All Blacks 2024
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't have a view either way on Sotutu vs Sititi but thats mainly because my SR watching this year was the 5 minutes highlights in youtube. Sure, Sotutu scored a lot of tries, but I don't really remember seeing him make a lot of them
The top try scorer was also second on try assists. On the other side of the ball he got plenty of turnovers too, looking at NZ loosies he was only behind Harmon (equal with Jacobson). Ruck arrivals he is only behind Papali'i and Jacobson in NZ. Decent lineout forward too.. second most used NZ target
He had a hell of a season
I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.
As for the rest of the squad it's fairly predictable apart from Tosi. You knew which way Robertson would go on certain players regardless of SR performances
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't have a view either way on Sotutu vs Sititi but thats mainly because my SR watching this year was the 5 minutes highlights in youtube. Sure, Sotutu scored a lot of tries, but I don't really remember seeing him make a lot of them
The top try scorer was also second on try assists. On the other side of the ball he got plenty of turnovers too, looking at NZ loosies he was only behind Harmon (equal with Jacobson). Ruck arrivals he is only behind Papali'i and Jacobson in NZ. Decent lineout forward too.. second most used NZ target
He had a hell of a season
I'm assuming its personal at some level. MacDonald struggled with him early on.
As for the rest of the squad it's fairly predictable apart from Tosi. You knew which way Robertson would go on certain players regardless of SR performances
Looks fairly obvious that it's personal then.
Part of a successful career is managing upwards. If they don't want to select him, then it's up to him to change that.
If his IG post is a direct dig at them (thats an if, btw) then the attitude suggests at this point mgmt are correct in their decision making.
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Just going off the GF game, Hoskins work around the beakdown & the tight stuff was not great for an AB's loosie. Wallace on the hand even though he was on losing end, the kid was hitting the breakdowns and making solid contact with and without the ball.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I think the person most under pressure is Jase Ryan.
Cotter has shown that there are others in NZ who can implement a forward-oriented game plan effectively.
And to not put a fine point on it - Cotter is able to do it with brown aucklanders.
If he continues, Cotter is building his resume
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I think the person most under pressure is Jase Ryan.
Cotter has shown that there are others in NZ who can implement a forward-oriented game plan effectively.
And to not put a fine point on it - Cotter is able to do it with brown aucklanders.
If he continues, Cotter is building his resume
This team naming is a rejection of what is happening at the Blues. That seems clear and raises some interesting questions, because that carry clean game of the Blues would likely give the Saders with Mo’unga a touch up.
They don’t seem to rate it though.
I’m fascinated to see the game plan they’ll employ..
I do like the big ball carrying props (except Newell) and we have impact at hooker. If Pat T is fit and brings his carrying to this level they will hopefully make up for the lack of size and heavy carrying in the loosies.
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It will take 1 test.
If this team loses the first test to England the drums will beat.
You pick 3 opensides and some weirdo outsides and we lose?
War drumsThere is no "warming in to the season"
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It will take 1 test.
If this team loses the first test to England the drums will beat.
You pick 3 opensides and some weirdo outsides and we lose?
War drumsThere is no "warming in to the season"
@mariner4life If he loses at Eden Park then it's all on.
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I'll be interested to see how the ABs defend. Looking forward to seeing a non Scott McLeod AB defence.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'll be interested to see how the ABs defend.
Don't wonder - when Japan topped their pool in 2019 Scott Hansen was the defense coach, now he's All Blacks defense coach.
We are going to absolutely dominate this World Cup cycle under this new coaching group.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I think the person most under pressure is Jase Ryan.
Cotter has shown that there are others in NZ who can implement a forward-oriented game plan effectively.
And to not put a fine point on it - Cotter is able to do it with brown aucklanders.
If he continues, Cotter is building his resume
This team naming is a rejection of what is happening at the Blues. That seems clear and raises some interesting questions, because that carry clean game of the Blues would likely give the Saders with Mo’unga a touch up.
They don’t seem to rate it though.
I’m fascinated to see the game plan they’ll employ..
I do like the big ball carrying props (except Newell) and we have impact at hooker. If Pat T is fit and brings his carrying to this level they will hopefully make up for the lack of size and heavy carrying in the loosies.
@gt12 Bringing on Aumua with 30 minutes to go will be interesting
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'll be interested to see how the ABs defend.
Don't wonder - when Japan topped their pool in 2019 Scott Hansen was the defense coach, now he's All Blacks defense coach.
We are going to absolutely dominate this World Cup cycle under this new coaching group.
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'll be interested to see how the ABs defend.
Don't wonder - when Japan topped their pool in 2019 Scott Hansen was the defense coach, now he's All Blacks defense coach.
We are going to absolutely dominate this World Cup cycle under this new coaching group.
Kind of agree with what you have been saying. Can't wait for the first test. Beware of Blue sharks circling the surfboard. They are numerous in these waters.
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Players like Akira and Hoskins obviously have the talent, and good coaches will get the best out of them. Cotter got them playing to their potential consistently this year, it's obvious the current AB coaches don't believe they can do the same hence them picking their favourites instead of the form players.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Players like Akira and Hoskins obviously have the talent, and good coaches will get the best out of them. Cotter got them playing to their potential consistently this year, it's obvious the current AB coaches don't believe they can do the same hence them picking their favourites instead of the form players.
Blackadder over Akira might fit your argument but Sititi over Sotutu doesn’t as I’m not sure who’s favourite Sititi is.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'll be interested to see how the ABs defend.
Don't wonder - when Japan topped their pool in 2019 Scott Hansen was the defense coach, now he's All Blacks defense coach.
