All Blacks 2024
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@Tim What on Earth are NZR going to do when Wayne really does pack it in? He has been incredible in this type of role across NZ rugby.
Who is the next big brain in NZ? I wonder if Razor will ultimately take on this role once his head coaching days are behind him. WS will be mentoring him, so it isn't inconceivable.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
What on Earth are NZR going to do when Wayne really does pack it in?
They should start looking for his replacement now.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
What on Earth are NZR going to do when Wayne really does pack it in?
They should start looking for his replacement now.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
What on Earth are NZR going to do when Wayne really does pack it in?
They should start looking for his replacement now.
Game changing stuff
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The ABs team I’d like to see in 2024 is
- Pouri Rakete-Stones
- Tyrone Thompson
- Joel Hintz
- Geoff Cridge
- IWL
- MMT
- Josh Kaifa
- Devan Flanders
- Folau Fakatava
- Lincoln McClutchie (captain / coach)
- Jonah Lowe
- Chase Tiatia
- Nick Grigg
- Ollie Sapsford
- Harry Goddfrey
@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
The ABs team I’d like to see in 2024 is
- Pouri Rakete-Stones
- Tyrone Thompson
- Joel Hintz
- Geoff Cridge
- IWL
- MMT
- Josh Kaifa
- Devan Flanders
- Folau Fakatava
- Lincoln McClutchie (captain / coach)
- Jonah Lowe
- Chase Tiatia
- Nick Grigg
- Ollie Sapsford
- Harry Goddfrey
I wanted to give it a like but Tiatia? Come on bro.
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@Tim What on Earth are NZR going to do when Wayne really does pack it in? He has been incredible in this type of role across NZ rugby.
Who is the next big brain in NZ? I wonder if Razor will ultimately take on this role once his head coaching days are behind him. WS will be mentoring him, so it isn't inconceivable.
@stodders It's virtually impossible to train or mentor someone to be the next Wayne Smith. The best the NZR can do is get Smith to articulate and codify his unconventional approach to problem-solving in rugby (i.e. write a manual or loose framework). This is a difficult thing to do if you didn't think about it at the time (e.g. Now having to articulate how he came up with for example that defensive system that saved the ABs rwc cup campaign all those years ago, etc.). You know, memories fade. The other thing that NZR can do is is give the person or persons they tap to succeed Smith the same freedom (ito of time and space to in innovate) without feeling that one failure means the end.
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@Canes4life I bloody impressed with Loves work and doing extras mate. That is the kind of commitment I want to see , and now I really on the Love wagon and hope he reaps the rewards. I always say the very good ones are the ones who do all these extras.
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Danny, you are mixing metaphors. You are either on the love train or the shaggin wagon
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Danny, you are mixing metaphors. You are either on the love train or the shaggin wagon
::grinning_squinting_face: C.mon Grubs a man's got to mix something
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@stodders It's virtually impossible to train or mentor someone to be the next Wayne Smith. The best the NZR can do is get Smith to articulate and codify his unconventional approach to problem-solving in rugby (i.e. write a manual or loose framework). This is a difficult thing to do if you didn't think about it at the time (e.g. Now having to articulate how he came up with for example that defensive system that saved the ABs rwc cup campaign all those years ago, etc.). You know, memories fade. The other thing that NZR can do is is give the person or persons they tap to succeed Smith the same freedom (ito of time and space to in innovate) without feeling that one failure means the end.
@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@stodders It's virtually impossible to train or mentor someone to be the next Wayne Smith.
I would go so far as to say it is outright impossible. Trying is futile. You can't teach innovation. And real innovators find their own mentors, because they are doing precisely not what was done before.
The most you can do it find the next one and, as you say, accept some failures on the way. That is a big call, and one most large organisations are terrible at.
We know the current "leaders" at NZ Rugby have opted for "safe" every time they have had any real choice.
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@stodders It's virtually impossible to train or mentor someone to be the next Wayne Smith. The best the NZR can do is get Smith to articulate and codify his unconventional approach to problem-solving in rugby (i.e. write a manual or loose framework). This is a difficult thing to do if you didn't think about it at the time (e.g. Now having to articulate how he came up with for example that defensive system that saved the ABs rwc cup campaign all those years ago, etc.). You know, memories fade. The other thing that NZR can do is is give the person or persons they tap to succeed Smith the same freedom (ito of time and space to in innovate) without feeling that one failure means the end.
@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
It's virtually impossible to train or mentor someone to be the next Wayne Smith.
Perhaps they should look to focus more on the outcome rather than the personnel? No reason why it has to be one person
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@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@stodders It's virtually impossible to train or mentor someone to be the next Wayne Smith.
I would go so far as to say it is outright impossible. Trying is futile. You can't teach innovation. And real innovators find their own mentors, because they are doing precisely not what was done before.
The most you can do it find the next one and, as you say, accept some failures on the way. That is a big call, and one most large organisations are terrible at.
We know the current "leaders" at NZ Rugby have opted for "safe" every time they have had any real choice.
