All Blacks 2024
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bones Who would you prefer there? Love? Sullivan? Jordan?
I just hope others can step up. Going off this year I'd be looking hard at Stevenson (especially for his combination with DMac and ability to create space, as well as that big boot) and Sullivan.
Jordan can stay on the wing if he's lucky, at least he does less harm from there.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bones Who would you prefer there? Love? Sullivan? Jordan?
I just hope others can step up. Going off this year I'd be looking hard at Stevenson (especially for his combination with DMac and ability to create space, as well as that big boot) and Sullivan.
Jordan can stay on the wing if he's lucky, at least he does less harm from there.
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@Bones I'd love to see a Harbour player become a first choice AB (who was the last one?). Hopefully Robertson can get the best out of him.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bones I'd love to see a Harbour player become a first choice AB (who was the last one?). Hopefully Robertson can get the best out of him.
Tony Woodcock in 2015, and Mark Telea now.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Tony Woodcock
Imagine a time when Ta$man were just Ta$man.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@canefan of course, i think everything said is with the caveat of we may be proven wrong, can only base it on what weve seen to date
But I agree with you about the money. He'll be paid a lot if he ends up missing out on selection at some stage
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@canefan of course, i think everything said is with the caveat of we may be proven wrong, can only base it on what weve seen to date
But I agree with you about the money. He'll be paid a lot if he ends up missing out on selection at some stage
Who actually knows what he's getting paid under new contract? There seems to be a lot of assumptions going on here unless someone has seen contract etc. I would guess his contract is what NZR and the ones who control money figure it is what he is worth, in playing ability and marketing etc.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby what i mean he'll be getting paid the same as last year (or more) when he was a nailed on starter....so paying someone that way when they might not get selected seems poor business
Will he? I thought a large part of it was a blues benefactor? Plus I'm pretty sure you only get the big bucks if you get selected and played for the ABs, isn't it? A payout for selection, then per game played?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby what i mean he'll be getting paid the same as last year (or more) when he was a nailed on starter....so paying someone that way when they might not get selected seems poor business
Will he? I thought a large part of it was a blues benefactor? Plus I'm pretty sure you only get the big bucks if you get selected and played for the ABs, isn't it? A payout for selection, then per game played?
maybe im wrong, hadn't heard about a benefactor and actually didnt think that was allowed as it would be a way around the salary cap. and i didnt think AB's got paid per game, my understanding was once you we selected/played for the AB's you stepped up and were paid a higher salary, but i honestly dont know enough to argue so if everyone else is cool then all good
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
True, but the point I'm making is the circumstances are very different. A 4 year deal for BB makes less sense
Think you are missing the wider point. Is keeping our best players in New Zealand not a good thing for keeping Super Rugby strong? Even if he isn't still at his peak, he is still a great pro to have playing locally.
I'd trust Razor to make the tough calls, and to use Barrett how he sees fit in the environment. Rightly or wrongly, I think there is every chance Razor backs himself to get Beauden back playing to the best of his abilities as a 10.
No, not missing the wider point at all. As I've said, have zero problems or concerns with BB being signed up to provide continuity. I will have concerns if Robertson doesn't develop options at 10 & 15 and a 36yr-old BB is the incumbent
That's such a sweeping statement though. Absolutely possible that Razor gives him a second wind... it's not like he is 36 now, he is 32.
He'll be 36 if Robertson sticks with him until RWC2027. Not even Coach Jesus can wind clocks back
Could reinvent himself though. Sexton was 37 at the RWC... I'd imagine Barrett is very disciplined with his lifestyle. We all go on about his whole game being built around pace, but I still say, let's give him a chance playing as a 10 for Razor before passing real judgement.
more than happy to give him a chance...4 year contract just seems like more than "a chance"
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Gregor Paul opinion piece, so likely worthless, but sounds encouraging:
Crystal Ball time:
1 de Groot
2 Taukei'aho
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Lord
6 ?
7 Papalii
8 Savea
9 Roigard
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Jordan
15 Barrett@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Gregor Paul opinion piece, so likely worthless, but sounds encouraging:
Crystal Ball time:
1 de Groot
2 Taukei'aho
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Lord
6 ?
7 Papalii
8 Savea
9 Roigard
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Jordan
15 BarrettThat's not an awful XV (well XIV).
Options at 6 (in no particular order):
Finau
Blackadder
Grace
Ioane
Sotutu
Vaa'i
Ah Kuoi
(The last two speculation on my part.)
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby what i mean he'll be getting paid the same as last year (or more) when he was a nailed on starter....so paying someone that way when they might not get selected seems poor business
Will he? I thought a large part of it was a blues benefactor? Plus I'm pretty sure you only get the big bucks if you get selected and played for the ABs, isn't it? A payout for selection, then per game played?
maybe im wrong, hadn't heard about a benefactor and actually didnt think that was allowed as it would be a way around the salary cap. and i didnt think AB's got paid per game, my understanding was once you we selected/played for the AB's you stepped up and were paid a higher salary, but i honestly dont know enough to argue so if everyone else is cool then all good
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
True, but the point I'm making is the circumstances are very different. A 4 year deal for BB makes less sense
Think you are missing the wider point. Is keeping our best players in New Zealand not a good thing for keeping Super Rugby strong? Even if he isn't still at his peak, he is still a great pro to have playing locally.
I'd trust Razor to make the tough calls, and to use Barrett how he sees fit in the environment. Rightly or wrongly, I think there is every chance Razor backs himself to get Beauden back playing to the best of his abilities as a 10.
