All Blacks 2024
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
The ABs atm and their selections are doing my head in. It's a large case of try the same shit with the same players and expect different results. I agree with @darylmitchell, we need to stop giving players that have had plenty of chances to prove themselves time in the Black jersey. ALB and Ioane aren't cutting it for me in the centres, we need to give Proctor a run there.
I suppose you enjoy the ABs losing then?
Yeah, in my deluded state I keep thinking the reason we're not winning is some unproven bloke called Proctor who can unlock every defence, win every lineout, scrum, ruck and maul.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
The ABs atm and their selections are doing my head in. It's a large case of try the same shit with the same players and expect different results. I agree with @darylmitchell, we need to stop giving players that have had plenty of chances to prove themselves time in the Black jersey. ALB and Ioane aren't cutting it for me in the centres, we need to give Proctor a run there.
I suppose you enjoy the ABs losing then?
Yeah, in my deluded state I keep thinking the reason we're not winning is some unproven bloke called Proctor who can unlock every defence, win every lineout, scrum, ruck and maul.
We aren't trying some of these young guys out. Shoving them on with 15 mins to go is bollocks.
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Young props and locks have done well.
RI has had years to cement the centre spot.
At least give others a chance.
It's beyond me why Ratima hasn't started again -
@canefan My biggest criticism of Razor's coaching of the ABs at this early stage has been his selection, firstly choosing Rangi as Assistant Coach when they clearly didn't agree on the game plan, then leaving out of his squad completely the form NZ Number 8.
His strengths seem to be his man management skills, his energy and his confidence.
A long way to go, but I'd give him 6 out of 10 so far.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan My biggest criticism of Razor's coaching of the ABs at this early stage has been his selection, firstly choosing Rangi as Assistant Coach when they clearly didn't agree on the game plan, then leaving out of his squad completely the form NZ Number 8.
His strengths seem to be his man management skills, his energy and his confidence.
A long way to go, but I'd give him 6 out of 10 so far.
Definitely a vibes guy.
Hard to visualise him giving a spray.
Can picture a lot of "im not angry, just disappointed" type rhetoric.
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Young props and locks have done well.
RI has had years to cement the centre spot.
At least give others a chance.
It's beyond me why Ratima hasn't started again@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
Young props and locks have done well.
RI has had years to cement the centre spot.
At least give others a chance.
It's beyond me why Ratima hasn't started againWatching the breakdown, they showed Grant Williams influence when he came on and I think Roigard and Ratima can do the same for us. Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
Sniping in and around the ruck and taking a few steps before passing. It focuses the mind of their backrow.
With TJP they can just drift off him and disregard him as a runner.
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Williams is another case in point.
He's started against SA
Well done fulla -
Vaai is becoming an automatic pick
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@Boston-Boy said in All Blacks 2024:
@kiwiinmelb he’s 28 and apparently the Storm want to move on his contract. I would definitely back him for 4 more years. A lot to gain, the Bomb squad would struggle to control him. He would provide a power upgrade the ABs would not have seen for years. Then there’s Ponga who would revolutionise the backline & both have had dreams of playing for the ABs.
Ponga, a poor man’s Benji Marshall.
@ACT-Crusader ok, Ponga was a rugby prodigy and I believe still is one of the most gifted players in either code. He has a very complete game, much more rounded than Benji. But it’s something we may never see not worth the argument.
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@Boston-Boy said in All Blacks 2024:
@kiwiinmelb he’s 28 and apparently the Storm want to move on his contract. I would definitely back him for 4 more years. A lot to gain, the Bomb squad would struggle to control him. He would provide a power upgrade the ABs would not have seen for years. Then there’s Ponga who would revolutionise the backline & both have had dreams of playing for the ABs.
Yeah, nah.
I know this is just a random/not possible scenario and a little bit of fun but I’d say he would have little to no chance. By the time he’s changed his body, learned the game etc(it’s changed a lot since he last played) , he would also be 30/31, rather see a young guy coming through that we have a good 5-8 years with.
@Landers92 fair enough, it looks like Brad thorn was 26 when he switched. 2 years younger.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan My biggest criticism of Razor's coaching of the ABs at this early stage has been his selection, firstly choosing Rangi as Assistant Coach when they clearly didn't agree on the game plan, then leaving out of his squad completely the form NZ Number 8.
His strengths seem to be his man management skills, his energy and his confidence.
A long way to go, but I'd give him 6 out of 10 so far.
Definitely a vibes guy.
Hard to visualise him giving a spray.
Can picture a lot of "im not angry, just disappointed" type rhetoric.
@Jet I do like Robertson. I get the feeling his passion for stats and defensive stats at that has him thinking crusader ball will cut it. You need some of those big explosive players who give you a point of difference and some power. I sure hope he gives Sotutu a go on the end of year tour and a more confrontational power forward. Aucklands game plan seemed to provide a good platform for international test matches.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
Young props and locks have done well.
