All Blacks 2024
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
super rugby had been using Gilbert for a couple of years already hadn't it?
Yes. The ABs used Adidas balls for home tests but Gilbert in all other games, including the RWC.
adidas sponsorship definitely scaling down, use to be boots, balls, and obviously kits for super rugby and above...now just the Black Jersey
Now just all teams in black including boots etc.
is it even the boots anymore? i know players have the option of adidas gear but i thought several played in other boots because they has a preference
The renewed apparel deal, part of a long-lasting collaboration between the two dating back to 1999, secures the supply of adidas playing kits, boots, and footwear to all NZR teams, including All Blacks, Black Ferns, All Blacks Sevens, Black Ferns Sevens, Māori All Blacks, All Blacks XV, New Zealand Under 20’s, and Heartland XV, with playing kit, apparel, boots, and footwear.
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It’s interesting to hear him discuss the enjoyment of new country, team, rugby to help him freshen up mentally as playing in NZ year after year was getting stale for him.
If Ardie announced he was off - As current world player of the year/senior AB in his prime/best player in the team/potential captain and major leader of past regime…. would that make NZR seriously rethink or change its eligibility rules?
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It’s interesting to hear him discuss the enjoyment of new country, team, rugby to help him freshen up mentally as playing in NZ year after year was getting stale for him.
If Ardie announced he was off - As current world player of the year/senior AB in his prime/best player in the team/potential captain and major leader of past regime…. would that make NZR seriously rethink or change its eligibility rules?
Ardie is 31 this year, so it's not like he's a spring chicken so he could feasibly be in that age of wanting to move on even accounting for everything you list there.
But changing for Ardie is as dumb as changing for Mo or any individual player.
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i do wish NZR would concentrate on making sure the NZ domestic comps, in whatever form they take, are just good enough to be bring the next guys through so it doesnt matter when older guys look overseas
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@george33 didnt Cron finish before Fozzie took over?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 didnt Cron finish before Fozzie took over?
Mike finished for the ABs in 2019 great bloke is a good Canterbury man from the Christchurch club.
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Interesting interview with Ardie. Takeaways:
- Thinks the overseas player rule will have to change
- He's enjoying Japan and finds it mentally refreshing
- Learning a lot from working with different coaches
- NZ Rugby needs to change
- Doesn't miss NZ fans piling in on players after a loss
- Avaialable for the AB's from June
- Has had minimal contact with Robertson
- Will "Wait and see" before he pulls an AB jersey on again - needs to make the squad first. Hopes his Japan experience will count.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
He's enjoying Japan and finds it mentally refreshing
The whole point of a sabbatical is to refresh. That's why NZR doesn't mind players doing it. And why they would mind if it were two years in France.
Next Ardie will be telling us how he really likes taking holidays.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 didnt Cron finish before Fozzie took over?
Mike finished for the ABs in 2019 great bloke is a good Canterbury man from the Christchurch club.
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@Chris thought so, was more what seemed to be being inferred in the post i responded to.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris thought so, was more what seemed to be being inferred in the post i responded to.
Trying to read it caused me a mental break, so maybe he was talking about how good the sabbaticals are for the mind?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris thought so, was more what seemed to be being inferred in the post i responded to.
Trying to read it caused me a mental break, so maybe he was talking about how good the sabbaticals are for the mind?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris thought so, was more what seemed to be being inferred in the post i responded to.
Trying to read it caused me a mental break, so maybe he was talking about how good the sabbaticals are for the mind?
Please don’t have a fern sabbatical. You’re one of my favourite guys on here.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fakatava has done nothing this year to justify his name being in the selection frame. For every good thing he does, he makes two or three bad decisions or passes. I'm not saying he won't get there with time, we all saw how good he was a few years back, but he's currently a shadow of that player and what he really needs now is consistent minutes on the park, not spending all his time on the training field.
