All Blacks 2024
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Cane@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Canediscipline: the new proposed captain should be a goner too, the only AB to have two red cards in tests.
TBF, is our defence that bad, the GREATEST team in the world couldn't score a try against our mostly 14 man team.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Canediscipline: the new proposed captain should be a goner too, the only AB to have two red cards in tests.
TBF, is our defence that bad, the GREATEST team in the world couldn't score a try against our mostly 14 man team.
@Nepia yeah, definitely more worried about scooter
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Canediscipline: the new proposed captain should be a goner too, the only AB to have two red cards in tests.
TBF, is our defence that bad, the GREATEST team in the world couldn't score a try against our mostly 14 man team.
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@Nepia our defence improved quite alot last year.
Our goal line defence had always been pretty good under McLeod but when it came to defending depth, we really struggled.
But our discipline remained poor last year.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
But our discipline remained poor last year.
And it's interesting to see him calling that out specifically, because his crusaders teams trod all over the refs, so hopefully he realises that won't fly at test level.
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GOAT
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Canediscipline: the new proposed captain should be a goner too, the only AB to have two red cards in tests.
TBF, is our defence that bad, the GREATEST team in the world couldn't score a try against our mostly 14 man team.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Canediscipline: the new proposed captain should be a goner too, the only AB to have two red cards in tests.
TBF, is our defence that bad, the GREATEST team in the world couldn't score a try against our mostly 14 man team.
Defence is not just about stopping tries, it's about stopping points. They won, and indeed we conceded the most ever points by an AB team this year. So yes, defence is a major concern
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Canediscipline: the new proposed captain should be a goner too, the only AB to have two red cards in tests.
TBF, is our defence that bad, the GREATEST team in the world couldn't score a try against our mostly 14 man team.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
"The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
So that sounds like bye-bye to
kicking: BB
defensive game: Will Jordan
discipline: Sam Canediscipline: the new proposed captain should be a goner too, the only AB to have two red cards in tests.
TBF, is our defence that bad, the GREATEST team in the world couldn't score a try against our mostly 14 man team.
Um, our locking stocks are shaky as it is.
TBF, is our defence that bad
It is if the opposition can get cards and penalties from it.
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I am completely on board with Razor ( as I am with all AB coaches), but have to agree looked very much like that was an Eddie Jones type thing last night. I am here now and it's going to be about me?
I do say probably wasn't what it was about at all, but something that struck me when Mrs said to me doesn't it sound like he is making it all about himself? Just could well of been how it was editted or questions were asked by Sumo.@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby
NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan
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Interesting to listen to Razor on Newstalk ZB about how the coaching team will focus on players during Super Rugby
Leon will focus on outside backs, Holland midfield, Scott Hansen halves, Razor loosies and Jase Ryan tight 5.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Interesting to listen to Razor on Newstalk ZB about how the coaching team will focus on players during Super Rugby
Leon will focus on outside backs, Holland midfield, Scott Hansen halves, Razor loosies and Jase Ryan tight 5.
Depends on what is meant by focus. Watching players is one thing (what every coaching setup does), working with SR coaching teams is another. I hope it's the latter and NZR can facilitate if needed, but as someone up the thread said, if SR coaches don't play ball, Robertson and co can't complain.
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@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby
NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby
NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan
I don't think innovation can be all down to Robertson - needs to be an effort across the piece. From what I read of Carwyn James, his style & thinking was pretty much established in Wales before he took over the Lions coaching role. (And amazing to think that James - arguably the greatest coach of them all - never coached Wales).
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
I'm a fan of reading statements like this:
"At test level it is different. Having been at the World Cup, they are bigger bodies, there are more small moments that have big margins on them,'' Robertson noted."The kicking game is so critical, the defensive game and the discipline. So how can you embed those core things early? You can be open to all information or be really, really clear.
@antipodean Imagine the shock if the bolded text actually means that Razor:
(i) isn't giving the number 15 jersey to Will Jordan but instead plans to give it to Shaun Stevenson or Zarn Sullivan;
(ii) those that got Yellow and Red cards in the RWC have disqualified themselves from consideration for captaincy;
(iii) Rieko in the number 13 jersey is not a done deal;
(iv) A goalkicker with a 90-95% success rate is on the shopping list (even if he doesn't have the razzle dazzle) -
@antipodean Imagine the shock if the bolded text actually means that Razor:
(i) isn't giving the number 15 jersey to Will Jordan but instead plans to give it to Shaun Stevenson or Zarn Sullivan;
(ii) those that got Yellow and Red cards in the RWC have disqualified themselves from consideration for captaincy;
(iii) Rieko in the number 13 jersey is not a done deal;
(iv) A goalkicker with a 90-95% success rate is on the shopping list (even if he doesn't have the razzle dazzle)@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
those that got Yellow and Red cards in the RWC have disqualified themselves from consideration for captaincy;
The GOAT says "Hold my beer"
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Interesting to listen to Razor on Newstalk ZB about how the coaching team will focus on players during Super Rugby
Leon will focus on outside backs, Holland midfield, Scott Hansen halves, Razor loosies and Jase Ryan tight 5.