RI has had years to cement the centre spot.
At least give others a chance.
It's beyond me why Ratima hasn't started againWatching the breakdown, they showed Grant Williams influence when he came on and I think Roigard and Ratima can do the same for us. Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
Sniping in and around the ruck and taking a few steps before passing. It focuses the mind of their backrow.
With TJP they can just drift off him and disregard him as a runner.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
For a bloke who's played 3 Tests, started 1, and scored a solo try in the dying moments against a Bokke team physically knackered from giving the AB's an absolute thumping in essentially a exhibition match, Roigard sure seems to have morphed into an absolute AB legend capable of singe-handedly turning around the AB's fortunes.........
Terrific potential though.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
For a bloke who's played 3 Tests, started 1, and scored a solo try in the dying moments against a Bokke team physically knackered from giving the AB's an absolute thumping in essentially a exhibition match, Roigard sure seems to have morphed into an absolute AB legend capable of singe-handedly turning around the AB's fortunes.........
Terrific potential though.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
For a bloke who's played 3 Tests, started 1, and scored a solo try in the dying moments against a Bokke team physically knackered from giving the AB's an absolute thumping in essentially a exhibition match, Roigard sure seems to have morphed into an absolute AB legend capable of singe-handedly turning around the AB's fortunes.........
Terrific potential though.
Ive seen enough already. 4 tries at the world cup, the 60 meter job against SA and was playing super rugby like it was in slow motion until his injury. Massive left boot too.
Generational talent.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
For a bloke who's played 3 Tests, started 1, and scored a solo try in the dying moments against a Bokke team physically knackered from giving the AB's an absolute thumping in essentially a exhibition match, Roigard sure seems to have morphed into an absolute AB legend capable of singe-handedly turning around the AB's fortunes.........
Terrific potential though.
Ive seen enough already. 4 tries at the world cup, the 60 meter job against SA and was playing super rugby like it was in slow motion until his injury. Massive left boot too.
Generational talent.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
For a bloke who's played 3 Tests, started 1, and scored a solo try in the dying moments against a Bokke team physically knackered from giving the AB's an absolute thumping in essentially a exhibition match, Roigard sure seems to have morphed into an absolute AB legend capable of singe-handedly turning around the AB's fortunes.........
Terrific potential though.
Ive seen enough already. 4 tries at the world cup, the 60 meter job against SA and was playing super rugby like it was in slow motion until his injury. Massive left boot too.
Generational talent.
It’s weird that @Canes4life hasn’t talked him up more than he has
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
For a bloke who's played 3 Tests, started 1, and scored a solo try in the dying moments against a Bokke team physically knackered from giving the AB's an absolute thumping in essentially a exhibition match, Roigard sure seems to have morphed into an absolute AB legend capable of singe-handedly turning around the AB's fortunes.........
Terrific potential though.
Ive seen enough already. 4 tries at the world cup, the 60 meter job against SA and was playing super rugby like it was in slow motion until his injury. Massive left boot too.
Generational talent.
It’s weird that @Canes4life hasn’t talked him up more than he has
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
For a bloke who's played 3 Tests, started 1, and scored a solo try in the dying moments against a Bokke team physically knackered from giving the AB's an absolute thumping in essentially a exhibition match, Roigard sure seems to have morphed into an absolute AB legend capable of singe-handedly turning around the AB's fortunes.........
Terrific potential though.
Ive seen enough already. 4 tries at the world cup, the 60 meter job against SA and was playing super rugby like it was in slow motion until his injury. Massive left boot too.
Generational talent.
It’s weird that @Canes4life hasn’t talked him up more than he has
I don't need to, his exceptional talent is obvious to see. Can't wait to see him back in the Black / Black and Yellow jerseys.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
For a bloke who's played 3 Tests, started 1, and scored a solo try in the dying moments against a Bokke team physically knackered from giving the AB's an absolute thumping in essentially a exhibition match, Roigard sure seems to have morphed into an absolute AB legend capable of singe-handedly turning around the AB's fortunes.........
Terrific potential though.
Ive seen enough already. 4 tries at the world cup, the 60 meter job against SA and was playing super rugby like it was in slow motion until his injury. Massive left boot too.
Generational talent.
It’s weird that @Canes4life hasn’t talked him up more than he has
I don't need to, his exceptional talent is obvious to see. Can't wait to see him back in the Black / Black and Yellow jerseys.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
For a bloke who's played 3 Tests, started 1, and scored a solo try in the dying moments against a Bokke team physically knackered from giving the AB's an absolute thumping in essentially a exhibition match, Roigard sure seems to have morphed into an absolute AB legend capable of singe-handedly turning around the AB's fortunes.........
Terrific potential though.
Ive seen enough already. 4 tries at the world cup, the 60 meter job against SA and was playing super rugby like it was in slow motion until his injury. Massive left boot too.
Generational talent.
