Barnes autobiography
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@dogmeat said in Barnes autobiography:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Barnes autobiography:
Some legendary players were forever robbed of a RWC title
I didn't realise the 07 RWC was going to be decided by the winner of the QF between Team one of Pool C and the runner up of Pool D.
When did they decide to revert to playing semi's and a Final?
That squad was as close to a sure thing as RWCs get.
@antipodean and yet the 2011 side which was even stronger and playing at home could easily have lost the Final....
I'm not saying we weren't incredibly unlucky / robbed / whatever in the QF but we have seen how a string of injuries, sendings off etc can undermine even the best teams.
To imply we were definitely going to win in 07 is peak arrogance. Sure we were the favourite, as we have been for most tournaments, but favourites don't always win.
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@antipodean and yet the 2011 side which was even stronger and playing at home could easily have lost the Final....
I'm not saying we weren't incredibly unlucky / robbed / whatever in the QF but we have seen how a string of injuries, sendings off etc can undermine even the best teams.
To imply we were definitely going to win in 07 is peak arrogance. Sure we were the favourite, as we have been for most tournaments, but favourites don't always win.
@dogmeat said in Barnes autobiography:
@antipodean and yet the 2011 side which was even stronger and playing at home could easily have lost the Final....
That's debatable.
To imply we were definitely going to win in 07 is peak arrogance. Sure we were the favourite, as we have been for most tournaments, but favourites don't always win.
Your inference is not what was implied. Simply that that squad was visibly better than the competition.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Barnes autobiography:
Some legendary players were forever robbed of a RWC title
I didn't realise the 07 RWC was going to be decided by the winner of the QF between Team one of Pool C and the runner up of Pool D.
When did they decide to revert to playing semi's and a Final?
@dogmeat said in Barnes autobiography:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Barnes autobiography:
Some legendary players were forever robbed of a RWC title
I didn't realise the 07 RWC was going to be decided by the winner of the QF between Team one of Pool C and the runner up of Pool D.
When did they decide to revert to playing semi's and a Final?
What a ridiculous comment. You know full well what I meant.
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@antipodean and yet the 2011 side which was even stronger and playing at home could easily have lost the Final....
I'm not saying we weren't incredibly unlucky / robbed / whatever in the QF but we have seen how a string of injuries, sendings off etc can undermine even the best teams.
To imply we were definitely going to win in 07 is peak arrogance. Sure we were the favourite, as we have been for most tournaments, but favourites don't always win.
@dogmeat said in Barnes autobiography:
@antipodean and yet the 2011 side which was even stronger and playing at home could easily have lost the Final....
I'm not saying we weren't incredibly unlucky / robbed / whatever in the QF but we have seen how a string of injuries, sendings off etc can undermine even the best teams.
To imply we were definitely going to win in 07 is peak arrogance. Sure we were the favourite, as we have been for most tournaments, but favourites don't always win.
Nobody is implying that we were a certain thing ffs. The argument is that the opportunity was taken away because of reffing incompetence not because they fucked up or were beaten by a better team.
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@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
First, I would expect better from a ref in a RWC qtr final.
Secondly, it very nearly ended his AB coaching career. How fuxking tough would he have had to do it to get the clusterfuck that Wayne barnes produced.
Wayne Barnes can fuck off
Yeah as would I (bolded bit). Not his best outing by a long way, but let down by his touch judges too, who, funnily enough hardly get called out on an individual basis.
Nonetheless for Sir Graham to suggest match fixing as a possibility despite zero evidence is a very poor look and also very poor form.
One does not excuse the other.
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
who, funnily enough hardly get called out on an individual basis
i have far more bones to pick with the touchies than Wayne. The forward pass should have been picked up by the Touchie. There was the most blatant hands in the fuck penalty right in front of the touchie (Wayne was on the other side) that they just ignored. The three of them just put their whistle away that day. Weird.
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@Bones said in Barnes autobiography:
Yeah this is a bit off from Barnes.
what's wrong with this Country?
Aren't you English Wayne? The name Urs Meier mean anything to you?
Here is a quick recap
"He refereed the Euro 2004 quarter-final between England and Portugal at Lisbon, which ended in a 2–2 draw with Portugal proceeding to win on a penalty shootout. In the 90th minute, Sol Campbell found the net, but Meier disallowed the goal citing a push on the Portuguese keeper. After the match Meier's personal details were published by British tabloid newspapers and Meier received more than 16,000 abusive e-mails, including death threats. Reporters from The Sun travelled to Switzerland and placed a giant English flag on a field near his home. As a result, he was placed under police protection"
Why don't you take a big step back and fuck your own face
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@antipodean and yet the 2011 side which was even stronger and playing at home could easily have lost the Final....
