All Blacks 2024
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@Victor-Meldrew that's one helluva revelation, maybe that's for the hot takes thread?
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
The passes from the tight forward are 50/50 often going either behind the player losing momentum or not to the player at all.
Sure some come off but half of them put us on the back foot
Three posts ago you were arguing that they should know how to pass by now?
That comment I meant for the backs. That's still a problem for them too when it shouldn't be. Tight forwards shouldn't be expected to assist in backline moves
Apart from off set piece, is there such a thing now? And, my comment stands for rugby players, it's not positional.
I also can't see how we'll have effective phase play if we don't have forwards who can effectively handle the ball, that's exactly where the NH has caught up.
Yup forwards should mostly do moves with forwards.
The Crusaders used the same pattern the ABs used extensively this year and had the same issues. The Blues rarely used the 'out the back door' pattern. The proof is in the pudding.
Moving goalposts here.
Even the Blues Attack structure has forwards participating in phase play.
So, is your point that you don't like our pod system with down runners and the guy on the wrap?
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
The passes from the tight forward are 50/50 often going either behind the player losing momentum or not to the player at all.
Sure some come off but half of them put us on the back foot
Three posts ago you were arguing that they should know how to pass by now?
That comment I meant for the backs. That's still a problem for them too when it shouldn't be. Tight forwards shouldn't be expected to assist in backline moves
Apart from off set piece, is there such a thing now? And, my comment stands for rugby players, it's not positional.
I also can't see how we'll have effective phase play if we don't have forwards who can effectively handle the ball, that's exactly where the NH has caught up.
Yup forwards should mostly do moves with forwards.
The Crusaders used the same pattern the ABs used extensively this year and had the same issues. The Blues rarely used the 'out the back door' pattern. The proof is in the pudding.
Moving goalposts here.
Even the Blues Attack structure has forwards participating in phase play.
So, is your point that you don't like our pod system with down runners and the guy on the wrap?
I've said that many times about the 'out the back door' play.
The Blues forwards are focused in the narrow channels.
None of what I have said contradicts that. Not sure how you think it's moving the goal posts but what ever.
The wrap around tight forwards is a rubbish play when used over and over again. It leads to handling errors and backs not running hard and straight but sideways.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
The passes from the tight forward are 50/50 often going either behind the player losing momentum or not to the player at all.
Sure some come off but half of them put us on the back foot
Three posts ago you were arguing that they should know how to pass by now?
That comment I meant for the backs. That's still a problem for them too when it shouldn't be. Tight forwards shouldn't be expected to assist in backline moves
Apart from off set piece, is there such a thing now? And, my comment stands for rugby players, it's not positional.
I also can't see how we'll have effective phase play if we don't have forwards who can effectively handle the ball, that's exactly where the NH has caught up.
Yup forwards should mostly do moves with forwards.
The Crusaders used the same pattern the ABs used extensively this year and had the same issues. The Blues rarely used the 'out the back door' pattern. The proof is in the pudding.
Moving goalposts here.
Even the Blues Attack structure has forwards participating in phase play.
So, is your point that you don't like our pod system with down runners and the guy on the wrap?
I've said that many times about the 'out the back door' play.
The Blues forwards are focused in the narrow channels.
None of what I have said contradicts that. Not sure how you think it's moving the goal posts but what ever.
The wrap around tight forwards is a rubbish play when used over and over again. It leads to handling errors and backs not running hard and straight but sideways.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
The passes from the tight forward are 50/50 often going either behind the player losing momentum or not to the player at all.
Sure some come off but half of them put us on the back foot
Three posts ago you were arguing that they should know how to pass by now?
That comment I meant for the backs. That's still a problem for them too when it shouldn't be. Tight forwards shouldn't be expected to assist in backline moves
Apart from off set piece, is there such a thing now? And, my comment stands for rugby players, it's not positional.
I also can't see how we'll have effective phase play if we don't have forwards who can effectively handle the ball, that's exactly where the NH has caught up.
Yup forwards should mostly do moves with forwards.
The Crusaders used the same pattern the ABs used extensively this year and had the same issues. The Blues rarely used the 'out the back door' pattern. The proof is in the pudding.
Moving goalposts here.
Even the Blues Attack structure has forwards participating in phase play.
So, is your point that you don't like our pod system with down runners and the guy on the wrap?
I've said that many times about the 'out the back door' play.
The Blues forwards are focused in the narrow channels.
None of what I have said contradicts that. Not sure how you think it's moving the goal posts but what ever.
The wrap around tight forwards is a rubbish play when used over and over again. It leads to handling errors and backs not running hard and straight but sideways.
You have to go up the guts to earn the space to go wide. That's been a key principle in rugby since ages!
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Saw this online and thought it was interesting. All relative of course but worth a share so typed it out below. Hope it’s easy enough to comprehend. One thing we can all agree on for 2024 is that there is plenty of room for improvement.
ALL BLACKS HEAD COACHES - 1ST 14 TESTS IN CHARGE
SCOTT ROBERTSON - Played 14, Won 10, Lost 4, Win percent 71%, Vs top 5 sides 2/6
IAN FOSTER - Played 14, Won 11, Draw 1, Lost 2, Win Percent 78%, Vs Top 5 Sides 3/3
SIR STEVE HANSEN - Played 14, Won 12, Draw 1, Lost 1, Win percent 85%, Vs Top Sides 4/6
SIR GRAHAM HENRY - Played 14, Won 12, Lost 2, Win percent 85%, Vs Top 5 sides 5/7
JOHN MITCHELL - Played 14, Won 11, Drew 1, Lost 2, Win percent 78%, Vs Top 5 sides 3/6
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Saw this online and thought it was interesting. All relative of course but worth a share so typed it out below. Hope it’s easy enough to comprehend. One thing we can all agree on for 2024 is that there is plenty of room for improvement.
