All Blacks 2024
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@canefan of course, i think everything said is with the caveat of we may be proven wrong, can only base it on what weve seen to date
But I agree with you about the money. He'll be paid a lot if he ends up missing out on selection at some stage
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@canefan of course, i think everything said is with the caveat of we may be proven wrong, can only base it on what weve seen to date
But I agree with you about the money. He'll be paid a lot if he ends up missing out on selection at some stage
Who actually knows what he's getting paid under new contract? There seems to be a lot of assumptions going on here unless someone has seen contract etc. I would guess his contract is what NZR and the ones who control money figure it is what he is worth, in playing ability and marketing etc.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby what i mean he'll be getting paid the same as last year (or more) when he was a nailed on starter....so paying someone that way when they might not get selected seems poor business
Will he? I thought a large part of it was a blues benefactor? Plus I'm pretty sure you only get the big bucks if you get selected and played for the ABs, isn't it? A payout for selection, then per game played?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby what i mean he'll be getting paid the same as last year (or more) when he was a nailed on starter....so paying someone that way when they might not get selected seems poor business
Will he? I thought a large part of it was a blues benefactor? Plus I'm pretty sure you only get the big bucks if you get selected and played for the ABs, isn't it? A payout for selection, then per game played?
maybe im wrong, hadn't heard about a benefactor and actually didnt think that was allowed as it would be a way around the salary cap. and i didnt think AB's got paid per game, my understanding was once you we selected/played for the AB's you stepped up and were paid a higher salary, but i honestly dont know enough to argue so if everyone else is cool then all good
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
True, but the point I'm making is the circumstances are very different. A 4 year deal for BB makes less sense
Think you are missing the wider point. Is keeping our best players in New Zealand not a good thing for keeping Super Rugby strong? Even if he isn't still at his peak, he is still a great pro to have playing locally.
I'd trust Razor to make the tough calls, and to use Barrett how he sees fit in the environment. Rightly or wrongly, I think there is every chance Razor backs himself to get Beauden back playing to the best of his abilities as a 10.
No, not missing the wider point at all. As I've said, have zero problems or concerns with BB being signed up to provide continuity. I will have concerns if Robertson doesn't develop options at 10 & 15 and a 36yr-old BB is the incumbent
That's such a sweeping statement though. Absolutely possible that Razor gives him a second wind... it's not like he is 36 now, he is 32.
He'll be 36 if Robertson sticks with him until RWC2027. Not even Coach Jesus can wind clocks back
Could reinvent himself though. Sexton was 37 at the RWC... I'd imagine Barrett is very disciplined with his lifestyle. We all go on about his whole game being built around pace, but I still say, let's give him a chance playing as a 10 for Razor before passing real judgement.
more than happy to give him a chance...4 year contract just seems like more than "a chance"
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Gregor Paul opinion piece, so likely worthless, but sounds encouraging:
Crystal Ball time:
1 de Groot
2 Taukei'aho
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Lord
6 ?
7 Papalii
8 Savea
9 Roigard
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Jordan
15 Barrett@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Gregor Paul opinion piece, so likely worthless, but sounds encouraging:
Crystal Ball time:
1 de Groot
2 Taukei'aho
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Lord
6 ?
7 Papalii
8 Savea
9 Roigard
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Jordan
15 BarrettThat's not an awful XV (well XIV).
Options at 6 (in no particular order):
Finau
Blackadder
Grace
Ioane
Sotutu
Vaa'i
Ah Kuoi
(The last two speculation on my part.)
Others? Gallagher? -
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby what i mean he'll be getting paid the same as last year (or more) when he was a nailed on starter....so paying someone that way when they might not get selected seems poor business
Will he? I thought a large part of it was a blues benefactor? Plus I'm pretty sure you only get the big bucks if you get selected and played for the ABs, isn't it? A payout for selection, then per game played?
maybe im wrong, hadn't heard about a benefactor and actually didnt think that was allowed as it would be a way around the salary cap. and i didnt think AB's got paid per game, my understanding was once you we selected/played for the AB's you stepped up and were paid a higher salary, but i honestly dont know enough to argue so if everyone else is cool then all good
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
True, but the point I'm making is the circumstances are very different. A 4 year deal for BB makes less sense
Think you are missing the wider point. Is keeping our best players in New Zealand not a good thing for keeping Super Rugby strong? Even if he isn't still at his peak, he is still a great pro to have playing locally.
I'd trust Razor to make the tough calls, and to use Barrett how he sees fit in the environment. Rightly or wrongly, I think there is every chance Razor backs himself to get Beauden back playing to the best of his abilities as a 10.
No, not missing the wider point at all. As I've said, have zero problems or concerns with BB being signed up to provide continuity. I will have concerns if Robertson doesn't develop options at 10 & 15 and a 36yr-old BB is the incumbent
That's such a sweeping statement though. Absolutely possible that Razor gives him a second wind... it's not like he is 36 now, he is 32.