We are going to absolutely dominate this World Cup cycle under this new coaching group.
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
We are going to absolutely dominate this World Cup cycle under this new coaching group.
I'm hopeful but more cautious given the lack of test experience in the coaching group and a tough slate of tests ahead this season.
Hopefully the fanboying is justified.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I think the person most under pressure is Jase Ryan.
Cotter has shown that there are others in NZ who can implement a forward-oriented game plan effectively.
And to not put a fine point on it - Cotter is able to do it with brown aucklanders.
If he continues, Cotter is building his resume
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I think the person most under pressure is Jase Ryan.
Cotter has shown that there are others in NZ who can implement a forward-oriented game plan effectively.
And to not put a fine point on it - Cotter is able to do it with brown aucklanders.
If he continues, Cotter is building his resume
The jury is still out on Ryan for me. Some improvement but still hit and miss. Let's see how he goes with some bandwidth and time to get things right.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I think the person most under pressure is Jase Ryan.
Cotter has shown that there are others in NZ who can implement a forward-oriented game plan effectively.
And to not put a fine point on it - Cotter is able to do it with brown aucklanders.
If he continues, Cotter is building his resume
The jury is still out on Ryan for me. Some improvement but still hit and miss. Let's see how he goes with some bandwidth and time to get things right.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I think the person most under pressure is Jase Ryan.
Cotter has shown that there are others in NZ who can implement a forward-oriented game plan effectively.
And to not put a fine point on it - Cotter is able to do it with brown aucklanders.
If he continues, Cotter is building his resume
The jury is still out on Ryan for me. Some improvement but still hit and miss. Let's see how he goes with some bandwidth and time to get things right.
He's back with his old mate. No excuses now. Meanwhile, I hope Cotter, Laidlaw and McMillan continue to improve; our coaching stocks weren't looking so flash, now we appear to have 3 good ones
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@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
We are going to absolutely dominate this World Cup cycle under this new coaching group.
I'm hopeful but more cautious given the lack of test experience in the coaching group and a tough slate of tests ahead this season.
Hopefully the fanboying is justified.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Hopefully the fanboying is justified.
People need to be realistic. Some of the predictions and hyperbole around Robertson - before he's even had one Test - are getting a bit ridiculous.
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@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
We are going to absolutely dominate this World Cup cycle under this new coaching group.
I'm hopeful but more cautious given the lack of test experience in the coaching group and a tough slate of tests ahead this season.
Hopefully the fanboying is justified.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
We are going to absolutely dominate this World Cup cycle under this new coaching group.
I'm hopeful but more cautious given the lack of test experience in the coaching group
Hansen coached Canada's attack for a year (2014) and Japan's defense for 3 years (2019-22)
Razor coached Brazil as part of Canterbury rugby's partnership back in 2013.
Ryan spent two years coaching Fiji's forwards, joined All Blacks 2022.
McDonald coached the All Black's XV for 2 years.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I think the person most under pressure is Jase Ryan.
Cotter has shown that there are others in NZ who can implement a forward-oriented game plan effectively.
And to not put a fine point on it - Cotter is able to do it with brown aucklanders.
If he continues, Cotter is building his resume
The jury is still out on Ryan for me. Some improvement but still hit and miss. Let's see how he goes with some bandwidth and time to get things right.
He's back with his old mate. No excuses now. Meanwhile, I hope Cotter, Laidlaw and McMillan continue to improve; our coaching stocks weren't looking so flash, now we appear to have 3 good ones
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
He's back with his old mate. No excuses now
Yeah my thoughts exactly, he can properly stamp his mark now, not hamstrung by other coaches or any reservations they may have. He can reap what he sows, hopefully it's bountiful.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
He's back with his old mate. No excuses now
Yeah my thoughts exactly, he can properly stamp his mark now, not hamstrung by other coaches or any reservations they may have. He can reap what he sows, hopefully it's bountiful.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
He's back with his old mate. No excuses now
Yeah my thoughts exactly, he can properly stamp his mark now, not hamstrung by other coaches or any reservations they may have. He can reap what he sows, hopefully it's bountiful.
I wish them every success
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
We are going to absolutely dominate this World Cup cycle under this new coaching group.
I'm hopeful but more cautious given the lack of test experience in the coaching group
Hansen coached Canada's attack for a year (2014) and Japan's defense for 3 years (2019-22)
Razor coached Brazil as part of Canterbury rugby's partnership back in 2013.
Ryan spent two years coaching Fiji's forwards, joined All Blacks 2022.
McDonald coached the All Black's XV for 2 years.
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
We are going to absolutely dominate this World Cup cycle under this new coaching group.
I'm hopeful but more cautious given the lack of test experience in the coaching group
Hansen coached Canada's attack for a year (2014) and Japan's defense for 3 years (2019-22)
Razor coached Brazil as part of Canterbury rugby's partnership back in 2013.
Ryan spent two years coaching Fiji's forwards, joined All Blacks 2022.
McDonald coached the All Black's XV for 2 years.
So no excuses whatsoever for failing to win more that 70% of games this year - i.e 4 tests. Is that what you are saying?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
He's back with his old mate. No excuses now
Yeah my thoughts exactly, he can properly stamp his mark now, not hamstrung by other coaches or any reservations they may have. He can reap what he sows, hopefully it's bountiful.
I wish them every success
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
He's back with his old mate. No excuses now
Yeah my thoughts exactly, he can properly stamp his mark now, not hamstrung by other coaches or any reservations they may have. He can reap what he sows, hopefully it's bountiful.
I wish them every success
There's bound to be ups and downs and it'll take time for things to bed in - despite all the international experience in the coaching staff