@Chester-Draws Yeah, trying to find the next Wayne Smith is like trying to capture lightning in a bottle.
One thing that I've noticed about guys like Wayne Smith and Joe Schmidt is that after they have had a head coach gig they prefer roles that deliver high impact in a short amount of time. They're quite different to the guys who are stuck in the "I'm a head coach and I can't be anything other than a head coach" mode.
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It's hard to innovate when you are the head honcho. There's too many other demands on your time and energy.
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It's hard to innovate when you are the head honcho. There's too many other demands on your time and energy.
@Chester-Draws Exactly. I suspect that's part of the reason the guys who just go from head coach job to head coach job (without taking a short term consultant type job in between) seem to run out of fresh ideas after a while. You need time away from big picture stuff to just focus on specific aspects (to refresh the mind).
I also like the type of role Smith is starting where he can rotate in and out of different team environments. It seems made for him.
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@Chester-Draws Exactly. I suspect that's part of the reason the guys who just go from head coach job to head coach job (without taking a short term consultant type job in between) seem to run out of fresh ideas after a while. You need time away from big picture stuff to just focus on specific aspects (to refresh the mind).
I also like the type of role Smith is starting where he can rotate in and out of different team environments. It seems made for him.
@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Chester-Draws Exactly. I suspect that's part of the reason the guys who just go from head coach job to head coach job (without taking a short term consultant type job in between) seem to run out of fresh ideas after a while. You need time away from big picture stuff to just focus on specific aspects (to refresh the mind).
I also like the type of role Smith is starting where he can rotate in and out of different team environments. It seems made for him.
Some guys just seem to be deep thinkers too. Smithy has been all over the world coaching, but also seems to be very curious and thoughtful when he interviews. Grant Fox is another guy who seems to be very thoughtful. Graham Henry had success as a coach and as a mentor for the Blues
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@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
It's virtually impossible to train or mentor someone to be the next Wayne Smith.
Perhaps they should look to focus more on the outcome rather than the personnel? No reason why it has to be one person
@Victor-Meldrew The idea of multiple individuals or a group would be ideal.
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Bit confused over the Joe Schmidt situation, was hearing a few months ago that he would be a selector and have role with the Blues, lately it seems he is a near certainty for the Aussie job. Will be a hell of a loss if he goes.
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Bit confused over the Joe Schmidt situation, was hearing a few months ago that he would be a selector and have role with the Blues, lately it seems he is a near certainty for the Aussie job. Will be a hell of a loss if he goes.
That's a real shame - I would love for the NZRU to have the same focus on retaining our top coaching talent as well as our playing talent.
It's an odd double standard where are players are actively discouraged from going overseas while all our best coach's are encouraged to flee the country...
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Bit confused over the Joe Schmidt situation, was hearing a few months ago that he would be a selector and have role with the Blues, lately it seems he is a near certainty for the Aussie job. Will be a hell of a loss if he goes.
That's a real shame - I would love for the NZRU to have the same focus on retaining our top coaching talent as well as our playing talent.
It's an odd double standard where are players are actively discouraged from going overseas while all our best coach's are encouraged to flee the country...
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
while all our best coach's are encouraged to flee the country...
They are?
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Bit confused over the Joe Schmidt situation, was hearing a few months ago that he would be a selector and have role with the Blues, lately it seems he is a near certainty for the Aussie job. Will be a hell of a loss if he goes.
That's a real shame - I would love for the NZRU to have the same focus on retaining our top coaching talent as well as our playing talent.
It's an odd double standard where are players are actively discouraged from going overseas while all our best coach's are encouraged to flee the country...
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Bit confused over the Joe Schmidt situation, was hearing a few months ago that he would be a selector and have role with the Blues, lately it seems he is a near certainty for the Aussie job. Will be a hell of a loss if he goes.
That's a real shame - I would love for the NZRU to have the same focus on retaining our top coaching talent as well as our playing talent.
It's an odd double standard where are players are actively discouraged from going overseas while all our best coach's are encouraged to flee the country...
I think the issue is the lack of Super Rugby coaching spots. Inevitably lots of our coaching talent have to leave if they want a bigger gig
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Bit confused over the Joe Schmidt situation, was hearing a few months ago that he would be a selector and have role with the Blues, lately it seems he is a near certainty for the Aussie job. Will be a hell of a loss if he goes.
That's a real shame - I would love for the NZRU to have the same focus on retaining our top coaching talent as well as our playing talent.
It's an odd double standard where are players are actively discouraged from going overseas while all our best coach's are encouraged to flee the country...
@Windows97 Yep mate but as @canefan says, what are they going to do with the coaches, there's 5 super teams? I actually think it's good for them to coach overseas to increase their experience etc of coaching different styles of rugby . Also by them getting experience overseas etc it actually brings through more coaches.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
while all our best coach's are encouraged to flee the country...
They are?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
while all our best coach's are encouraged to flee the country...
They are?
im assuming they mean all the talk about "international experience", razor being an obvious exception
