Barnes autobiography
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@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby
Was never sure if we had a great team or the rest of world was pretty crap Grubs. I wandered up to Playford Park and watched Wales who were having a training run on way to Wellington. Some of the local boys put up some oppsition for scrum practice etc, including a couple of Wanerers front rowers and Athletic 'B's hooker, Quinnel who was coaching the Welsh forwards actually told them to lay off a bit as they were starting to give them grief. World rugby was pretty poor late 80s, ABs just turned up and trotted out and won as a matter of course.
Did have some good refs then though, Fitzgerald from Aus I always thought was good, Norling, Hawke etc were all good refs. Mind you we didn't have constant replays etc to ruin games.@Dan54 said in Barnes autobiography:
@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby
Was never sure if we had a great team or the rest of world was pretty crap Grubs. I wandered up to Playford Park and watched Wales who were having a training run on way to Wellington. Some of the local boys put up some oppsition for scrum practice etc, including a couple of Wanerers front rowers and Athletic 'B's hooker, Quinnel who was coaching the Welsh forwards actually told them to lay off a bit as they were starting to give them grief. World rugby was pretty poor late 80s, ABs just turned up and trotted out and won as a matter of course.
Did have some good refs then though, Fitzgerald from Aus I always thought was good, Norling, Hawke etc were all good refs. Mind you we didn't have constant replays etc to ruin games.Wales international players got tuned up by munters from Levin ?
Fuck me, it doesn’t get worse than that.
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wait, there are saffers that can read??!!
@mariner4life said in Barnes autobiography:
wait, there are saffers that can read??!!
Yes but by flashlight.
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So Barnes thinks he didn't do much wrong in the 2007 QF apart from miss that forward pass
He's shitty about Henry and GOAT questioning his ethics and his ability in that game
He was horrified at the death threats online, burning effigies, and other shit.
He goes back down in my estimation purely on point 1 alone
@canefan said in Barnes autobiography:
He's shitty about Henry and GOAT questioning his ethics and his ability in that game
He goes back down in my estimation purely on point 1 aloneHave a look at the law company Squire Patton Boggs that he works for and their um interesting record and clients...
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@canefan said in Barnes autobiography:
He's shitty about Henry and GOAT questioning his ethics and his ability in that game
He goes back down in my estimation purely on point 1 aloneHave a look at the law company Squire Patton Boggs that he works for and their um interesting record and clients...
@nostrildamus said in Barnes autobiography:
@canefan said in Barnes autobiography:
He's shitty about Henry and GOAT questioning his ethics and his ability in that game
He goes back down in my estimation purely on point 1 aloneHave a look at the law company Squire Patton Boggs that he works for and their um interesting record and clients...
Arms dealers and Middle Eastern oil caliphates?
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Been thinking about this.
I suspect Barnes had to put something controversial like the NZ stuff in to try and make it vaguely interesting.
An autobiography about refereeing? Good god.
I literally don’t care one iota about his life story. At least Owens is clearly an interesting and entertaining fellow.
Barnes? Yawn.
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@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby
Was never sure if we had a great team or the rest of world was pretty crap Grubs. I wandered up to Playford Park and watched Wales who were having a training run on way to Wellington. Some of the local boys put up some oppsition for scrum practice etc, including a couple of Wanerers front rowers and Athletic 'B's hooker, Quinnel who was coaching the Welsh forwards actually told them to lay off a bit as they were starting to give them grief. World rugby was pretty poor late 80s, ABs just turned up and trotted out and won as a matter of course.
Did have some good refs then though, Fitzgerald from Aus I always thought was good, Norling, Hawke etc were all good refs. Mind you we didn't have constant replays etc to ruin games.The All Blacks were in a pretty poor state going into 1987.
We had the high court injunction in 85, rebel tour in 86, losing to Australia at home, then beaten up in France.
There was probably 3 teams that could have won the RWC in the first tournament and you are right, the international game wasn’t that great. I suppose that’s why no one got within 20 points of us. The next 3 years was a golden period for the ABs too.
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@mariner4life said in Barnes autobiography:
wait, there are saffers that can read??!!
Yes but by flashlight.
@nostrildamus said in Barnes autobiography:
@mariner4life said in Barnes autobiography:
wait, there are saffers that can read??!!
Yes but by flashlight.
One letter away...
