Barnes autobiography
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Not a lot of love for the 87 team in this thread. They bitch slapped all their opponents that year.
@booboo I'd swap out Read and C Smith for Brooke and Bunce for an 8/7 split.
We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby
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Actually just found it.
https://www.rugbydatabase.co.nz/team/refereeList.php?teamId=3
64% win rate with Wayne barnes (we would have averaged c.85% in 2007-2023)
25 test matches. Many of these would have been during our most dominant period in history too.
I won’t miss him
@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
Actually just found it.
https://www.rugbydatabase.co.nz/team/refereeList.php?teamId=3
That is a fabulous table - especially if you sort by Win percentage.
I didn't realise what a fabulous referee Wayne Ericson was - he's become my all time favourite.
And Romain Poite - it just shows how one poor decision can tarnish a man's name!
I knew Kerry Fitzgerald was good. Stu Dickinson, Alan Lewis, Tony Spreadbury - marvellous referees.
And at the other end of the spectrum a gallery of dodgy Jaapies. Ralph Burmeister, Eddie Hoffmeyr, Piet Robbertse, Oom Gert Bezuidenhout. Fuck ém. They deserved to lose the cricket.
We should never have let Wayne near that whistle in the final. We should have insisted the French roll out Romain - especially knowing how much he owed us.
I could have lived with Angus Gardner - who keeps saying he's crap!!!
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I don’t think he had a bad game in the final by the way.
Bigger issues were the outstanding South African defence and goalkicking and the All Blacks not quite being able to take their chances.
@sparky said in Barnes autobiography:
I don’t think he had a bad game in the final by the way.
Bigger issues were the outstanding South African defence and goalkicking and the All Blacks not quite being able to take their chances.
Im thankful that he's retired
His reffing in the final (in part due to his dreadful assistants) was so bad I stopped watching the test. For the first time ever.
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Listening to various pods featuring Barnes flogging his book, the impression is that he isn't bitter, got some things wrong and is a bit of a self promoter. Now getting rich off his book. Fair play to him, he hasn't let the haters get to him. Somehow I expected more "depth" of character.
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Listening to various pods featuring Barnes flogging his book, the impression is that he isn't bitter, got some things wrong and is a bit of a self promoter. Now getting rich off his book. Fair play to him, he hasn't let the haters get to him. Somehow I expected more "depth" of character.
@W32 said in Barnes autobiography:
Listening to various pods featuring Barnes flogging his book, the impression is that he isn't bitter, got some things wrong and is a bit of a self promoter. Now getting rich off his book. Fair play to him, he hasn't let the haters get to him. Somehow I expected more "depth" of character.
might be a little harsh to judge someone as a self promoter...based of what you heard from them on a literal publicity tour for their book...thats kind of what anyone would come across like in that situation
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@W32 said in Barnes autobiography:
Listening to various pods featuring Barnes flogging his book, the impression is that he isn't bitter, got some things wrong and is a bit of a self promoter. Now getting rich off his book. Fair play to him, he hasn't let the haters get to him. Somehow I expected more "depth" of character.
might be a little harsh to judge someone as a self promoter...based of what you heard from them on a literal publicity tour for their book...thats kind of what anyone would come across like in that situation
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We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby
@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby
Was never sure if we had a great team or the rest of world was pretty crap Grubs. I wandered up to Playford Park and watched Wales who were having a training run on way to Wellington. Some of the local boys put up some oppsition for scrum practice etc, including a couple of Wanerers front rowers and Athletic 'B's hooker, Quinnel who was coaching the Welsh forwards actually told them to lay off a bit as they were starting to give them grief. World rugby was pretty poor late 80s, ABs just turned up and trotted out and won as a matter of course.