I think we'll likely see Christie, Perenara and Ratima selected for the July Tests, with Roigard potentially returning to the mix for the EOYT. Fakatava should spend a full season playing for the Highlanders and Hawke's Bay.
Throughout the squad there shouldn't be too many changes...
Gone are Dane Coles, Nepo Laulala, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Shannon Frizell, Aaron Smith, Cam Roigard, Richie Mo'unga, Leicester Fainga'anuku and Will Jordan (injury).
Given the above turnover, it's unlikely that someone experienced like Ofa Tu'ungafasi (and still young, in propping terms) will miss out. Ardie Savea, Sam Cane and Beauden Barrett will all likely still be selected too.
Coles - Aumua
Laulala - Ma'u, Numia, Dyer
Whitelock/Retallick - Lord and Tuipulotu, Strange, Walker-Leawere, McWhannell
Frizell - Ioane or Sotutu, Grace
Smith/Roigard - Perenara and Ratima
Mo'unga - Love or Perofeta
Fainga'anuku - Narawa, Proctor
Jordan - StevensonBower to replace Laulala rated highly by Ryan, even though he is a LH
he can cover TH so can Willliams.@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fakatava has done nothing this year to justify his name being in the selection frame. For every good thing he does, he makes two or three bad decisions or passes. I'm not saying he won't get there with time, we all saw how good he was a few years back, but he's currently a shadow of that player and what he really needs now is consistent minutes on the park, not spending all his time on the training field.
I think we'll likely see Christie, Perenara and Ratima selected for the July Tests, with Roigard potentially returning to the mix for the EOYT. Fakatava should spend a full season playing for the Highlanders and Hawke's Bay.
Throughout the squad there shouldn't be too many changes...
Gone are Dane Coles, Nepo Laulala, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Shannon Frizell, Aaron Smith, Cam Roigard, Richie Mo'unga, Leicester Fainga'anuku and Will Jordan (injury).
Given the above turnover, it's unlikely that someone experienced like Ofa Tu'ungafasi (and still young, in propping terms) will miss out. Ardie Savea, Sam Cane and Beauden Barrett will all likely still be selected too.
Coles - Aumua
Laulala - Ma'u, Numia, Dyer
Whitelock/Retallick - Lord and Tuipulotu, Strange, Walker-Leawere, McWhannell
Frizell - Ioane or Sotutu, Grace
Smith/Roigard - Perenara and Ratima
Mo'unga - Love or Perofeta
Fainga'anuku - Narawa, Proctor
Jordan - StevensonBower to replace Laulala rated highly by Ryan, even though he is a LH
he can cover TH so can Willliams.Please not Tamaiti at TH.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It’s interesting to hear him discuss the enjoyment of new country, team, rugby to help him freshen up mentally as playing in NZ year after year was getting stale for him.
If Ardie announced he was off - As current world player of the year/senior AB in his prime/best player in the team/potential captain and major leader of past regime…. would that make NZR seriously rethink or change its eligibility rules?
Ardie is 31 this year, so it's not like he's a spring chicken so he could feasibly be in that age of wanting to move on even accounting for everything you list there.
But changing for Ardie is as dumb as changing for Mo or any individual player.
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Why are some getting all surprised, or even upset at what Ardie has said or done.
He went to Japan for a season, get a few extra $s and play some rugby that is not quite so intense, and then said he kind of refreshed after it, pretty well what every rugby player that does it has since, shit I remember Leon MacDonald saying couple of years there set him up, body and mind came right. And Ardie says he thinks he would like to see changes to eligiblity rules , shock ,horror, how dear he utter words we don't agree with, I against , but if ABs are only allowed to have same opinions as me, it's time for a few to pack it in I suppose. Christ almighty, some want a bit of a change, a breather form the relentless pressure they get in NZ, where like it or not we think they belong to us! Read Richie McCaws book when he talks of being at restaraunt , and some woman shoving a phone in his face so he would say hello to her friend. Like when Richie, DC, Conrad etc etc had either year breaks or a season somewhere else, if it allows them to play longer good on them.
