RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@reprobate said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Tim said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Poor coaching, as is the standard.
Same coaching set-up when he was getting game-time and being so bloody effective coming off the bench. Weird.
Foster has always preferred Taylor, even when it was blindingly obvious that he was playing terribly and Samisoni was playing great. IIRC he dropped Samisoni despite being our best forward for the Irish decider, then continued using Taylor while our lineout and his general play was dogshit all last season. Taylor is a decent player, but his form last year was arguably the worst I've seen an AB get away with and keep being selected - and that's not when the cupboard was bare, but when we had another option who was clearly better. It is just shit selection.
Samisoni should be a bolted on starter by now. Taylor or Coles should be the bench guy, or if we were better at handling young players, Aumua could have been ready in time.
We all sit around bemoaning Super rugby and our lack of grunt up front - and we have that guy right fucking there and they won't fucking pick him!If what you say is true - and it may be - you have to question what value Ryan actually adds, don't you?
Not really. Foster's preference for Taylor and Taylor's terrible form pre-dates Ryan being involved.
Has Ryan changed that? No. Has he tried? No idea.
Buck stops with the head coach.@reprobate said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@reprobate said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Tim said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Poor coaching, as is the standard.
Same coaching set-up when he was getting game-time and being so bloody effective coming off the bench. Weird.
Foster has always preferred Taylor, even when it was blindingly obvious that he was playing terribly and Samisoni was playing great. IIRC he dropped Samisoni despite being our best forward for the Irish decider, then continued using Taylor while our lineout and his general play was dogshit all last season. Taylor is a decent player, but his form last year was arguably the worst I've seen an AB get away with and keep being selected - and that's not when the cupboard was bare, but when we had another option who was clearly better. It is just shit selection.
Samisoni should be a bolted on starter by now. Taylor or Coles should be the bench guy, or if we were better at handling young players, Aumua could have been ready in time.
We all sit around bemoaning Super rugby and our lack of grunt up front - and we have that guy right fucking there and they won't fucking pick him!If what you say is true - and it may be - you have to question what value Ryan actually adds, don't you?
Not really. Foster's preference for Taylor and Taylor's terrible form pre-dates Ryan being involved.
Has Ryan changed that? No. Has he tried? No idea.
Buck stops with the head coach.Well personally I would be starting with Taylor, I a ST fan , but we need a bloody solid set piece going forward, and hence Taylor probably gets the nod. Would make no difference anyway, we all got our players we like and lo and behold any coach or coaches who don't put our players on field.
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I have only just realised that Carley is the ref, and now I have an extra 2 hours to do something other than watch rugby on Saturday morning.
Sad that my lifelong love of rugby has diminished to that point.
@Snowy said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I have only just realised that Carley is the ref, and now I have an extra 2 hours to do something other than watch rugby on Saturday morning.
Sad that
mysomeone's lifelongspanlove of rugbyhas been diminishedtoby that point.Busy day for the basement.
But man that is sad, I can't believe you won't watch the abs cos of that. I want to see them play so well it doesn't matter
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I agree with the many posters hoping to see a more direct game.
Given Matt Carly is ref - the stars are aligned for the ABs to stumble , fall foul of the officials etc., ill-discipline will be costly - not just for this match .. I hope the ABs don't stumble over this banana peel of a game -
All I want is some simple disciplined rugby, play for territory, value and contest possessions, strong defense and put some doubt in the minds of those who have already written the ABs off........ (Please no Foster and BB hold my beer moments)
@Mattasaurus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
put some doubt in the minds of those who have already written the ABs off........ (Please no Foster and BB hold my beer moments)No, no,... let the ABs stay off the radar. Irish convinced they have an easy route to the final is good! Unfortunately, they may well have but hopefully the Irish team is listening to the outside noise.
A lot of the comments about players and coaches have an obvious provincial bias and are just getting boring.