I'm not saying we weren't incredibly unlucky / robbed / whatever in the QF but we have seen how a string of injuries, sendings off etc can undermine even the best teams.
To imply we were definitely going to win in 07 is peak arrogance. Sure we were the favourite, as we have been for most tournaments, but favourites don't always win.
Also, with the R&R earlier that year destabilised the team I think.
We weren’t as good in 2007 as we had been in the previous 2 years.
Having said that, a dominant performance over France (and the subsequent win) may have got us clicking into gear.
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@booboo said in Barnes autobiography:
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
You could be right. Who do you think was paid not to take a drop goal?
That's an irrelevant argument, the whole "we had our chances" thing.
We didn't have all the chances we should have had.
It’s our right dammit. OUR RIGHT!
Yeah, you didn’t get the breaks. Everyone knows that. Just like everyone knows that sometimes not getting the breaks is just sport. You didn’t get some of (ok well quite a few) that maybe you should have, but you still had chances; that is not irrelevant.
There are many times when you guys have got the breaks. That’s sport too.
The thing here though is we all tend to fix on the breaks we don’t get, it’s just that some of us don’t dwell on it that long.
Oh and Deans did score!
Damn straight he scored that try. I was there that day and have the video proof of him scoring on my iPhone.
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@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
who, funnily enough hardly get called out on an individual basis
i have far more bones to pick with the touchies than Wayne. The forward pass should have been picked up by the Touchie. There was the most blatant hands in the fuck penalty right in front of the touchie (Wayne was on the other side) that they just ignored. The three of them just put their whistle away that day. Weird.
The hands in the ruck was the most blatant offence
If memory serves me correctly it was deep in their 22 and about 5 metres away from the touch judge.
It really fucks me off to see him put in his book
That apart from the forward pass, what did I miss?
His wife seems to have a big mouth on her so it does provide some comfort that she probably
Bullies him at home
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I doubt that very much. I don’t think he would be able to do that at all.
I had never heard of Wayne Barnes before that game. I would be surprised if Henry had either!
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@antipodean and yet the 2011 side which was even stronger and playing at home could easily have lost the Final....
I'm not saying we weren't incredibly unlucky / robbed / whatever in the QF but we have seen how a string of injuries, sendings off etc can undermine even the best teams.
To imply we were definitely going to win in 07 is peak arrogance. Sure we were the favourite, as we have been for most tournaments, but favourites don't always win.
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Nothing more enjoyable than reading a book about someone who had a life of privilege and then complains about how hard it all was at the end.
Of course the death threats are inexcusable, but he absolutely 100% would have known that any top-level referee would have got abuse and death threats, yet acts shocked, mortified, amazed that it happened to him.
If he'd wanted a life of anonymity then pick a career that gives you that.
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I don’t think 2011 squad was stronger than 2007.
It was the best squad that we had ever taken to a World Cup before.
@DaGrubster Opinion. I think the '11 squad was more experienced, had more players in their prime and some of the new players were better than the options that we had in 07.
I also think the 95 squad is at least as good.
2015 is next level.
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@DaGrubster Opinion. I think the '11 squad was more experienced, had more players in their prime and some of the new players were better than the options that we had in 07.
I also think the 95 squad is at least as good.
2015 is next level.
Yeah it is probably splitting hairs comparing them.
I just thought 2007 was a very good squad with no real weaknesses and was the best squad we had taken to a World Cup to date.
As I told Will Carling the year before, it’s a squad of world class ‘young veterans’ - players with 50-60 caps that were still in their prime. He liked that ‘young veterans’ description!
Of course 1995 was great but it had Mehrtens and Kronfeld in key positions with 1 test each. Also that side was made at the World Cup.
2007 squad were outstanding for 2 years beforehand
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2007 the best squad ever, but not the best 15/23. That 2007 squad had an incredible spread of talent, and a ready made replacement for every position. But in hindsight the top side had a few weak points, and the "even spread of talent" meant far more selection tinkering than ideal.
2015 obviously the best team, just ahead of 1995 (the combination of those two is basically my all time AB team)
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@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
who, funnily enough hardly get called out on an individual basis
i have far more bones to pick with the touchies than Wayne. The forward pass should have been picked up by the Touchie. There was the most blatant hands in the fuck penalty right in front of the touchie (Wayne was on the other side) that they just ignored. The three of them just put their whistle away that day. Weird.
@mariner4life said in Barnes autobiography:
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
who, funnily enough hardly get called out on an individual basis
i have far more bones to pick with the touchies than Wayne. The forward pass should have been picked up by the Touchie. There was the most blatant hands in the fuck penalty right in front of the touchie (Wayne was on the other side) that they just ignored. The three of them just put their whistle away that day. Weird.
