All Blacks 2024
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Seeing a lot of chat about Holland and McDonald in here which is justified. For what it’s worth I’ll add my 2 cents.
I know guys that have played with and under Leon McDonald and there are extremely mixed reviews. Without taking a jab at the guys character and morals, it seems a bit of odd when you’re out for breakfast and you come across one of your squad members who is there with his family, you would stop and introduce yourself and chat wouldn’t you? Apparently not if you’re Leon… you look at them and ignore them like you don’t know them.(Should probably not have said that but meh).
Mixed reviews on the coaching side too but that’s a personal preference I feel so take it with a grain of salt, players don’t always have to like their coaches to get team results.
Personally, I think every single coach has a lot to answer for, from head coach down to ‘line out throwing coach’. I would expect a response next weekend in Auckland in a big way, if not… well then the pitchforks will well and truly be out and rightfully so.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
Seeing a lot of chat about Holland and McDonald in here which is justified. For what it’s worth I’ll add my 2 cents.
I know guys that have played with and under Leon McDonald and there are extremely mixed reviews. Without taking a jab at the guys character and morals, it seems a bit of odd when you’re out for breakfast and you come across one of your squad members who is there with his family, you would stop and introduce yourself and chat wouldn’t you? Apparently not if you’re Leon… you look at them and ignore them like you don’t know them.(Should probably not have said that but meh).
Mixed reviews on the coaching side too but that’s a personal preference I feel so take it with a grain of salt, players don’t always have to like their coaches to get team results.
Seems relevant now.
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Note to self: Acknowledge co-workers.
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Note to self: Acknowledge co-workers.
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If Beauden Barrett tears his hamstring next week, who would the fern like to see at fullback in the interim?
And who do they think Razor will choose?
Seems to be a lot of dissenting voices on the forum regarding Will Jordans credentials.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
Should have played a part in World Cup final.
Massive mistake to include Christie.
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If Beauden Barrett tears his hamstring next week, who would the fern like to see at fullback in the interim?
And who do they think Razor will choose?
Seems to be a lot of dissenting voices on the forum regarding Will Jordans credentials.
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If Beauden Barrett tears his hamstring next week, who would the fern like to see at fullback in the interim?
And who do they think Razor will choose?
Seems to be a lot of dissenting voices on the forum regarding Will Jordans credentials.
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@Jet I'd feel more comfortable with him at fullback than Jordan and the whole point of him being there is for his utility "value".
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet I'd feel more comfortable with him at fullback than Jordan and the whole point of him being there is for his utility "value".
Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet I'd feel more comfortable with him at fullback than Jordan and the whole point of him being there is for his utility "value".
Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?
do you think scoring a try makes him a good fullback?
I just don't think it's relevant. George Bridge scored the most tries in Super one year and his highlights reel was running in with no defenders in sight. It's a terrible metric, but one that lazy journalists and northern hemisphere have always leaned into. Now creating tries is different ... Will Jordan got plaudits last week, but the pass from TJP was insanely good - incredibly hard to defend and put his man in space. THat was the magic.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet I'd feel more comfortable with him at fullback than Jordan and the whole point of him being there is for his utility "value".
Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?
do you think scoring a try makes him a good fullback?
I just don't think it's relevant. George Bridge scored the most tries in Super one year and his highlights reel was running in with no defenders in sight. It's a terrible metric, but one that lazy journalists and northern hemisphere have always leaned into. Now creating tries is different ... Will Jordan got plaudits last week, but the pass from TJP was insanely good - incredibly hard to defend and put his man in space. THat was the magic.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet I'd feel more comfortable with him at fullback than Jordan and the whole point of him being there is for his utility "value".
Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?
do you think scoring a try makes him a good fullback?
I just don't think it's relevant. George Bridge scored the most tries in Super one year and his highlights reel was running in with no defenders in sight. It's a terrible metric, but one that lazy journalists and northern hemisphere have always leaned into. Now creating tries is different ... Will Jordan got plaudits last week, but the pass from TJP was insanely good - incredibly hard to defend and put his man in space. THat was the magic.
Read my earlier post, literally 2 fucking posts above yours. Im saying Havili shouldn't even be in the squad.
I merely asked the question whether Havili scored a try on debut in SA from fullback.
I was just asking a question to pass the time on a quiet Thursday.
Why does everyone treat every post like a fucking thesis.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet I'd feel more comfortable with him at fullback than Jordan and the whole point of him being there is for his utility "value".
Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?
do you think scoring a try makes him a good fullback?