It’s weird that @Canes4life hasn’t talked him up more than he has
I don't need to, his exceptional talent is obvious to see. Can't wait to see him back in the Black / Black and Yellow jerseys.
There he is !!!!!
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2024/2025 AB backline
Roigard - An other - An other- JB - Proctor - An other - Love -
2024/2025 AB backline
Roigard - An other - An other- JB - Proctor - An other - Love@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
2024/2025 AB backline
Roigard - An other - An other- JB - Proctor - An other - LoveWe all know if we want to win World Cups we have to have at least 4 Hurricanes in the backline. :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
2011 - 9. Weepu 12. Nonu 13. Smith 14. Jane
2015 - 11. Savea 12. Nonu 13. Smith 14. Milner-Skudder
2027 - 9. Roigard 12. Barrett 13. Proctor 15. Love -
There he is !!!
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024:
A couple of points which seems to be an overall trend of the AB's rather than game specific comments.
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Our attack is ok, we're scoring more than enough points to win games, I'm getting increasingly annoyed at the commentary that "We had chances to put away the game (i.e. score more points), but didn't take them". We shipped 38 against the Argies, and 31 against SA. If the thought is that if we just simply score 50 points a game and we will win, well goodness me - that's not smart or realistic thinking in the slightest. Which leads us into...
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Our defence and disclipline has cost us badly, our poor disclipline has lead to us playing a lot of the game in the crunch moments in our own half. Our goal-line defence off the pick and go close to the line in particular has been awful, what makes this worse is that bashing the ball in close to the line is a low risk attacking method. We aren't asking teams to take chances or use high-risk plays to score points because they can bash through us playing low risk rugby This has to be fixed immediately or we will continue to lose games.
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Our bench as a whole, quite simply has been dreadful. The quibble isn't even the fact that they're coming on and having no impact but the fact that they're making things CONSIDERABLY WORSE when they get onto the field. It's very odd because if you look at the players they are all "impact" players.
Whether it's because they can't fit into the systems (player issue), or know the systems so they can fit in (coaching issue) or simpy dion't have the skills or temprement to fit into the game plan and execute (player and coaching issue) I really don't know. What I do know however is that when it comes to the use of the bench we are being outsmarted tatcially and executionally and ultimately that falls on the coachs.
So it's defence and the last 20 minutes of the game that are costing us dearly and we won't start a winning trend until we fix these.
Sounds like Wales
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024:
A couple of points which seems to be an overall trend of the AB's rather than game specific comments.
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Our attack is ok, we're scoring more than enough points to win games, I'm getting increasingly annoyed at the commentary that "We had chances to put away the game (i.e. score more points), but didn't take them". We shipped 38 against the Argies, and 31 against SA. If the thought is that if we just simply score 50 points a game and we will win, well goodness me - that's not smart or realistic thinking in the slightest. Which leads us into...
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Our defence and disclipline has cost us badly, our poor disclipline has lead to us playing a lot of the game in the crunch moments in our own half. Our goal-line defence off the pick and go close to the line in particular has been awful, what makes this worse is that bashing the ball in close to the line is a low risk attacking method. We aren't asking teams to take chances or use high-risk plays to score points because they can bash through us playing low risk rugby This has to be fixed immediately or we will continue to lose games.
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Our bench as a whole, quite simply has been dreadful. The quibble isn't even the fact that they're coming on and having no impact but the fact that they're making things CONSIDERABLY WORSE when they get onto the field. It's very odd because if you look at the players they are all "impact" players.
Whether it's because they can't fit into the systems (player issue), or know the systems so they can fit in (coaching issue) or simpy dion't have the skills or temprement to fit into the game plan and execute (player and coaching issue) I really don't know. What I do know however is that when it comes to the use of the bench we are being outsmarted tatcially and executionally and ultimately that falls on the coachs.
So it's defence and the last 20 minutes of the game that are costing us dearly and we won't start a winning trend until we fix these.
Sounds like Wales
Ooh, that cuts deep.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
For a bloke who's played 3 Tests, started 1, and scored a solo try in the dying moments against a Bokke team physically knackered from giving the AB's an absolute thumping in essentially a exhibition match, Roigard sure seems to have morphed into an absolute AB legend capable of singe-handedly turning around the AB's fortunes.........
Terrific potential though.
Ive seen enough already. 4 tries at the world cup, the 60 meter job against SA and was playing super rugby like it was in slow motion until his injury. Massive left boot too.
Generational talent.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
For a bloke who's played 3 Tests, started 1, and scored a solo try in the dying moments against a Bokke team physically knackered from giving the AB's an absolute thumping in essentially a exhibition match, Roigard sure seems to have morphed into an absolute AB legend capable of singe-handedly turning around the AB's fortunes.........
Terrific potential though.
Ive seen enough already. 4 tries at the world cup, the 60 meter job against SA and was playing super rugby like it was in slow motion until his injury. Massive left boot too.
Generational talent.
Christ that’s more foresight than Nostradamus