Depends on what is meant by focus. Watching players is one thing (what every coaching setup does), working with SR coaching teams is another. I hope it's the latter and NZR can facilitate if needed, but as someone up the thread said, if SR coaches don't play ball, Robertson and co can't complain.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Interesting to listen to Razor on Newstalk ZB about how the coaching team will focus on players during Super Rugby
Leon will focus on outside backs, Holland midfield, Scott Hansen halves, Razor loosies and Jase Ryan tight 5.
Depends on what is meant by focus. Watching players is one thing (what every coaching setup does), working with SR coaching teams is another. I hope it's the latter and NZR can facilitate if needed, but as someone up the thread said, if SR coaches don't play ball, Robertson and co can't complain.
He actually does talk about this in the interview. It's the latter and he talks about 'going through the front door' in dealing with SR coaches. Reading between the lines it sounds like he thinks there can improvements in how this is done compared to recent years.
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@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby
NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby
NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan
Mate not in anyway arguing against Razor doing shows etc, and I not sure I have ever felt that the coach wasn't main man for ABs. Was just commenting on how Mrs etc thought of how it was going. I have enjoyed Ryan being in press an awful lot since he been forward coach (he genuinely has been) but also has just been very interesting about how he saw game going and elements of it rather than himself. Once again it not against Razor who I completely support etc, just the way I thought perhaps the show/questions were asked etc.
Also I do actually have a little worry when the coach is so important, as you mention Carwyn James, who was not someone who was front and centre, but get worried when you end up with press making it too much. I give you Eddie Jones who I believe has always made it about himself etc.
I DO NOT think Razor is anyway like him and don't want to get him like that. I will admit, would personally prefer he never did a breakdance again (find it cringeworthy) , which is what he is probably know for as much as his coaching almost overseas. -
I will say it great to see him getting in amongst it with Super coaches etc, spending time with MacMillan and so on.
Also like how particular coaches are looking at certain positions in super comp ,although I think this is generally how it done anyway, but maybe a little more specific. I remember being at a lunch in Brisbane when Foxy talked about how it worked, he was a selector at time. It has always been that way for quite sometime, just expanding it a bit. Not sure if all will be selectors or feed info into group. -
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby
NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan
Mate not in anyway arguing against Razor doing shows etc, and I not sure I have ever felt that the coach wasn't main man for ABs. Was just commenting on how Mrs etc thought of how it was going. I have enjoyed Ryan being in press an awful lot since he been forward coach (he genuinely has been) but also has just been very interesting about how he saw game going and elements of it rather than himself. Once again it not against Razor who I completely support etc, just the way I thought perhaps the show/questions were asked etc.
Also I do actually have a little worry when the coach is so important, as you mention Carwyn James, who was not someone who was front and centre, but get worried when you end up with press making it too much. I give you Eddie Jones who I believe has always made it about himself etc.
I DO NOT think Razor is anyway like him and don't want to get him like that. I will admit, would personally prefer he never did a breakdance again (find it cringeworthy) , which is what he is probably know for as much as his coaching almost overseas.@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby
NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan
Mate not in anyway arguing against Razor doing shows etc, and I not sure I have ever felt that the coach wasn't main man for ABs. Was just commenting on how Mrs etc thought of how it was going. I have enjoyed Ryan being in press an awful lot since he been forward coach (he genuinely has been) but also has just been very interesting about how he saw game going and elements of it rather than himself. Once again it not against Razor who I completely support etc, just the way I thought perhaps the show/questions were asked etc.
Also I do actually have a little worry when the coach is so important, as you mention Carwyn James, who was not someone who was front and centre, but get worried when you end up with press making it too much. I give you Eddie Jones who I believe has always made it about himself etc.
I DO NOT think Razor is anyway like him and don't want to get him like that. I will admit, would personally prefer he never did a breakdance again (find it cringeworthy) , which is what he is probably know for as much as his coaching almost overseas.it wouldnt bother me if he did the breakdance after a WC win ,
But dont want to see it as a yearly thing winning bledisloes , rugby championships etc
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Fลฏck pretty words, it's all about deeds. Plenty of these guys have a silver tongue but can't deliver on what they promise. It appears Hammett hypnotised everyone who came into contact with him but it was all talk.
I'm optimistic about Razor, but that's because he has achieved so much success and has the runs on the board.
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Fลฏck pretty words, it's all about deeds. Plenty of these guys have a silver tongue but can't deliver on what they promise. It appears Hammett hypnotised everyone who came into contact with him but it was all talk.
I'm optimistic about Razor, but that's because he has achieved so much success and has the runs on the board.
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An honest question but isn't everyone in the rebuilding phase ex the RWC? So we can't really use that as an excuse if everyone else is in the same boat?
Are there any teams that genuinely aren't? SA maybe?
@Windows97 SA definitely need to get younger players in. This group bar one or two players will be too old at the next WC. Will be interesting to see what the first test team post WC looks like