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@nostrildamus said in Barnes autobiography:
@canefan said in Barnes autobiography:
He's shitty about Henry and GOAT questioning his ethics and his ability in that game
He goes back down in my estimation purely on point 1 aloneHave a look at the law company Squire Patton Boggs that he works for and their um interesting record and clients...
Arms dealers and Middle Eastern oil caliphates?
@canefan said in Barnes autobiography:
Have a look at the law company Squire Patton Boggs that he works for and their um interesting record and clients...
Arms dealers and Middle Eastern oil caliphates?///
... lose legal battles to Chevron of all companies, and who kill American journalists in embassies and cut them up into little pieces...and https://www.afr.com/companies/professional-services/squire-patton-boggs-300m-claim-misleading-says-getswift-20180717-h12ryc
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@antipodean said in Barnes autobiography:
@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
the death threats are inexcusable though, so i actually give him some credit for sticking at a thankless job after receiving them
It's not the Taliban making threats is it?
I also found Henry's comments surprising, i dont think too many people legitimately thought there was match fixing rather than just a howling fuck up...let alone put it in print
My recollection was Henry was making the point the the match was such an outlier it was a suspicion. The disbelief was the IRB had no mechanism for investigating bizarre matches. And despite Wayne's protestations to the contrary, it was fucking bizarre.
So, in a nutshell “I’m not saying for one minute there was match fixing, but what if there was”?
You would expect better from someone of Henry’s standing.
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
You would expect better from someone of Henry’s standing.
And you'd expect better refereeing in a RWC 1/4 Final.
I'm all in favour of traditional rugby values of respect to the Ref, the opposition and what happens on the field stays on the field and all that stuff. I also applaud WR's attempts to call out the Neanderthals who abuse Refs on social media,
But it's also a 2-way thing and when Refs fuck up royally (I'm talking to you Carley) there needs to be a better, more open and honest way of dealing with it than we have at the moment. The stakes are just too high to simply ignore the problem.
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@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
You would expect better from someone of Henry’s standing.
And you'd expect better refereeing in a RWC 1/4 Final.
I'm all in favour of traditional rugby values of respect to the Ref, the opposition and what happens on the field stays on the field and all that stuff. I also applaud WR's attempts to call out the Neanderthals who abuse Refs on social media,
But it's also a 2-way thing and when Refs fuck up royally (I'm talking to you Carley) there needs to be a better, more open and honest way of dealing with it than we have at the moment. The stakes are just too high to simply ignore the problem.
I agree with all you say and there are times where a guy is out of his depth but came good ie Barnes 2007 and there are times where you think, when will this guy ever come good ie Carley whenever.
Barnes for me is one of the better refs of the last ten years or so. Not without his faults and occasionally making a real howler, but that is most refs. He’s not the best, but nor is he the single reason that NZ haven’t won 12 out of the last 10 world cups.
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@Dan54 said in Barnes autobiography:
@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby
Was never sure if we had a great team or the rest of world was pretty crap Grubs. I wandered up to Playford Park and watched Wales who were having a training run on way to Wellington. Some of the local boys put up some oppsition for scrum practice etc, including a couple of Wanerers front rowers and Athletic 'B's hooker, Quinnel who was coaching the Welsh forwards actually told them to lay off a bit as they were starting to give them grief. World rugby was pretty poor late 80s, ABs just turned up and trotted out and won as a matter of course.
Did have some good refs then though, Fitzgerald from Aus I always thought was good, Norling, Hawke etc were all good refs. Mind you we didn't have constant replays etc to ruin games.Wales international players got tuned up by munters from Levin ?
Fuck me, it doesn’t get worse than that.
@MN5 said in Barnes autobiography:
@Dan54 said in Barnes autobiography:
Wales international players got tuned up by munters from Levin ?
Fuck me, it doesn’t get worse than that.
They genuinely were mate, I was gobsmacked watching it.
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I agree with all you say and there are times where a guy is out of his depth but came good ie Barnes 2007 and there are times where you think, when will this guy ever come good ie Carley whenever.
Barnes for me is one of the better refs of the last ten years or so. Not without his faults and occasionally making a real howler, but that is most refs. He’s not the best, but nor is he the single reason that NZ haven’t won 12 out of the last 10 world cups.
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
I agree with all you say and there are times where a guy is out of his depth but came good ie Barnes 2007 and there are times where you think, when will this guy ever come good ie Carley whenever.