I just don't think it's relevant. George Bridge scored the most tries in Super one year and his highlights reel was running in with no defenders in sight. It's a terrible metric, but one that lazy journalists and northern hemisphere have always leaned into. Now creating tries is different ... Will Jordan got plaudits last week, but the pass from TJP was insanely good - incredibly hard to defend and put his man in space. THat was the magic.
Read my earlier post, literally 2 fucking posts above yours. Im saying Havili shouldn't even be in the squad.
I merely asked the question whether Havili scored a try on debut in SA from fullback.
I was just asking a question to pass the time on a quiet Thursday.
Why does everyone treat every post like a fucking thesis.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet I'd feel more comfortable with him at fullback than Jordan and the whole point of him being there is for his utility "value".
Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?
do you think scoring a try makes him a good fullback?
I just don't think it's relevant. George Bridge scored the most tries in Super one year and his highlights reel was running in with no defenders in sight. It's a terrible metric, but one that lazy journalists and northern hemisphere have always leaned into. Now creating tries is different ... Will Jordan got plaudits last week, but the pass from TJP was insanely good - incredibly hard to defend and put his man in space. THat was the magic.
Read my earlier post, literally 2 fucking posts above yours. Im saying Havili shouldn't even be in the squad.
I merely asked the question whether Havili scored a try on debut in SA from fullback.
I was just asking a question to pass the time on a quiet Thursday.
Why does everyone treat every post like a fucking thesis.
It was against Argentina and he was playing 12. So I was completely wrong.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet I'd feel more comfortable with him at fullback than Jordan and the whole point of him being there is for his utility "value".
Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?
do you think scoring a try makes him a good fullback?
I just don't think it's relevant. George Bridge scored the most tries in Super one year and his highlights reel was running in with no defenders in sight. It's a terrible metric, but one that lazy journalists and northern hemisphere have always leaned into. Now creating tries is different ... Will Jordan got plaudits last week, but the pass from TJP was insanely good - incredibly hard to defend and put his man in space. THat was the magic.
Read my earlier post, literally 2 fucking posts above yours. Im saying Havili shouldn't even be in the squad.
I merely asked the question whether Havili scored a try on debut in SA from fullback.
I was just asking a question to pass the time on a quiet Thursday.
Why does everyone treat every post like a fucking thesis.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Read my earlier post, literally 2 fucking posts above yours. Im saying Havili shouldn't even be in the squad.
I merely asked the question whether Havili scored a try on debut in SA from fullback.
I agree with the first part.
That's why I was confused about your question 'Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?'. It's often a precursor to 'hurr durr try score = awesome pick 'em'.
/shrugs.
My stance on DH has been set out here. I thought he was great at 12 against lower tier teams, but went missing against good sides. His performances were a key reason for people (including me) thinking JB woudl be a better, more physical 12. JB has shown it at times, but struggled to physically impose himself at times ... which for a bloke with his frame is kind of weird.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Read my earlier post, literally 2 fucking posts above yours. Im saying Havili shouldn't even be in the squad.
I merely asked the question whether Havili scored a try on debut in SA from fullback.
I agree with the first part.
That's why I was confused about your question 'Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?'. It's often a precursor to 'hurr durr try score = awesome pick 'em'.
/shrugs.
My stance on DH has been set out here. I thought he was great at 12 against lower tier teams, but went missing against good sides. His performances were a key reason for people (including me) thinking JB woudl be a better, more physical 12. JB has shown it at times, but struggled to physically impose himself at times ... which for a bloke with his frame is kind of weird.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Read my earlier post, literally 2 fucking posts above yours. Im saying Havili shouldn't even be in the squad.
I merely asked the question whether Havili scored a try on debut in SA from fullback.
I agree with the first part.
That's why I was confused about your question 'Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?'. It's often a precursor to 'hurr durr try score = awesome pick 'em'.
/shrugs.
My stance on DH has been set out here. I thought he was great at 12 against lower tier teams, but went missing against good sides. His performances were a key reason for people (including me) thinking JB woudl be a better, more physical 12. JB has shown it at times, but struggled to physically impose himself at times ... which for a bloke with his frame is kind of weird.
Agree with all of that.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Read my earlier post, literally 2 fucking posts above yours. Im saying Havili shouldn't even be in the squad.
I merely asked the question whether Havili scored a try on debut in SA from fullback.
I agree with the first part.
That's why I was confused about your question 'Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?'. It's often a precursor to 'hurr durr try score = awesome pick 'em'.
/shrugs.