Apt
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2007 the best squad ever, but not the best 15/23. That 2007 squad had an incredible spread of talent, and a ready made replacement for every position. But in hindsight the top side had a few weak points, and the "even spread of talent" meant far more selection tinkering than ideal.
2015 obviously the best team, just ahead of 1995 (the combination of those two is basically my all time AB team)
@mariner4life said in Barnes autobiography:
2007 the best squad ever, but not the best 15/23. That 2007 squad had an incredible spread of talent, and a ready made replacement for every position. But in hindsight the top side had a few weak points, and the "even spread of talent" meant far more selection tinkering than ideal.
2015 obviously the best team, just ahead of 1995 (the combination of those two is basically my all time AB team)
Sean Fitzpatrick wouldn't pick a single player from 1995 in his 2015 squad ...
... except himself.
Let's try a XV.
- Dowd (Woody old and crocked, Moody noob replacement)
- Fitzy
- Brown (Franks goes close)
- Retallick
- Whitelock
- Kaino (I mean Brewer?)
- God
- Read (maybe controversial to some but yeah)
- Smith
- DC
- Can't remember his name. Big Tongan chap.
- Nonu
- Smith
- Wilson
- Smith
10-5 split. More 95 than my gut feel thought would be.
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@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
who, funnily enough hardly get called out on an individual basis
i have far more bones to pick with the touchies than Wayne. The forward pass should have been picked up by the Touchie. There was the most blatant hands in the fuck penalty right in front of the touchie (Wayne was on the other side) that they just ignored. The three of them just put their whistle away that day. Weird.
@mariner4life said in Barnes autobiography:
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
who, funnily enough hardly get called out on an individual basis
i have far more bones to pick with the touchies than Wayne. The forward pass should have been picked up by the Touchie. There was the most blatant hands in the fuck penalty right in front of the touchie (Wayne was on the other side) that they just ignored. The three of them just put their whistle away that day. Weird.
What if they did and Wayne ignored them as he's prone to do (you often hear him saying things like "no I saw it and it's ok").
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@booboo said in Barnes autobiography:
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
You could be right. Who do you think was paid not to take a drop goal?
That's an irrelevant argument, the whole "we had our chances" thing.
We didn't have all the chances we should have had.
It’s our right dammit. OUR RIGHT!
Yeah, you didn’t get the breaks. Everyone knows that. Just like everyone knows that sometimes not getting the breaks is just sport. You didn’t get some of (ok well quite a few) that maybe you should have, but you still had chances; that is not irrelevant.
There are many times when you guys have got the breaks. That’s sport too.
The thing here though is we all tend to fix on the breaks we don’t get, it’s just that some of us don’t dwell on it that long.
Oh and Deans did score!
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
@booboo said in Barnes autobiography:
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
You could be right. Who do you think was paid not to take a drop goal?
That's an irrelevant argument, the whole "we had our chances" thing.
We didn't have all the chances we should have had.
It’s our right dammit. OUR RIGHT!
Yeah, you didn’t get the breaks. Everyone knows that. Just like everyone knows that sometimes not getting the breaks is just sport. You didn’t get some of (ok well quite a few) that maybe you should have, but you still had chances; that is not irrelevant.
There are many times when you guys have got the breaks. That’s sport too.
The thing here though is we all tend to fix on the breaks we don’t get, it’s just that some of us don’t dwell on it that long.
Oh and Deans did score!
I'm bored so I'll have another crack at this
Don't agree at all when it comes to this match, it's an absolutely massive statistical outlier at every level of the game. That the IRB refused to even investigate is fishy as well. Why would they not even look at a game like that when so much money is on the line?
The talk about the forward pass from the media and fair weather fans after the match really helped take the focus away from those numbers Henry talks about in his book. I truly, 100% never gave a flying fuck about that pass, forward passes are missed all the time.
However, a team that is getting so completely dominated that they had to make 333 tackles will give away penalties every single time. It's not actually possible to be "disciplined" in that scenario unless you are OK with the other team easily racking up 50+ points. That's just the nature of the game, you get caught offside, coming in from the side, trying to slow the ball down etc because your team is on the back foot all game. Dominance like that leads to penalties or tries. The French were never going to just let us run up a score so they used every trick in the book and the ref turned a blind eye to it for sixty minutes. Sixty fucking minutes he didn't penalise the team getting completely fucked up in every area even once.
You just can't say with a straight face that game is just about "getting breaks". In cricket, games like that are investigated and they often find match fixing and black market betting at play. Why is everyone so certain rugby is immune to corruption?! Why would people not want that game to be properly investigated? It's never sat right with me.
