All Blacks 2024
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Also at 6, we are putting a huge amount of faith in Finau given he's almost completely unproven at test level. I hope he goes well and builds confidence early.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Also at 6, we are putting a huge amount of faith in Finau given he's almost completely unproven at test level. I hope he goes well and builds confidence early.
I don’t think he’ll start. That would be the easiest way to understand the selections.
I think they’ll roll out EB, Paps, Ardie.
Finau might be a bench lock/loosie alongside another…
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Just some thoughts.
Quite happy with the squad. A third are Samoans, so can't complain about racism. I believe the picks are more about style of play.
Akira packing his bags reminds me of Luatua. Probably got the word.Am disappointed about Savea not being captain, especially after the RWC final last year, but not surprised at a crusader being captain.
A lot of talk about Sititi v Sotutu, but that's just a distraction. With some of the talk about specialists, how the hell is Jacobson the 2nd best 7 in NZ?
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I am most disappointed about Plummer missing out. Surely with DMac and BB in the squad and likely in the starting 15 Perofeta's ability to play 15 and 10 is not as vital. With the dearth of quality 10s in NZ it seems important to start developing now. Plummer to me has more upside as a 10 than Perofeta.
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I am most disappointed about Plummer missing out. Surely with DMac and BB in the squad and likely in the starting 15 Perofeta's ability to play 15 and 10 is not as vital. With the dearth of quality 10s in NZ it seems important to start developing now. Plummer to me has more upside as a 10 than Perofeta.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
I am mostbdisappointed about Plummer missing out. Surely with DMac and BB in the squad and likely in the starting 15 Perofeta's ability to play 15 and 10 is not as vital. With the dearth of quality 10s in NZ it seams important to start developing now. Plummer to me has more upside as a 10 than Perofeta.
I didn’t watch all of super rugby this year but got more involved at the business end .
He was a big surprise to me, showed a lot of qualities you look for in a test first five .
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Just some thoughts.
Quite happy with the squad. A third are Samoans, so can't complain about racism. I believe the picks are more about style of play.
Akira packing his bags reminds me of Luatua. Probably got the word.Am disappointed about Savea not being captain, especially after the RWC final last year, but not surprised at a crusader being captain.
A lot of talk about Sititi v Sotutu, but that's just a distraction. With some of the talk about specialists, how the hell is Jacobson the 2nd best 7 in NZ?
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@mimic said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
A third are Samoans, so can't complain about racism.
What?
So if there were less, you would be?@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@mimic said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
A third are Samoans, so can't complain about racism.
What?
So if there were less, you would be?I think this is a dig at a ferner who suggested racism when some Crusaders players made it over some Blues players.
( also ignoring the fact that the brother of one of said Blues players made the squad )
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Hoskins may still get his chance this year. One injury and he's back in the frame (if what Razor said about the tough decision is to be believed). It will then be up to him to prove the selectors wrong
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Hoskins may still get his chance this year. One injury and he's back in the frame (if what Razor said about the tough decision is to be believed). It will then be up to him to prove the selectors wrong
Nah Blackadder is as tough as can be I've been told. And that venom! Like name like game.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Hoskins may still get his chance this year. One injury and he's back in the frame (if what Razor said about the tough decision is to be believed). It will then be up to him to prove the selectors wrong
Nah Blackadder is as tough as can be I've been told. And that venom! Like name like game.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Hoskins may still get his chance this year. One injury and he's back in the frame (if what Razor said about the tough decision is to be believed). It will then be up to him to prove the selectors wrong
Nah Blackadder is as tough as can be I've been told. And that venom! Like name like game.
I thought the ridiculous Blackadder bullshit ended last year ? My mistake
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@mimic said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
A third are Samoans, so can't complain about racism.
What?
So if there were less, you would be?I think this is a dig at a ferner who suggested racism when some Crusaders players made it over some Blues players.
( also ignoring the fact that the brother of one of said Blues players made the squad )
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
I think this is a dig at a ferner who suggested racism when some Crusaders players made it over some Blues players.
One of the weirdest debates on the Fern I can remember.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
I think this is a dig at a ferner who suggested racism when some Crusaders players made it over some Blues players.
One of the weirdest debates on the Fern I can remember.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
I think this is a dig at a ferner who suggested racism when some Crusaders players made it over some Blues players.
One of the weirdest debates on the Fern I can remember.
One person saying something brain dead and everyone else rubbishing it isn’t much of a debate, and it was only posted once.
An unfortunate distraction from the Super Rugby player of the year not being selected, yet journeymen players who barely have played and a novice, who again hasn’t played all that much (and was dominated in the last game against each other) were.
Has made Foster look like a selection genius and eroded Razors mythical man management reputation.
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Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.
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Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.
you are talking about EB?
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This thread is beautiful. Giving nostalgic Suitcase selection threads vibes in the best way.