My stance on DH has been set out here. I thought he was great at 12 against lower tier teams, but went missing against good sides. His performances were a key reason for people (including me) thinking JB woudl be a better, more physical 12. JB has shown it at times, but struggled to physically impose himself at times ... which for a bloke with his frame is kind of weird.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Read my earlier post, literally 2 fucking posts above yours. Im saying Havili shouldn't even be in the squad.
I merely asked the question whether Havili scored a try on debut in SA from fullback.
I agree with the first part.
That's why I was confused about your question 'Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?'. It's often a precursor to 'hurr durr try score = awesome pick 'em'.
/shrugs.
My stance on DH has been set out here. I thought he was great at 12 against lower tier teams, but went missing against good sides. His performances were a key reason for people (including me) thinking JB woudl be a better, more physical 12. JB has shown it at times, but struggled to physically impose himself at times ... which for a bloke with his frame is kind of weird.
The irony is that while David Havili didn't score a try against the Boks, he did set up the winning try with a brilliant fend, some great footwork and a nice flick pass... All the stuff that IS important.
Easy to forget that Havili was one of the form outside backs in NZ for a few years before he was effectively forced to move to the midfield. If he was in the same sort of form now as then and playing his rugby at 15, he'd be a great option at the back.
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I'm not a massive Havili fan, and would probably lean towards the position of there being better squad options than him at the moment.
That said, it's hard to argue against his recent usage in the AB's being anything other than totally negligent from the coaches. If you're going to pick the guy, at least have some semblance of a game plan that utilises his skillset - watching them have him cart the ball straight into first phase traffic at 12 was just painful to watch and I really felt for the guy that they kept asking him to do it.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Read my earlier post, literally 2 fucking posts above yours. Im saying Havili shouldn't even be in the squad.
I merely asked the question whether Havili scored a try on debut in SA from fullback.
I agree with the first part.
That's why I was confused about your question 'Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?'. It's often a precursor to 'hurr durr try score = awesome pick 'em'.
/shrugs.
My stance on DH has been set out here. I thought he was great at 12 against lower tier teams, but went missing against good sides. His performances were a key reason for people (including me) thinking JB woudl be a better, more physical 12. JB has shown it at times, but struggled to physically impose himself at times ... which for a bloke with his frame is kind of weird.
The irony is that while David Havili didn't score a try against the Boks, he did set up the winning try with a brilliant fend, some great footwork and a nice flick pass... All the stuff that IS important.
Easy to forget that Havili was one of the form outside backs in NZ for a few years before he was effectively forced to move to the midfield. If he was in the same sort of form now as then and playing his rugby at 15, he'd be a great option at the back.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Read my earlier post, literally 2 fucking posts above yours. Im saying Havili shouldn't even be in the squad.
I merely asked the question whether Havili scored a try on debut in SA from fullback.
I agree with the first part.
That's why I was confused about your question 'Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?'. It's often a precursor to 'hurr durr try score = awesome pick 'em'.
/shrugs.
My stance on DH has been set out here. I thought he was great at 12 against lower tier teams, but went missing against good sides. His performances were a key reason for people (including me) thinking JB woudl be a better, more physical 12. JB has shown it at times, but struggled to physically impose himself at times ... which for a bloke with his frame is kind of weird.
The irony is that while David Havili didn't score a try against the Boks, he did set up the winning try with a brilliant fend, some great footwork and a nice flick pass... All the stuff that IS important.
Easy to forget that Havili was one of the form outside backs in NZ for a few years before he was effectively forced to move to the midfield. If he was in the same sort of form now as then and playing his rugby at 15, he'd be a great option at the back.
And he did come back from a very serious illness so fair play to him on that count.
Always liked him as a player, but he is another one of our recent backs who is a yard too slow and/or not quite physical enough.
Your ALB's, your George Bridges, your Havilis of the world.
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I'm not a massive Havili fan, and would probably lean towards the position of there being better squad options than him at the moment.
That said, it's hard to argue against his recent usage in the AB's being anything other than totally negligent from the coaches. If you're going to pick the guy, at least have some semblance of a game plan that utilises his skillset - watching them have him cart the ball straight into first phase traffic at 12 was just painful to watch and I really felt for the guy that they kept asking him to do it.
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024:
I'm not a massive Havili fan, and would probably lean towards the position of there being better squad options than him at the moment.
That said, it's hard to argue against his recent usage in the AB's being anything other than totally negligent from the coaches. If you're going to pick the guy, at least have some semblance of a game plan that utilises his skillset - watching them have him cart the ball straight into first phase traffic at 12 was just painful to watch and I really felt for the guy that they kept asking him to do it.
I was in Dublin watching him against Ireland a few years back and it was tragic to watch. They ate him without salt.
