RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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looking back to the last time we played Ireland, we are so much better than we were then
Fullback: J Barrett was okay, B Barrett is frustrating us all. Lets call it even
Wings: Reece/Jordan v Jordan/Telea. This Jordan is better than the 2022 version that was feeling his way back in. Telea is better than Reece. 2023 wins
Centre: Ioane/Ioane even
2nd 5: Havili v JBarrett. A nothing player against a big lump who will get us on the front foot and can throw a dinky little pass. Huge upgrade for 2023
1st 5: BBarrett v Mo'unga. This was the death throws of BB at 10, and while RM is hardly a world beater, he's significantly better than 2022 BB
9: Smith/Smith even
Loose Forwards. Cane/Savea/A Ioane v Cane/Savea/Frizzell 2023 wins this by virtue of Frizzell's current form and the way he plays making the others, particularly Savea, better.
Locks: Retallick/Whitelock v SBarrett/Retallic (assumed) 2023. Retallick wasn't in great form, SBarrett has grown and grown and now plays with the aggression and accuracy we need
Props: Bower/Laulala v actually we don't know yet. This could be even though you could argue that Laulala has improved. If Lomax can play then 2023 is ahead
Hooker: Taylor/Coles v Taylor/ST I give this to 2023 just, as Taylor is playing better, but ST has dropped away a little. It wouldn't shock me to see Coles in the 16 shirt this weekendBench: This is telling
Coles, Karl T, Ofa, Vaa'i Paps, Fakatava, Mo'unga, RTS v
Coles/ST, Props, Whitelock, Paps, Roigard, Dmac, ALB
This is a huge improvement. There is genuine impact and experience there. That 2022 bench is so ordinary.Ireland have the same players playing the same way. We lost that game by 10 points, and this AB side is more than 10 points better than June 2022.
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
looking back to the last time we played Ireland, we are so much better than we were then
Fullback: J Barrett was okay, B Barrett is frustrating us all. Lets call it even
Wings: Reece/Jordan v Jordan/Telea. This Jordan is better than the 2022 version that was feeling his way back in. Telea is better than Reece. 2023 wins
Centre: Ioane/Ioane even
2nd 5: Havili v JBarrett. A nothing player against a big lump who will get us on the front foot and can throw a dinky little pass. Huge upgrade for 2023
1st 5: BBarrett v Mo'unga. This was the death throws of BB at 10, and while RM is hardly a world beater, he's significantly better than 2022 BB
9: Smith/Smith even
Loose Forwards. Cane/Savea/A Ioane v Cane/Savea/Frizzell 2023 wins this by virtue of Frizzell's current form and the way he plays making the others, particularly Savea, better.
Locks: Retallick/Whitelock v SBarrett/Retallic (assumed) 2023. Retallick wasn't in great form, SBarrett has grown and grown and now plays with the aggression and accuracy we need
Props: Bower/Laulala v actually we don't know yet. This could be even though you could argue that Laulala has improved. If Lomax can play then 2023 is ahead
Hooker: Taylor/Coles v Taylor/ST I give this to 2023 just, as Taylor is playing better, but ST has dropped away a little. It wouldn't shock me to see Coles in the 16 shirt this weekendBench: This is telling
Coles, Karl T, Ofa, Vaa'i Paps, Fakatava, Mo'unga, RTS v
Coles/ST, Props, Whitelock, Paps, Roigard, Dmac, ALB
This is a huge improvement. There is genuine impact and experience there. That 2022 bench is so ordinary.Ireland have the same players playing the same way. We lost that game by 10 points, and this AB side is more than 10 points better than June 2022.
Nice work Mariner.
Two minor comments:
2022 Ioane < 2023 Ioane
2022 Smith > 2023 Smith -
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU) -
Not Carley as ref nor Cronan as tmo. That is a blessing. But seems odd and unfair they all English and none from Southern hemisphere.
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Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU) -
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)@Bovidae said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Well, well, well.... the ref's board has a sense of humour...
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@Bovidae said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Well, well, well.... the ref's board has a sense of humour...
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As a referee, Barne is very good. I just wish he'd shut up.
And I absolutely hate his Try Given / Try Awarded bullshit.
No, the try was scored. Your job isn't to award/give it. It's to point it out.
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Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)@Bovidae said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)Could be worse.
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@Bovidae said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)Very happy Jonker isn't the TMO.
@Stargazer said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bovidae said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)Very happy Jonker isn't the TMO.
Do Yaapies pronounce Jo as Wa?
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Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)@Bovidae said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)I thought Barnes was bloody good in the Uruguay game.
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So the top refs are Barnes, peyper, BOk and Raynal. The Georgian is nowhere as far as I can see, not even a touch judge. I’m a bit surprised.
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So the top refs are Barnes, peyper, BOk and Raynal. The Georgian is nowhere as far as I can see, not even a touch judge. I’m a bit surprised.
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@mariner4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Chris-B said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
They are, you BoP fucker!
as an aside, looking at that BOP team sheet, we're as cheque book as you these days, and thus i care so very little
As I've repeatedly made the point - when we won the NPC we were not a chequebook team - Keane and Leon were just excellent selectors and team builders.
However, I saw a report in recent times, that we've become relatively wealthy compared to the rest of you fuckwits - who can't organize a piss-up in a brewery - and we're using this wealth to dominate the ABs and direct things toward success.
To date, we've just been hindered by the swamp Islanders who keep appointing their fucking coaches.
I hope our fabulous players can transcend this fuckery!
@Chris-B said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
compared to the rest of you fuckwits - who can't organize a piss-up in a brewery
Now if there was one insult directed towards Fern posters that was highly unlikely, my vote would be on this one. Not saying it would be a very civil piss-up, mind.
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So the top refs are Barnes, peyper, BOk and Raynal. The Georgian is nowhere as far as I can see, not even a touch judge. I’m a bit surprised.
@Billy-Tell said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
So the top refs are Barnes, peyper, BOk and Raynal. The Georgian is nowhere as far as I can see, not even a touch judge. I’m a bit surprised.
Me too
He's been excellent and is neutral (no skin in the game) going forward