Did have some good refs then though, Fitzgerald from Aus I always thought was good, Norling, Hawke etc were all good refs. Mind you we didn't have constant replays etc to ruin games. -
@Kiwiwomble I suppose that's true. Maybe I should read the book
@W32 said in Barnes autobiography:
@Kiwiwomble I suppose that's true. Maybe I should read the book
jeez...dont think i would go that far
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@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby
Was never sure if we had a great team or the rest of world was pretty crap Grubs. I wandered up to Playford Park and watched Wales who were having a training run on way to Wellington. Some of the local boys put up some oppsition for scrum practice etc, including a couple of Wanerers front rowers and Athletic 'B's hooker, Quinnel who was coaching the Welsh forwards actually told them to lay off a bit as they were starting to give them grief. World rugby was pretty poor late 80s, ABs just turned up and trotted out and won as a matter of course.
Did have some good refs then though, Fitzgerald from Aus I always thought was good, Norling, Hawke etc were all good refs. Mind you we didn't have constant replays etc to ruin games.@Dan54 said in Barnes autobiography:
@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby
Was never sure if we had a great team or the rest of world was pretty crap Grubs. I wandered up to Playford Park and watched Wales who were having a training run on way to Wellington. Some of the local boys put up some oppsition for scrum practice etc, including a couple of Wanerers front rowers and Athletic 'B's hooker, Quinnel who was coaching the Welsh forwards actually told them to lay off a bit as they were starting to give them grief. World rugby was pretty poor late 80s, ABs just turned up and trotted out and won as a matter of course.
Did have some good refs then though, Fitzgerald from Aus I always thought was good, Norling, Hawke etc were all good refs. Mind you we didn't have constant replays etc to ruin games.Wales international players got tuned up by munters from Levin ?
Fuck me, it doesn’t get worse than that.
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wait, there are saffers that can read??!!
@mariner4life said in Barnes autobiography:
wait, there are saffers that can read??!!
Yes but by flashlight.
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So Barnes thinks he didn't do much wrong in the 2007 QF apart from miss that forward pass
He's shitty about Henry and GOAT questioning his ethics and his ability in that game
He was horrified at the death threats online, burning effigies, and other shit.
He goes back down in my estimation purely on point 1 alone
@canefan said in Barnes autobiography:
He's shitty about Henry and GOAT questioning his ethics and his ability in that game
He goes back down in my estimation purely on point 1 aloneHave a look at the law company Squire Patton Boggs that he works for and their um interesting record and clients...
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@canefan said in Barnes autobiography:
He's shitty about Henry and GOAT questioning his ethics and his ability in that game
He goes back down in my estimation purely on point 1 aloneHave a look at the law company Squire Patton Boggs that he works for and their um interesting record and clients...
@nostrildamus said in Barnes autobiography:
@canefan said in Barnes autobiography:
He's shitty about Henry and GOAT questioning his ethics and his ability in that game
He goes back down in my estimation purely on point 1 aloneHave a look at the law company Squire Patton Boggs that he works for and their um interesting record and clients...
Arms dealers and Middle Eastern oil caliphates?
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Been thinking about this.
I suspect Barnes had to put something controversial like the NZ stuff in to try and make it vaguely interesting.
An autobiography about refereeing? Good god.
I literally don’t care one iota about his life story. At least Owens is clearly an interesting and entertaining fellow.
Barnes? Yawn.
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@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby
Was never sure if we had a great team or the rest of world was pretty crap Grubs. I wandered up to Playford Park and watched Wales who were having a training run on way to Wellington. Some of the local boys put up some oppsition for scrum practice etc, including a couple of Wanerers front rowers and Athletic 'B's hooker, Quinnel who was coaching the Welsh forwards actually told them to lay off a bit as they were starting to give them grief. World rugby was pretty poor late 80s, ABs just turned up and trotted out and won as a matter of course.
Did have some good refs then though, Fitzgerald from Aus I always thought was good, Norling, Hawke etc were all good refs. Mind you we didn't have constant replays etc to ruin games.The All Blacks were in a pretty poor state going into 1987.
We had the high court injunction in 85, rebel tour in 86, losing to Australia at home, then beaten up in France.
There was probably 3 teams that could have won the RWC in the first tournament and you are right, the international game wasn’t that great. I suppose that’s why no one got within 20 points of us. The next 3 years was a golden period for the ABs too.
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@mariner4life said in Barnes autobiography:
wait, there are saffers that can read??!!