He'll be 36 if Robertson sticks with him until RWC2027. Not even Coach Jesus can wind clocks back
Could reinvent himself though. Sexton was 37 at the RWC... I'd imagine Barrett is very disciplined with his lifestyle. We all go on about his whole game being built around pace, but I still say, let's give him a chance playing as a 10 for Razor before passing real judgement.
more than happy to give him a chance...4 year contract just seems like more than "a chance"
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby what i mean he'll be getting paid the same as last year (or more) when he was a nailed on starter....so paying someone that way when they might not get selected seems poor business
Will he? I thought a large part of it was a blues benefactor? Plus I'm pretty sure you only get the big bucks if you get selected and played for the ABs, isn't it? A payout for selection, then per game played?
maybe im wrong, hadn't heard about a benefactor and actually didnt think that was allowed as it would be a way around the salary cap. and i didnt think AB's got paid per game, my understanding was once you we selected/played for the AB's you stepped up and were paid a higher salary, but i honestly dont know enough to argue so if everyone else is cool then all good
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
True, but the point I'm making is the circumstances are very different. A 4 year deal for BB makes less sense
Think you are missing the wider point. Is keeping our best players in New Zealand not a good thing for keeping Super Rugby strong? Even if he isn't still at his peak, he is still a great pro to have playing locally.
I'd trust Razor to make the tough calls, and to use Barrett how he sees fit in the environment. Rightly or wrongly, I think there is every chance Razor backs himself to get Beauden back playing to the best of his abilities as a 10.
No, not missing the wider point at all. As I've said, have zero problems or concerns with BB being signed up to provide continuity. I will have concerns if Robertson doesn't develop options at 10 & 15 and a 36yr-old BB is the incumbent
That's such a sweeping statement though. Absolutely possible that Razor gives him a second wind... it's not like he is 36 now, he is 32.
He'll be 36 if Robertson sticks with him until RWC2027. Not even Coach Jesus can wind clocks back
Could reinvent himself though. Sexton was 37 at the RWC... I'd imagine Barrett is very disciplined with his lifestyle. We all go on about his whole game being built around pace, but I still say, let's give him a chance playing as a 10 for Razor before passing real judgement.
more than happy to give him a chance...4 year contract just seems like more than "a chance"
The benefactor thing is allowed, just doesn't get used that often (I think the Blues are the only side to really use it)... happened with RTS. I believe a few of the other teams offered the max amount, and then the Blues blew them out the water with an extra 400k.
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I hope he kicks on, had a bad run with injuries
Not sure he is really been slept on though, didn't he play for All Blacks XV couple years ago? -
I hope he kicks on, had a bad run with injuries
Not sure he is really been slept on though, didn't he play for All Blacks XV couple years ago?@Darren said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
I hope he kicks on, had a bad run with injuries
Not sure he is really been slept on though, didn't he play for All Blacks XV couple years ago?I'd still say he is slept on. A lot of the chatter about the next All Blacks fullback is Jordan, Stevenson and Sullivan.
I think Love could easily be better than all three.
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From the 2023 injury list, Would expect Quinn Tupaea and Sevu Reece to be in the running for Robertsons squads in 2024. Emoji Narawa also. Hard to see Joe Moody making it back to AB level though.
@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Sevu Reece
Isn't he approaching the magic retiring age for All Black wingers?
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i had completely forgotten about reece....would like to see reece, Telea and Jordan back three at some point
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby what i mean he'll be getting paid the same as last year (or more) when he was a nailed on starter....so paying someone that way when they might not get selected seems poor business
Will he? I thought a large part of it was a blues benefactor? Plus I'm pretty sure you only get the big bucks if you get selected and played for the ABs, isn't it? A payout for selection, then per game played?
maybe im wrong, hadn't heard about a benefactor and actually didnt think that was allowed as it would be a way around the salary cap. and i didnt think AB's got paid per game, my understanding was once you we selected/played for the AB's you stepped up and were paid a higher salary, but i honestly dont know enough to argue so if everyone else is cool then all good
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
True, but the point I'm making is the circumstances are very different. A 4 year deal for BB makes less sense
Think you are missing the wider point. Is keeping our best players in New Zealand not a good thing for keeping Super Rugby strong? Even if he isn't still at his peak, he is still a great pro to have playing locally.
I'd trust Razor to make the tough calls, and to use Barrett how he sees fit in the environment. Rightly or wrongly, I think there is every chance Razor backs himself to get Beauden back playing to the best of his abilities as a 10.
No, not missing the wider point at all. As I've said, have zero problems or concerns with BB being signed up to provide continuity. I will have concerns if Robertson doesn't develop options at 10 & 15 and a 36yr-old BB is the incumbent
That's such a sweeping statement though. Absolutely possible that Razor gives him a second wind... it's not like he is 36 now, he is 32.
