RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina
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Argentina can win:
- Disrupt the All Blacks lineout.
- Compete at every breakdown. Exert control there.
- Ruthlessly exploit any AB ill discipline. Kick all their goals.
- Read the NZ overloads and long passes. Look for intercepts.
- Charge their big ball of muscles at the weaker AB defenders e.g Mo’unga and Jordan.
- Stay calm and execute brilliantly in the last ten minutes.
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@No-Quarter said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
For all the talk of the ABs legacy, the nature of the game today is that the RWC trumps all. You even get bonus ranking points during it.
Make no mistake, Ireland crashing out of the quarters has seriously undermined the legacy of that team, rightly or wrongly. They will only be remembered for crashing out in the quarters, not what they did leading up to it. Just like our 07 ABs.
So, it seems to me that our coaches have been targeting three specific games for a long time now. SA smacking us in a warm up game, as much as that sucked, will mean jack diddly squat if we win the whole thing. All of the talk will be about how great the ABs are at RWCs.
Yes we have a proud history where we have gone all out to win every single game we play. But in the professional era, with teams like France and Ireland really stepping up, it's just not possible to blow all and sundry away every time anymore. Hence the focus on winning the games that really matter.
We've joked about dry powder before, but in this instance that's exactly what we had. We figured out how to combat the Irish style of play, but gave them no indication at all beforehand that we had. We kept our cards close to our chest, and unveiled a new defensive system that they had no answers for in the end.
@Chris-B had been alluding to this for a while, and I think he's right, all of our planning for the last 2 years have centered around these three games.
And despite all that, we've still won every trophy on offer this year.
I get that. You arsehole millennials
know nothing of the pre-RWC era. I understand that the RWC is considered the pinnacle, like the Olympics, but it's just wrong IMHO that going out earlier than hoped lessens the achievements of the previous 3 years (the Irish now and us from 1991-2011). On the other side, I don't feel that RWC success makes up for 3 years of dross.To each their own I guess and that win was absolutely glorious. But does it balance out the previous 3 years? Many appear to say yes and that's fair enough. I beg to differ.
And Foster is fat.
And Jordie should have been 12 long ago.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
And Jordie should have been 12 long ago.
Anyone know how many Super Rugby Games Jordie has started at 12 before Foster put him there?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
And Jordie should have been 12 long ago.
Anyone know how many Super Rugby Games Jordie has started at 12 before Foster put him there?
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
And Jordie should have been 12 long ago.
Anyone know how many Super Rugby Games Jordie has started at 12 before Foster put him there?
Maybe in the same region as Telea, Rieko and Jordan in their positions?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
And Jordie should have been 12 long ago.
Anyone know how many Super Rugby Games Jordie has started at 12 before Foster put him there?
Maybe in the same region as Telea, Rieko and Jordan in their positions?
@Bones said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
And Jordie should have been 12 long ago.
Anyone know how many Super Rugby Games Jordie has started at 12 before Foster put him there?
Maybe in the same region as Telea, Rieko and Jordan in their positions?
Genuine question. IIRC Reiko had played a season or two at 13?
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@sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Exhibit B of what can go horribly wrong in a World Cup Semi Final.
You forgot to attach Annexure A to Exhibit B that says that match was against the defending RWC champs with a team littered with world class players....
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Exhibit B of what can go horribly wrong in a World Cup Semi Final.
You forgot to attach Annexure A to Exhibit B that says that match was against the defending RWC champs with a team littered with world class players....
On home soil in front of 80k fans, 70k of which were wearing canary yellow.
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Not too cold tomorrow night in Paris, but it is likely to be windy and wet. The Wellington boys will feel like they’re at home.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/u09tvnxyj#?date=2023-10-20
@sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Not too cold tomorrow night in Paris, but it is likely to be windy and wet. The Wellington boys will feel like they’re at home.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/u09tvnxyj#?date=2023-10-20
This worries me less than any potential complacency. The weather is shit in NZ and kids grow up playing in wet weather conditions.
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Argentina can win:
- Disrupt the All Blacks lineout.
- Compete at every breakdown. Exert control there.
- Ruthlessly exploit any AB ill discipline. Kick all their goals.