How many people that we know have gone for the big OE etc and we applaud them? -
Why are some getting all surprised, or even upset at what Ardie has said or done.
He went to Japan for a season, get a few extra $s and play some rugby that is not quite so intense, and then said he kind of refreshed after it, pretty well what every rugby player that does it has since, shit I remember Leon MacDonald saying couple of years there set him up, body and mind came right. And Ardie says he thinks he would like to see changes to eligiblity rules , shock ,horror, how dear he utter words we don't agree with, I against , but if ABs are only allowed to have same opinions as me, it's time for a few to pack it in I suppose. Christ almighty, some want a bit of a change, a breather form the relentless pressure they get in NZ, where like it or not we think they belong to us! Read Richie McCaws book when he talks of being at restaraunt , and some woman shoving a phone in his face so he would say hello to her friend. Like when Richie, DC, Conrad etc etc had either year breaks or a season somewhere else, if it allows them to play longer good on them.
How many people that we know have gone for the big OE etc and we applaud them?@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Why are some getting all surprised, or even upset at what Ardie has said or done.
Ardie should maybe just focus on the game itself. When he's asked questions about, for example, picking overseas players he should maybe just not answer (likewise Razor). Because there's always a self-interest aspect. Thats what his answer comes across like to me. I would like to play overseas (it's so wonderful) and earn big money but still be picked for the AB's. My view is if he wants to go overseas just go.
And he shouldn't criticise super rugby (as he does). My view is it's a big plus that just NZ, Aust and PI Island teams are involved. The issue is the uneven teams. Esp Aust teams being weaker still. Hopefully the Rebels get the boot but even with 4 teams ... . And MP are still a joke.
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Yeah it is, I was just wondering if the world player of the year leaving may have shocked the NZR.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Yeah it is, I was just wondering if the world player of the year leaving may have shocked the NZR.
If he was 25 yes, less so if he was leaving at 31.
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Why are some getting all surprised, or even upset at what Ardie has said or done.
He went to Japan for a season, get a few extra $s and play some rugby that is not quite so intense, and then said he kind of refreshed after it, pretty well what every rugby player that does it has since, shit I remember Leon MacDonald saying couple of years there set him up, body and mind came right. And Ardie says he thinks he would like to see changes to eligiblity rules , shock ,horror, how dear he utter words we don't agree with, I against , but if ABs are only allowed to have same opinions as me, it's time for a few to pack it in I suppose. Christ almighty, some want a bit of a change, a breather form the relentless pressure they get in NZ, where like it or not we think they belong to us! Read Richie McCaws book when he talks of being at restaraunt , and some woman shoving a phone in his face so he would say hello to her friend. Like when Richie, DC, Conrad etc etc had either year breaks or a season somewhere else, if it allows them to play longer good on them.
How many people that we know have gone for the big OE etc and we applaud them?@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
And Ardie says he thinks he would like to see changes to eligiblity rules , shock ,horror, how dear he utter words we don't agree with
Fuck sake Dan.
Someone says something.
Someone disagrees.
It's not "shock horror".
Ardie's statement about eligibility is pure self interest and I disagree that it's in the best interest of NZ rugby.
The policy is not about short sightedly picking some potentially marginally better players for a quick fix of a couple of results at All Black level, it's about trying to maintain the highest level of footy in NZ for the greater good of the game.
You take some strange positions sometimes when someone disagrees with someone in authority.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Why are some getting all surprised, or even upset at what Ardie has said or done.
Ardie should maybe just focus on the game itself. When he's asked questions about, for example, picking overseas players he should maybe just not answer (likewise Razor). Because there's always a self-interest aspect. Thats what his answer comes across like to me. I would like to play overseas (it's so wonderful) and earn big money but still be picked for the AB's. My view is if he wants to go overseas just go.