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we let former Crusader Leon MacDonald lose us two World Cups, it seems tradition to let current Crusader Richie Mo'unga lose us two as well. I like patterns
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Former Canterbury player Jon Preston had excellent analysis of Mo'unga shitness at halftime in that match
@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Former Canterbury player Jon Preston had excellent analysis of Mo'unga shitness at halftime in that match
Do you have a link for that? Tbh I have suppressed memories from that game. I could see we were fΕcked from the get go. Everything that multiple posters here had warned about could happen, was happening in front of our eyes. The disheartening thing was that we, i.e. the half-arse keyboard warriors, could see this coming a mile away, yet the brains trust in the ABs were like a man being mugged in a meadow.
The crazy thing is that if that penalty hadn't been reversed for the SW brain fart we were still in with a shot. Would have been completely undeserved because we had the shit beaten out of us all game.
Actually one thing I recall reading here was how Iteoje was apparently this overhyped myth. Well fark me if that overhyped myth didn't eat our lunch that day.
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@Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Former Canterbury player Jon Preston had excellent analysis of Mo'unga shitness at halftime in that match
Do you have a link for that? Tbh I have suppressed memories from that game. I could see we were fΕcked from the get go. Everything that multiple posters here had warned about could happen, was happening in front of our eyes. The disheartening thing was that we, i.e. the half-arse keyboard warriors, could see this coming a mile away, yet the brains trust in the ABs were like a man being mugged in a meadow.
The crazy thing is that if that penalty hadn't been reversed for the SW brain fart we were still in with a shot. Would have been completely undeserved because we had the shit beaten out of us all game.
Actually one thing I recall reading here was how Iteoje was apparently this overhyped myth. Well fark me if that overhyped myth didn't eat our lunch that day.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Do you have a link for that? Tbh I have suppressed memories from that game. I could see we were fΕcked from the get go.
No. It was the spark coverage. He pointed out that Mo'unga was targeted effectively by Eddie and that he was already going into his shell
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@Mattasaurus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
put some doubt in the minds of those who have already written the ABs off........ (Please no Foster and BB hold my beer moments)No, no,... let the ABs stay off the radar. Irish convinced they have an easy route to the final is good! Unfortunately, they may well have but hopefully the Irish team is listening to the outside noise.
A lot of the comments about players and coaches have an obvious provincial bias and are just getting boring.
Yep We don't want to see the brainless weak dinky kicks from Barrett at the back pinning us inside our 22.
If teams had a game plan to kick to Barrett we will never get out side our half.
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The thing that makes Ireland so good at the moment is they are so comfortable doing not much for long stretches of the game. Maybe some phases if we are in the right part of the field, but they wait for their chance and they are happy to stay in teh grind
I watched that SA v Ireland game and kept thinking "Barrett or Mo'unga would have got bored by now and tried something risky to break the game open"
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The thing that makes Ireland so good at the moment is they are so comfortable doing not much for long stretches of the game. Maybe some phases if we are in the right part of the field, but they wait for their chance and they are happy to stay in teh grind
I watched that SA v Ireland game and kept thinking "Barrett or Mo'unga would have got bored by now and tried something risky to break the game open"
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I watched that SA v Ireland game and kept thinking "Barrett or Mo'unga would have got bored by now and tried something risky to break the game open"
problem is you can throw D Mac in to that category as well.
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game. -
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I watched that SA v Ireland game and kept thinking "Barrett or Mo'unga would have got bored by now and tried something risky to break the game open"
problem is you can throw D Mac in to that category as well.
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game.@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I watched that SA v Ireland game and kept thinking "Barrett or Mo'unga would have got bored by now and tried something risky to break the game open"
problem is you can throw D Mac in to that category as well.
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game.yup, absolutely no debate here. The only slight counter i would give is i watched the Chiefs play the Crusaders the first time in SUper Rugby this year, and i watched a team containing DMac and Stephenson just repeatedly kick the ball long to Mo'unga and Havili until one of them cracked, at which point the Chiefs pounced. It was some of the smartest rugby i have ever seen the Chiefs play.