- Read the NZ overloads and long passes. Look for intercepts.
- Charge their big ball of muscles at the weaker AB defenders e.g Mo’unga and Jordan.
- Stay calm and execute brilliantly in the last ten minutes.
Charge their big ball of muscles at the weaker AB defenders e.g Mo’unga and Jordan
I am not sure this is true,Tela who drifts in field on defense,De groot who can get caught flat footed and BB who can be a bit gun shy are weaker places to exploit.
One of the bigger hits last game was Mounga on Aki.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
I think those results were outliers, particularly the SA game, almost everything that could go wrong, did and we were rightfully spanked.
I really hope the SA loss was becuase the team was in strength/conditioning mode, and putting a heavy training load into the players.
I fear it may be because our kicking suuuuucks
2 things
On the Saturday before the SA game - the ab squad was doing promotional work in various pharmacies across London for some partnership. My wife and daughter saw some in a pharmacy in Clapham.
This was just after arriving so they were taking it very easily going into this warm up game.
Secondly, the only realistic window available this year for S&C was August/September. We did this in 2015 successfully.
So we could afford to do a window in this time because we needed to, there was no reward for winning the French game and the pool was pretty light and we had an additional week.
Players like Tamaiti Williams looks to have really benefited from S&C during that period.
The performance against Italy probably shows that the team has benefitted from it.
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Call it what you like. The betting markets are saying the All Blacks are 1/12 on to make the final. All the pundits are saying we are going to make the final.
I’d say there’s an enormous air of complacency around this Semi Final. We’ve been here before and we know where it ends up. Respect your opponent or end up on your arse.
@sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Call it what you like. The betting markets are saying the All Blacks are 1/12 on to make the final. All the pundits are saying we are going to make the final.
I’d say there’s an enormous air of complacency around this Semi Final. We’ve been here before and we know where it ends up. Respect your opponent or end up on your arse.
TAB odds are not AB's attitudes.
Fan's opinions are not the AB's mindset.
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Bones said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Winger said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Christie again
FFS. Let's hope Smith stays on for the full 80 minutes again.
(unless the AB's have a big lead with say20105 minutes left).As we found out last week, we're better off just sending Aaron to stand behind the try line for 5 minutes either side of halftime and play with 14.
with at most 2 more games in the black jersey...good bloody luck getting him off the field i would say
I'm hoping the try line is on the field this week.
@Bones said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Bones said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Winger said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Christie again
FFS. Let's hope Smith stays on for the full 80 minutes again.
(unless the AB's have a big lead with say20105 minutes left).As we found out last week, we're better off just sending Aaron to stand behind the try line for 5 minutes either side of halftime and play with 14.
with at most 2 more games in the black jersey...good bloody luck getting him off the field i would say
I'm hoping the try line is on the field this week.
Pretty sure selections reflect this
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@ACT-Crusader The All Blacks lineout is the absolute key for me. It’s been rock solid in recent tests. If Argentina can disrupt it they’ll think they have a chance.
@sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@ACT-Crusader The All Blacks lineout is the absolute key for me. It’s been rock solid in recent tests. If Argentina can disrupt it they’ll think they have a chance.
Apparent the best performing lineout at RWC.
Unfortunately hooking Jesus is our sub lineout thrower.
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@sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@ACT-Crusader The All Blacks lineout is the absolute key for me. It’s been rock solid in recent tests. If Argentina can disrupt it they’ll think they have a chance.
Apparent the best performing lineout at RWC.
Unfortunately hooking Jesus is our sub lineout thrower.
@booboo said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@ACT-Crusader The All Blacks lineout is the absolute key for me. It’s been rock solid in recent tests. If Argentina can disrupt it they’ll think they have a chance.
Apparent the best performing lineout at RWC.
Unfortunately hooking Jesus is our sub lineout thrower.
I think I read a few days ago ,
They have won 51 from 52 off our throw , lost just the one in the France game .
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Charge their big ball of muscles at the weaker AB defenders e.g Mo’unga and Jordan
I am not sure this is true,Tela who drifts in field on defense,De groot who can get caught flat footed and BB who can be a bit gun shy are weaker places to exploit.
One of the bigger hits last game was Mounga on Aki.