Yes but by flashlight.
@nostrildamus said in Barnes autobiography:
@mariner4life said in Barnes autobiography:
wait, there are saffers that can read??!!
Yes but by flashlight.
One letter away...
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@nostrildamus said in Barnes autobiography:
@canefan said in Barnes autobiography:
He's shitty about Henry and GOAT questioning his ethics and his ability in that game
He goes back down in my estimation purely on point 1 aloneHave a look at the law company Squire Patton Boggs that he works for and their um interesting record and clients...
Arms dealers and Middle Eastern oil caliphates?
@canefan said in Barnes autobiography:
Have a look at the law company Squire Patton Boggs that he works for and their um interesting record and clients...
Arms dealers and Middle Eastern oil caliphates?///
... lose legal battles to Chevron of all companies, and who kill American journalists in embassies and cut them up into little pieces...and https://www.afr.com/companies/professional-services/squire-patton-boggs-300m-claim-misleading-says-getswift-20180717-h12ryc
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@antipodean said in Barnes autobiography:
@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
the death threats are inexcusable though, so i actually give him some credit for sticking at a thankless job after receiving them
It's not the Taliban making threats is it?
I also found Henry's comments surprising, i dont think too many people legitimately thought there was match fixing rather than just a howling fuck up...let alone put it in print
My recollection was Henry was making the point the the match was such an outlier it was a suspicion. The disbelief was the IRB had no mechanism for investigating bizarre matches. And despite Wayne's protestations to the contrary, it was fucking bizarre.
So, in a nutshell “I’m not saying for one minute there was match fixing, but what if there was”?
You would expect better from someone of Henry’s standing.
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
You would expect better from someone of Henry’s standing.
And you'd expect better refereeing in a RWC 1/4 Final.
I'm all in favour of traditional rugby values of respect to the Ref, the opposition and what happens on the field stays on the field and all that stuff. I also applaud WR's attempts to call out the Neanderthals who abuse Refs on social media,
But it's also a 2-way thing and when Refs fuck up royally (I'm talking to you Carley) there needs to be a better, more open and honest way of dealing with it than we have at the moment. The stakes are just too high to simply ignore the problem.
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@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
You would expect better from someone of Henry’s standing.
And you'd expect better refereeing in a RWC 1/4 Final.
I'm all in favour of traditional rugby values of respect to the Ref, the opposition and what happens on the field stays on the field and all that stuff. I also applaud WR's attempts to call out the Neanderthals who abuse Refs on social media,
But it's also a 2-way thing and when Refs fuck up royally (I'm talking to you Carley) there needs to be a better, more open and honest way of dealing with it than we have at the moment. The stakes are just too high to simply ignore the problem.
I agree with all you say and there are times where a guy is out of his depth but came good ie Barnes 2007 and there are times where you think, when will this guy ever come good ie Carley whenever.
Barnes for me is one of the better refs of the last ten years or so. Not without his faults and occasionally making a real howler, but that is most refs. He’s not the best, but nor is he the single reason that NZ haven’t won 12 out of the last 10 world cups.
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@Dan54 said in Barnes autobiography:
@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby
Was never sure if we had a great team or the rest of world was pretty crap Grubs. I wandered up to Playford Park and watched Wales who were having a training run on way to Wellington. Some of the local boys put up some oppsition for scrum practice etc, including a couple of Wanerers front rowers and Athletic 'B's hooker, Quinnel who was coaching the Welsh forwards actually told them to lay off a bit as they were starting to give them grief. World rugby was pretty poor late 80s, ABs just turned up and trotted out and won as a matter of course.
Did have some good refs then though, Fitzgerald from Aus I always thought was good, Norling, Hawke etc were all good refs. Mind you we didn't have constant replays etc to ruin games.Wales international players got tuned up by munters from Levin ?
Fuck me, it doesn’t get worse than that.
@MN5 said in Barnes autobiography:
@Dan54 said in Barnes autobiography:
Wales international players got tuned up by munters from Levin ?
Fuck me, it doesn’t get worse than that.
They genuinely were mate, I was gobsmacked watching it.