But if DMac was starting 10 right now in this team i would have the same fear
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Carter would be same but would've achieved what he tried to do haha
yes, well, it's Dan. Dan can do what ever the fuck he wants. And frankly, unlike every single player currently in Black, i would say that Dan decided to do was the right option at the time.
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@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I watched that SA v Ireland game and kept thinking "Barrett or Mo'unga would have got bored by now and tried something risky to break the game open"
problem is you can throw D Mac in to that category as well.
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game.yup, absolutely no debate here. The only slight counter i would give is i watched the Chiefs play the Crusaders the first time in SUper Rugby this year, and i watched a team containing DMac and Stephenson just repeatedly kick the ball long to Mo'unga and Havili until one of them cracked, at which point the Chiefs pounced. It was some of the smartest rugby i have ever seen the Chiefs play.
But if DMac was starting 10 right now in this team i would have the same fear
With teams kicking long in this WC, It would be great to have a Stevenson/Sullivan type FB with a big boot to counter it.
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With teams kicking long in this WC, It would be great to have a Stevenson/Sullivan type FB with a big boot to counter it.
@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Stevenson
haven't you heard? Unlike all the players currently in the squad, he makes errors.
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I watched that SA v Ireland game and kept thinking "Barrett or Mo'unga would have got bored by now and tried something risky to break the game open"
problem is you can throw D Mac in to that category as well.
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game.@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game
Havili is probably closest...maybe move him to 10
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@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game
Havili is probably closest...maybe move him to 10
@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game
Havili is probably closest...maybe move him to 10
Don't need to mate, when he plays with RMo, he is in at 1st receiver more than RMo usually.
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@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game
Havili is probably closest...maybe move him to 10
@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game
Havili is
probably closest...maybe move him to 10ineffectiveFixed
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@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Stevenson
haven't you heard? Unlike all the players currently in the squad, he makes errors.
He should fit in well then.
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@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I watched that SA v Ireland game and kept thinking "Barrett or Mo'unga would have got bored by now and tried something risky to break the game open"
problem is you can throw D Mac in to that category as well.
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game.yup, absolutely no debate here. The only slight counter i would give is i watched the Chiefs play the Crusaders the first time in SUper Rugby this year, and i watched a team containing DMac and Stephenson just repeatedly kick the ball long to Mo'unga and Havili until one of them cracked, at which point the Chiefs pounced. It was some of the smartest rugby i have ever seen the Chiefs play.
But if DMac was starting 10 right now in this team i would have the same fear
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I watched that SA v Ireland game and kept thinking "Barrett or Mo'unga would have got bored by now and tried something risky to break the game open"
problem is you can throw D Mac in to that category as well.
We don't have that Sexton,Ford type player ,boring but effective at that sort of game.yup, absolutely no debate here. The only slight counter i would give is i watched the Chiefs play the Crusaders the first time in SUper Rugby this year, and i watched a team containing DMac and Stephenson just repeatedly kick the ball long to Mo'unga and Havili until one of them cracked, at which point the Chiefs pounced. It was some of the smartest rugby i have ever seen the Chiefs play.
But if DMac was starting 10 right now in this team i would have the same fear
There's a mythology that the Crusaders play a different style but in reality all the NZ sides play remarkably similar. The Chiefs were the exception this year with their kicking game. There were huge differences in their stats compared tot he other NZ sides
As for McKenzie if he was starting right now. He would be asked to play the same style as Foster/Roberston/MacDonald/etc want so there would be a lot of contestables
He would however not hide away if things aren't going well. He's perfectly happy to get smashed and call for the ball again and again. It's a good sort of arrogance. He doesn't sit waiting for highlight reel mismatches. In Test rugby those moments don't come often
He should've been given a decent run after SR but it's too late now (barring injury)
It's amazing how far AB standards have slipped. Mo'unga has been in the side for 7 seasons (he's about to turn the corner!) and he's had the same problems throughout his career. Yet we have pearl clutching because he's getting his share of criticism for the shitness with him as a backline general. Even genuine great of the game like Carter was getting criticised in early 2015 and there was a less pathetic reaction from maternalistic fans.
