at lock or 6, depending on where SB played, and use the latter as your primary ball-carrier.
@Bovidae said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
The other option would have been Vaa'i at lock or 6, depending on where SB played, and use the latter as your primary ball-carrier.
Similar to Barrett where the locking situation means he was needed elsewhere
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@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
There you go again
ah, you're a last word guy. good luck to ya.
@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
There you go again
ah, you're a last word guy. good luck to ya.
Don't bother - apparently the only skill you need to be a blindside flanker for the AB's is to weigh 110kg.
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@Bovidae said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
The other option would have been Vaa'i at lock or 6, depending on where SB played, and use the latter as your primary ball-carrier.
Similar to Barrett where the locking situation means he was needed elsewhere
@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Bovidae said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
The other option would have been Vaa'i at lock or 6, depending on where SB played, and use the latter as your primary ball-carrier.
Similar to Barrett where the locking situation means he was needed elsewhere
I don't like the idea of Barrett being our second best six... not just because I don't think he is, and he has been exposed there many times, but mostly because he is our form lock, who I want to be seeing play eighty minutes in his best position.
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@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
There you go again
ah, you're a last word guy. good luck to ya.
Don't bother - apparently the only skill you need to be a blindside flanker for the AB's is to weigh 110kg.
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@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Especially when people are advocating for Jacobson in his place who IIRC is smaller.
Also I think there's two different questions. If the AB's were free to pick anyone I would not go for Papali'i in this test.
However they are restricted by their squad
I like plenty of others, have issues with the squad selection. But its done
Within this squad the choice was really LJ v DP as Barrett was needed in the second row. Even if you prefer LJ it's hardly a shocker to go for the larger guy
I'll ask this question then. If Papalii is viewed as a better blindside then Jacobson, why didn't get a start last week, when he hasn't played that much test footy, especially at 6.
And furthermore, if Jacobson is seen as a specialist backup number eight, was he the best option if we were only going to take four locks and five loose forwards?
@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'll ask this question then. If Papalii is viewed as a better blindside then Jacobson, why didn't get a start last week, when he hasn't played that much test footy, especially at 6.
It would appear Jacobson has been dropped
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@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'll ask this question then. If Papalii is viewed as a better blindside then Jacobson, why didn't get a start last week, when he hasn't played that much test footy, especially at 6.
It would appear Jacobson has been dropped
@Duluth said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'll ask this question then. If Papalii is viewed as a better blindside then Jacobson, why didn't get a start last week, when he hasn't played that much test footy, especially at 6.
It would appear Jacobson has been dropped
Which I would say is bizarre? But mind you, Fozzy does many bizarre things, some of which have proved successful, so we'll see I guess.
Weirdly enough, I'd actually say Foster has been far more open to picking on form in the backline throughout his tenure...
- Roigard jumped the queue into the squad, likewise Fakatava last year
- DMac offered the chance to start games this year
- Selections at 12 throughout have been on form, first with Havili, then moving Jordie there
- Telea jumping in ahead of Clarke
If we are going to criticise Foster for picking Christie, that is fair, but we can't then say he doesn't pick on form, because that isn't true as a block statement.
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Ian Foster:
"We thought just for this game that way round would be good for us. It gives us the ability to have two guys whose instincts are around the ball. But Dalts also brings speed around the park, he has brought a lot to the group over the last couple of years and he deserves this."
What we need to see are some dominant tackles too.
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No one has said that.
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@Duluth Yes but your entire justification for Papps being selected at 6 is that he used to play there back in the day and weighs roughly the same amount as Kiren Reid.