For what it’s worth, Sotutu would’ve been in my RWC squad and I’d have tried an Ardie, Hoskins, Frizzel backrow. He’d be a nightmare to deal with defensively and the knock on his workrate without the ball seems to be contrived bullshit - nothing that different tactics and some coaching tweaks couldn’t fix anyway.
But you can understand why two successive coaching regimes ain’t keen to move the deserved World Player of the Year to shoehorn in some guy who hasn’t set the world alight in his admittedly limited chances at test level.
And as good as Sotutu has been, there isn’t much to choose between him and the younger and slightly more versatile Sititi for the backup 8 spot if you’re trying to build a squad.
Just doesn’t seem such an outrageous omission. On the other hand, if I were a Blues fan I’d also be fuming. Because fuck that one eyed, breakdancing cantab fluffybunny that’s why.
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This thread is beautiful. Giving nostalgic Suitcase selection threads vibes in the best way.
For what it’s worth, Sotutu would’ve been in my RWC squad and I’d have tried an Ardie, Hoskins, Frizzel backrow. He’d be a nightmare to deal with defensively and the knock on his workrate without the ball seems to be contrived bullshit - nothing that different tactics and some coaching tweaks couldn’t fix anyway.
But you can understand why two successive coaching regimes ain’t keen to move the deserved World Player of the Year to shoehorn in some guy who hasn’t set the world alight in his admittedly limited chances at test level.
And as good as Sotutu has been, there isn’t much to choose between him and the younger and slightly more versatile Sititi for the backup 8 spot if you’re trying to build a squad.
Just doesn’t seem such an outrageous omission. On the other hand, if I were a Blues fan I’d also be fuming. Because fuck that one eyed, breakdancing cantab fluffybunny that’s why.
Sititi has had 7 starts in super rugby. Sotutu has had a whole lot more rugby than him.
Sititi could quite easily find the step up to test rugby too much and be back playing NPC in a couple of months getting some more experience with a few ‘work ons’
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This thread is beautiful. Giving nostalgic Suitcase selection threads vibes in the best way.
For what it’s worth, Sotutu would’ve been in my RWC squad and I’d have tried an Ardie, Hoskins, Frizzel backrow. He’d be a nightmare to deal with defensively and the knock on his workrate without the ball seems to be contrived bullshit - nothing that different tactics and some coaching tweaks couldn’t fix anyway.
But you can understand why two successive coaching regimes ain’t keen to move the deserved World Player of the Year to shoehorn in some guy who hasn’t set the world alight in his admittedly limited chances at test level.
And as good as Sotutu has been, there isn’t much to choose between him and the younger and slightly more versatile Sititi for the backup 8 spot if you’re trying to build a squad.
Just doesn’t seem such an outrageous omission. On the other hand, if I were a Blues fan I’d also be fuming. Because fuck that one eyed, breakdancing cantab fluffybunny that’s why.
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Sititi has had 7 starts in super rugby. Sotutu has had a whole lot more rugby than him.
Sititi could quite easily find the step up to test rugby too much and be back playing NPC in a couple of months getting some more experience with a few ‘work ons’
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Sititi has had 7 starts in super rugby. Sotutu has had a whole lot more rugby than him.
Sititi could quite easily find the step up to test rugby too much and be back playing NPC in a couple of months getting some more experience with a few ‘work ons’
So like Sotutu every time he's been selected then?
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Sititi has had 7 starts in super rugby. Sotutu has had a whole lot more rugby than him.
Sititi could quite easily find the step up to test rugby too much and be back playing NPC in a couple of months getting some more experience with a few ‘work ons’
So like Sotutu every time he's been selected then?
Yeah, especially if he gets the same treatment soutuu got when he got a start after 2 months of gym work…
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@Smuts said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Frizzel
Being unavailable for selection, this might be a good tactic to make EB look decent, prolly wouldn't hurt his reputation at test level too much either.
@Bones could go either way really. Whoever gets that 6 jumper is going to be compared to Frizzle’s highlights not the long stretches he spent impersonating Thorne.
And EB’s got a way to go to convince me he can even be a reasonable suitcase. But since Sotutu doesn’t seem to be considered as a viable 6 that’s irrelevant to the present discussion
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Sititi has had 7 starts in super rugby. Sotutu has had a whole lot more rugby than him.
Sititi could quite easily find the step up to test rugby too much and be back playing NPC in a couple of months getting some more experience with a few ‘work ons’
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Sititi has had 7 starts in super rugby. Sotutu has had a whole lot more rugby than him.
Sititi could quite easily find the step up to test rugby too much and be back playing NPC in a couple of months getting some more experience with a few ‘work ons’
Absolutely - though on the limited evidence, you can understand the coaches’ gamble. They have a bloody good eight whose going to be around for a good while. Makes sense to work with a player who looks to be a viable long term replacement and in the interim might solve their blindside problem or at least offers bench versatility.