@Chris said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Charge their big ball of muscles at the weaker AB defenders e.g Mo’unga and Jordan
I am not sure this is true,Tela who drifts in field on defense,De groot who can get caught flat footed and BB who can be a bit gun shy are weaker places to exploit.
One of the bigger hits last game was Mounga on Aki.
Not that Bundee did anything to exaggerate the effect...
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
And Jordie should have been 12 long ago.
Anyone know how many Super Rugby Games Jordie has started at 12 before Foster put him there?
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
And Jordie should have been 12 long ago.
Anyone know how many Super Rugby Games Jordie has started at 12 before Foster put him there?
Probably as many as he started on the wing or at 13.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
And Jordie should have been 12 long ago.
Anyone know how many Super Rugby Games Jordie has started at 12 before Foster put him there?
Probably as many as he started on the wing or at 13.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
And Jordie should have been 12 long ago.
Anyone know how many Super Rugby Games Jordie has started at 12 before Foster put him there?
Probably as many as he started on the wing or at 13.
When he filled in at MF during the Lions tour I knew he could do it, as did you. It took a while but everyone else eventually caught up mate...
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@Bones said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Bones said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Winger said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Christie again
FFS. Let's hope Smith stays on for the full 80 minutes again.
(unless the AB's have a big lead with say20105 minutes left).As we found out last week, we're better off just sending Aaron to stand behind the try line for 5 minutes either side of halftime and play with 14.
with at most 2 more games in the black jersey...good bloody luck getting him off the field i would say
I'm hoping the try line is on the field this week.
Pretty sure selections reflect this
@booboo said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Bones said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Bones said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Winger said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Christie again
FFS. Let's hope Smith stays on for the full 80 minutes again.
(unless the AB's have a big lead with say20105 minutes left).As we found out last week, we're better off just sending Aaron to stand behind the try line for 5 minutes either side of halftime and play with 14.
with at most 2 more games in the black jersey...good bloody luck getting him off the field i would say
I'm hoping the try line is on the field this week.
Pretty sure selections reflect this
You've heard then
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2 things
On the Saturday before the SA game - the ab squad was doing promotional work in various pharmacies across London for some partnership. My wife and daughter saw some in a pharmacy in Clapham.
This was just after arriving so they were taking it very easily going into this warm up game.
Secondly, the only realistic window available this year for S&C was August/September. We did this in 2015 successfully.
So we could afford to do a window in this time because we needed to, there was no reward for winning the French game and the pool was pretty light and we had an additional week.
Players like Tamaiti Williams looks to have really benefited from S&C during that period.
The performance against Italy probably shows that the team has benefitted from it.
@DaGrubster the day of that 'greatest game of Rugby ever' in 2000 in Sydney, the entire team was in a lappy bar in town drinking and err cahorting. Didn't seem to impact them that night, maybe they should do it again lol
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@DaGrubster the day of that 'greatest game of Rugby ever' in 2000 in Sydney, the entire team was in a lappy bar in town drinking and err cahorting. Didn't seem to impact them that night, maybe they should do it again lol
@LagerLout said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@DaGrubster the day of that 'greatest game of Rugby ever' in 2000 in Sydney, the entire team was in a lappy bar in town drinking and err cahorting. Didn't seem to impact them that night, maybe they should do it again lol
Well yeah, cheap buffet innit
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
And Jordie should have been 12 long ago.
Anyone know how many Super Rugby Games Jordie has started at 12 before Foster put him there?
Probably as many as he started on the wing or at 13.
When he filled in at MF during the Lions tour I knew he could do it, as did you. It took a while but everyone else eventually caught up mate...
@canefan said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
And Jordie should have been 12 long ago.
Anyone know how many Super Rugby Games Jordie has started at 12 before Foster put him there?
Probably as many as he started on the wing or at 13.
When he filled in at MF during the Lions tour I knew he could do it, as did you. It took a while but everyone else eventually caught up mate...
Hate to rain on yours and @Rancid-Schnitzel little parade but if you got back through the TSF history books you will find that I was a very early advocate of him playing 2nd 5 when he was just a young pup playing for Canterbury. And sure enough Razor got my emails back in 2016 and played him there….