Barnes for me is one of the better refs of the last ten years or so. Not without his faults and occasionally making a real howler, but that is most refs. He’s not the best, but nor is he the single reason that NZ haven’t won 12 out of the last 10 world cups.
2007 for me was tough. A huge game, and for whatever reason they picked the most inexperienced ref being considered, instead of picking the best ref available. And we all know what happened then. A decision or two is rub of the green. Swallowing one's whistle for 60 minutes, with eye popping stats like that, baffling
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I agree with all you say and there are times where a guy is out of his depth but came good ie Barnes 2007 and there are times where you think, when will this guy ever come good ie Carley whenever.
Barnes for me is one of the better refs of the last ten years or so. Not without his faults and occasionally making a real howler, but that is most refs. He’s not the best, but nor is he the single reason that NZ haven’t won 12 out of the last 10 world cups.
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
but nor is he the single reason that NZ haven’t won 12 out of the last 10 world cups.
I really doubt that anyone has ever said that he was, or even suggested it. Where did that come from?
Some even say that he is the reason we won the next two (personally I don't believe that shit).
It has been said that he was reason that we were knocked out in 2007 though, which I think is a very valid comment.
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@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
but nor is he the single reason that NZ haven’t won 12 out of the last 10 world cups.
I really doubt that anyone has ever said that he was, or even suggested it. Where did that come from?
Some even say that he is the reason we won the next two (personally I don't believe that shit).
It has been said that he was reason that we were knocked out in 2007 though, which I think is a very valid comment.
@Snowy said in Barnes autobiography:
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
but nor is he the single reason that NZ haven’t won 12 out of the last 10 world cups.
I really doubt that anyone has ever said that he was, or even suggested it. Where did that come from?
Some even say that he is the reason we won the next two (personally I don't believe that shit).
It has been said that he was reason that we were knocked out in 2007 though, which I think is a very valid comment.
A major reason, not the only one, but quite the biggest
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I agree with all you say and there are times where a guy is out of his depth but came good ie Barnes 2007 and there are times where you think, when will this guy ever come good ie Carley whenever.
Barnes for me is one of the better refs of the last ten years or so. Not without his faults and occasionally making a real howler, but that is most refs. He’s not the best, but nor is he the single reason that NZ haven’t won 12 out of the last 10 world cups.
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
I agree with all you say and there are times where a guy is out of his depth but came good ie Barnes 2007 and there are times where you think, when will this guy ever come good ie Carley whenever.
Barnes for me is one of the better refs of the last ten years or so. Not without his faults and occasionally making a real howler, but that is most refs. He’s not the best, but nor is he the single reason that NZ haven’t won 12 out of the last 10 world cups.
What's the deal with that last comment? Who has even insinuated that? Ultimately he fůcked up big time and cost us the 2007 QF and any chance at winning the thing (see I didn't suggest we were a sure thing). But I guess it's easy to just shrug shoulders when you weren't on the receiving end.
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@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
but nor is he the single reason that NZ haven’t won 12 out of the last 10 world cups.
I really doubt that anyone has ever said that he was, or even suggested it. Where did that come from?
Some even say that he is the reason we won the next two (personally I don't believe that shit).
It has been said that he was reason that we were knocked out in 2007 though, which I think is a very valid comment.
Apologies. Posting while drunk and a bit pissed off is not a good mix.
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@Catogrande nonsense, drunk and pissed off is exactly how you should be posting on here
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@Catogrande nonsense, drunk and pissed off is exactly how you should be posting on here
@No-Quarter said in Barnes autobiography:
@Catogrande nonsense, drunk and pissed off is exactly how you should be posting on here
Thought it was a requirement...
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I agree with all you say and there are times where a guy is out of his depth but came good ie Barnes 2007 and there are times where you think, when will this guy ever come good ie Carley whenever.
Barnes for me is one of the better refs of the last ten years or so. Not without his faults and occasionally making a real howler, but that is most refs. He’s not the best, but nor is he the single reason that NZ haven’t won 12 out of the last 10 world cups.
Wasn't having a pop at Barnes. Like you, I think Barnes became an excellent ref and I have no problems with the way he reffed the final.
My beef is with the way authorities change guidelines every few games making refereeing difficult, provide almost zero openness or feedback on refereeing quality and then express surprise and shock when confidence in refereeing falls away. It's becoming an open sore.