And he shouldn't criticise super rugby (as he does). My view is it's a big plus that just NZ, Aust and PI Island teams are involved. The issue is the uneven teams. Esp Aust teams being weaker still. Hopefully the Rebels get the boot but even with 4 teams ... . And MP are still a joke.
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Why are some getting all surprised, or even upset at what Ardie has said or done.
Ardie should maybe just focus on the game itself. When he's asked questions about, for example, picking overseas players he should maybe just not answer (likewise Razor). Because there's always a self-interest aspect. Thats what his answer comes across like to me. I would like to play overseas (it's so wonderful) and earn big money but still be picked for the AB's. My view is if he wants to go overseas just go.
And he shouldn't criticise super rugby (as he does). My view is it's a big plus that just NZ, Aust and PI Island teams are involved. The issue is the uneven teams. Esp Aust teams being weaker still. Hopefully the Rebels get the boot but even with 4 teams ... . And MP are still a joke.
Who are you to say what anyone 'should' say?
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
And Ardie says he thinks he would like to see changes to eligiblity rules , shock ,horror, how dear he utter words we don't agree with
Fuck sake Dan.
Someone says something.
Someone disagrees.
It's not "shock horror".
Ardie's statement about eligibility is pure self interest and I disagree that it's in the best interest of NZ rugby.
The policy is not about short sightedly picking some potentially marginally better players for a quick fix of a couple of results at All Black level, it's about trying to maintain the highest level of footy in NZ for the greater good of the game.
You take some strange positions sometimes when someone disagrees with someone in authority.
@booboo yeah fair enough, just struck me as a lot of responses to what looks like a not over the top answer.
Mind you I haven't heard the interview , and so perhaps he was pushing for it?
See I didn't even think Razor was over the top suggesting keeping an open mind, and hell I against the idea of it being allowed. -
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Why are some getting all surprised, or even upset at what Ardie has said or done.
Ardie should maybe just focus on the game itself. When he's asked questions about, for example, picking overseas players he should maybe just not answer (likewise Razor). Because there's always a self-interest aspect. Thats what his answer comes across like to me. I would like to play overseas (it's so wonderful) and earn big money but still be picked for the AB's. My view is if he wants to go overseas just go.
And he shouldn't criticise super rugby (as he does). My view is it's a big plus that just NZ, Aust and PI Island teams are involved. The issue is the uneven teams. Esp Aust teams being weaker still. Hopefully the Rebels get the boot but even with 4 teams ... . And MP are still a joke.
@Winger im surprised, i thought you would have been all for some individual thinking and not having to tow the company line
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Ardie should maybe just focus on the game itself. When he's asked questions about, for example, picking overseas players he should maybe just not answer (likewise Razor). Because there's always a self-interest aspect. Thats what his answer comes across like to me. I would like to play overseas (it's so wonderful) and earn big money but still be picked for the AB's. My view is if he wants to go overseas just go.
i dont actually see whats wrong with a player saying that, he's been in the system and so his opinion is probably more valid (at very least just as valid) as anyone elses
id say almost all players would say they'd love to earn more money and still get picked for the AB's
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
And Ardie says he thinks he would like to see changes to eligiblity rules , shock ,horror, how dear he utter words we don't agree with
Fuck sake Dan.
Someone says something.
Someone disagrees.
It's not "shock horror".
Ardie's statement about eligibility is pure self interest and I disagree that it's in the best interest of NZ rugby.
The policy is not about short sightedly picking some potentially marginally better players for a quick fix of a couple of results at All Black level, it's about trying to maintain the highest level of footy in NZ for the greater good of the game.
You take some strange positions sometimes when someone disagrees with someone in authority.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
The policy is not about short sightedly picking some potentially marginally better players for a quick fix of a couple of results at All Black level, it's about trying to maintain the highest level of footy in NZ for the greater good of the game.
I can see more players getting sabbaticals in the next few years. It may be a good compromise between NZ-only selection and picking from overseas players. That way NZR maintains control and focus on developing players in NZ.