He'll be 36 if Robertson sticks with him until RWC2027. Not even Coach Jesus can wind clocks back
Could reinvent himself though. Sexton was 37 at the RWC... I'd imagine Barrett is very disciplined with his lifestyle. We all go on about his whole game being built around pace, but I still say, let's give him a chance playing as a 10 for Razor before passing real judgement.
more than happy to give him a chance...4 year contract just seems like more than "a chance"
@Kiwiwomble oh definitely get a higher salary as an AB. But still get paid per game, etc, I'm sure.
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Posting this here because the All Blacks 2024 thread is locked.
In the podcast (link below) Ruben Love talks about his recent trip over to Australia where he invested $$$ to train with their top sprint coach (guru) Rob Fabri, aswell as staying with one of the most talked about league players of 2023, Joseph Suaalii.
Plenty of people I've talked to about Love say he bounces different in terms of the way he carries himself, the way he trains and the commitment he has to get to the top. This move alone is an example of what he'll do to get to the top. After an injury ravaged 2023, I hope he has a big 2024 and pushes for AB selection. More at 15 than 10 though in my view.
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Posting this here because the All Blacks 2024 thread is locked.
In the podcast (link below) Ruben Love talks about his recent trip over to Australia where he invested $$$ to train with their top sprint coach (guru) Rob Fabri, aswell as staying with one of the most talked about league players of 2023, Joseph Suaalii.
Plenty of people I've talked to about Love say he bounces different in terms of the way he carries himself, the way he trains and the commitment he has to get to the top. This move alone is an example of what he'll do to get to the top. After an injury ravaged 2023, I hope he has a big 2024 and pushes for AB selection. More at 15 than 10 though in my view.
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@Canes4life reminds me of what Tana was like...fuck almost 3 decades ago now
@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Canes4life reminds me of what Tana was like...fuck almost 3 decades ago now
He transformed in the off season. Went from a talented flake to the top tier player in a few months.
Still one of my favourite players and least favourite coaches.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Gregor Paul opinion piece, so likely worthless, but sounds encouraging:
Crystal Ball time:
1 de Groot
2 Taukei'aho
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Lord
6 ?
7 Papalii
8 Savea
9 Roigard
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Jordan
15 BarrettThat's not an awful XV (well XIV).
Options at 6 (in no particular order):
Finau
Blackadder
Grace
Ioane
Sotutu
Vaa'i
Ah Kuoi
(The last two speculation on my part.)
Others? Gallagher?@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Gregor Paul opinion piece, so likely worthless, but sounds encouraging:
Crystal Ball time:
1 de Groot
2 Taukei'aho
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Lord
6 ?
7 Papalii
8 Savea
9 Roigard
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Jordan
15 BarrettThat's not an awful XV (well XIV).
Options at 6 (in no particular order):
Finau
Blackadder
Grace
Ioane
Sotutu
Vaa'i
Ah Kuoi
(The last two speculation on my part.)
Others? Gallagher?Gallagher ? I guess you meant Gardiner.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Gregor Paul opinion piece, so likely worthless, but sounds encouraging:
Crystal Ball time:
1 de Groot
2 Taukei'aho
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Lord
6 ?
7 Papalii
8 Savea
9 Roigard
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Jordan
15 BarrettThat's not an awful XV (well XIV).
Options at 6 (in no particular order):
Finau
Blackadder
Grace
Ioane
Sotutu
Vaa'i
Ah Kuoi
(The last two speculation on my part.)
Others? Gallagher?Gallagher ? I guess you meant Gardiner.
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Important year for Gardiner. I was disappointed with his form last year after looking the goods towards the end of the previous year. Injury and being moved between 6 and lock may have stifled him a bit. Let's hope he gets a good run at 6 and stays injury free (the same can be said about Blackadder and Grace).
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Gregor Paul opinion piece, so likely worthless, but sounds encouraging:
Crystal Ball time:
1 de Groot
2 Taukei'aho
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Lord
6 ?
7 Papalii
8 Savea
9 Roigard
10 McKenzie
11 Telea
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Jordan
15 BarrettThat's not an awful XV (well XIV).
Options at 6 (in no particular order):
Finau
Blackadder
Grace
Ioane
Sotutu
Vaa'i
Ah Kuoi
(The last two speculation on my part.)
Others? Gallagher?@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Options at 6 (in no particular order):
Finau
Blackadder
Grace
Ioane
Sotutu
Vaa'i
Ah Kuoi
(The last two speculation on my part.)
Others? Gallagher?Caleb Delany is another 6/lock in the picture. He'll be keen to have a big campaign with the Canes in 2024 to push for a place in the ABs. Superb in the line-out and is now sitting around 115kg.