No, not missing the wider point at all. As I've said, have zero problems or concerns with BB being signed up to provide continuity. I will have concerns if Robertson doesn't develop options at 10 & 15 and a 36yr-old BB is the incumbent
That's such a sweeping statement though. Absolutely possible that Razor gives him a second wind... it's not like he is 36 now, he is 32.
He'll be 36 if Robertson sticks with him until RWC2027. Not even Coach Jesus can wind clocks back
Could reinvent himself though. Sexton was 37 at the RWC... I'd imagine Barrett is very disciplined with his lifestyle. We all go on about his whole game being built around pace, but I still say, let's give him a chance playing as a 10 for Razor before passing real judgement.
more than happy to give him a chance...4 year contract just seems like more than "a chance"
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby what i mean he'll be getting paid the same as last year (or more) when he was a nailed on starter....so paying someone that way when they might not get selected seems poor business
Will he? I thought a large part of it was a blues benefactor? Plus I'm pretty sure you only get the big bucks if you get selected and played for the ABs, isn't it? A payout for selection, then per game played?
maybe im wrong, hadn't heard about a benefactor and actually didnt think that was allowed as it would be a way around the salary cap. and i didnt think AB's got paid per game, my understanding was once you we selected/played for the AB's you stepped up and were paid a higher salary, but i honestly dont know enough to argue so if everyone else is cool then all good
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
True, but the point I'm making is the circumstances are very different. A 4 year deal for BB makes less sense
Think you are missing the wider point. Is keeping our best players in New Zealand not a good thing for keeping Super Rugby strong? Even if he isn't still at his peak, he is still a great pro to have playing locally.
I'd trust Razor to make the tough calls, and to use Barrett how he sees fit in the environment. Rightly or wrongly, I think there is every chance Razor backs himself to get Beauden back playing to the best of his abilities as a 10.
No, not missing the wider point at all. As I've said, have zero problems or concerns with BB being signed up to provide continuity. I will have concerns if Robertson doesn't develop options at 10 & 15 and a 36yr-old BB is the incumbent
That's such a sweeping statement though. Absolutely possible that Razor gives him a second wind... it's not like he is 36 now, he is 32.
He'll be 36 if Robertson sticks with him until RWC2027. Not even Coach Jesus can wind clocks back
Could reinvent himself though. Sexton was 37 at the RWC... I'd imagine Barrett is very disciplined with his lifestyle. We all go on about his whole game being built around pace, but I still say, let's give him a chance playing as a 10 for Razor before passing real judgement.
more than happy to give him a chance...4 year contract just seems like more than "a chance"
The benefactor thing is allowed, just doesn't get used that often (I think the Blues are the only side to really use it)... happened with RTS. I believe a few of the other teams offered the max amount, and then the Blues blew them out the water with an extra 400k.
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I hope he kicks on, had a bad run with injuries
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I hope he kicks on, had a bad run with injuries
Not sure he is really been slept on though, didn't he play for All Blacks XV couple years ago?@Darren said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
I hope he kicks on, had a bad run with injuries
Not sure he is really been slept on though, didn't he play for All Blacks XV couple years ago?I'd still say he is slept on. A lot of the chatter about the next All Blacks fullback is Jordan, Stevenson and Sullivan.
I think Love could easily be better than all three.
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From the 2023 injury list, Would expect Quinn Tupaea and Sevu Reece to be in the running for Robertsons squads in 2024. Emoji Narawa also. Hard to see Joe Moody making it back to AB level though.
@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Sevu Reece
Isn't he approaching the magic retiring age for All Black wingers?
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i had completely forgotten about reece....would like to see reece, Telea and Jordan back three at some point
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby what i mean he'll be getting paid the same as last year (or more) when he was a nailed on starter....so paying someone that way when they might not get selected seems poor business
Will he? I thought a large part of it was a blues benefactor? Plus I'm pretty sure you only get the big bucks if you get selected and played for the ABs, isn't it? A payout for selection, then per game played?
maybe im wrong, hadn't heard about a benefactor and actually didnt think that was allowed as it would be a way around the salary cap. and i didnt think AB's got paid per game, my understanding was once you we selected/played for the AB's you stepped up and were paid a higher salary, but i honestly dont know enough to argue so if everyone else is cool then all good
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
True, but the point I'm making is the circumstances are very different. A 4 year deal for BB makes less sense
Think you are missing the wider point. Is keeping our best players in New Zealand not a good thing for keeping Super Rugby strong? Even if he isn't still at his peak, he is still a great pro to have playing locally.
I'd trust Razor to make the tough calls, and to use Barrett how he sees fit in the environment. Rightly or wrongly, I think there is every chance Razor backs himself to get Beauden back playing to the best of his abilities as a 10.
No, not missing the wider point at all. As I've said, have zero problems or concerns with BB being signed up to provide continuity. I will have concerns if Robertson doesn't develop options at 10 & 15 and a 36yr-old BB is the incumbent
That's such a sweeping statement though. Absolutely possible that Razor gives him a second wind... it's not like he is 36 now, he is 32.
He'll be 36 if Robertson sticks with him until RWC2027. Not even Coach Jesus can wind clocks back
Could reinvent himself though. Sexton was 37 at the RWC... I'd imagine Barrett is very disciplined with his lifestyle. We all go on about his whole game being built around pace, but I still say, let's give him a chance playing as a 10 for Razor before passing real judgement.
more than happy to give him a chance...4 year contract just seems like more than "a chance"
@Kiwiwomble oh definitely get a higher salary as an AB. But still get paid per game, etc, I'm sure.