ALL BLACKS HEAD COACHES - 1ST 14 TESTS IN CHARGE
SCOTT ROBERTSON - Played 14, Won 10, Lost 4, Win percent 71%, Vs top 5 sides 2/6
IAN FOSTER - Played 14, Won 11, Draw 1, Lost 2, Win Percent 78%, Vs Top 5 Sides 3/3
SIR STEVE HANSEN - Played 14, Won 12, Draw 1, Lost 1, Win percent 85%, Vs Top Sides 4/6
SIR GRAHAM HENRY - Played 14, Won 12, Lost 2, Win percent 85%, Vs Top 5 sides 5/7
JOHN MITCHELL - Played 14, Won 11, Drew 1, Lost 2, Win percent 78%, Vs Top 5 sides 3/6
@Landers92 here come the but but brigade...
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I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
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I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
you spelled 'media' wrong
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
The passes from the tight forward are 50/50 often going either behind the player losing momentum or not to the player at all.
Sure some come off but half of them put us on the back foot
Three posts ago you were arguing that they should know how to pass by now?
That comment I meant for the backs. That's still a problem for them too when it shouldn't be. Tight forwards shouldn't be expected to assist in backline moves
Apart from off set piece, is there such a thing now? And, my comment stands for rugby players, it's not positional.
I also can't see how we'll have effective phase play if we don't have forwards who can effectively handle the ball, that's exactly where the NH has caught up.
Yup forwards should mostly do moves with forwards.
The Crusaders used the same pattern the ABs used extensively this year and had the same issues. The Blues rarely used the 'out the back door' pattern. The proof is in the pudding.
Moving goalposts here.
Even the Blues Attack structure has forwards participating in phase play.
So, is your point that you don't like our pod system with down runners and the guy on the wrap?
I've said that many times about the 'out the back door' play.
The Blues forwards are focused in the narrow channels.
None of what I have said contradicts that. Not sure how you think it's moving the goal posts but what ever.
The wrap around tight forwards is a rubbish play when used over and over again. It leads to handling errors and backs not running hard and straight but sideways.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
The passes from the tight forward are 50/50 often going either behind the player losing momentum or not to the player at all.
Sure some come off but half of them put us on the back foot
Three posts ago you were arguing that they should know how to pass by now?
That comment I meant for the backs. That's still a problem for them too when it shouldn't be. Tight forwards shouldn't be expected to assist in backline moves
Apart from off set piece, is there such a thing now? And, my comment stands for rugby players, it's not positional.
I also can't see how we'll have effective phase play if we don't have forwards who can effectively handle the ball, that's exactly where the NH has caught up.
Yup forwards should mostly do moves with forwards.
The Crusaders used the same pattern the ABs used extensively this year and had the same issues. The Blues rarely used the 'out the back door' pattern. The proof is in the pudding.
Moving goalposts here.
Even the Blues Attack structure has forwards participating in phase play.
So, is your point that you don't like our pod system with down runners and the guy on the wrap?
I've said that many times about the 'out the back door' play.
The Blues forwards are focused in the narrow channels.
None of what I have said contradicts that. Not sure how you think it's moving the goal posts but what ever.
The wrap around tight forwards is a rubbish play when used over and over again. It leads to handling errors and backs not running hard and straight but sideways.
I still think it’s a good option to have in the tool belt against rush D. It challenges defenders and good players can look for broken defensive lines. McKenzie in particular.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
The passes from the tight forward are 50/50 often going either behind the player losing momentum or not to the player at all.
Sure some come off but half of them put us on the back foot
i dont agree with this, this is exactly the deception that other team are doing that is giving the outside centres and wings space, draw a defended or two, then out the back to a player in motion and put runners in space
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
The passes from the tight forward are 50/50 often going either behind the player losing momentum or not to the player at all.
Sure some come off but half of them put us on the back foot
i dont agree with this, this is exactly the deception that other team are doing that is giving the outside centres and wings space, draw a defended or two, then out the back to a player in motion and put runners in space
I really like what they are trying to do and the skills being developed. Suits someone like McKenzie who might spot a broken line and take advantage. The other thing they are working on is the inside player passing over the top of the rush D. They give us options and are good innovations.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
The passes from the tight forward are 50/50 often going either behind the player losing momentum or not to the player at all.
Sure some come off but half of them put us on the back foot
i dont agree with this, this is exactly the deception that other team are doing that is giving the outside centres and wings space, draw a defended or two, then out the back to a player in motion and put runners in space
I really like what they are trying to do and the skills being developed. Suits someone like McKenzie who might spot a broken line and take advantage. The other thing they are working on is the inside player passing over the top of the rush D. They give us options and are good innovations.
@kev i generally agree...but what I think we need is a 10 that takes that back door and then hits the 13/wing/15 running into a gap rather than trying to run it himself. just the physics of it, 3 changes in direction rather than the 10 having to turn into a hole, plus the extra uncertainty of "whos he going to get it?"
I think the big looping run of the 10 is what jams up out outside rather than quick hands and straight runs at different angles
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
@African-Monkey said in [All Blacks 2024](/post/1009071
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Which was fair enough as his results were largely shit. If Robertson’s results continue like that we should expect the same response. Hopefully he wouldn’t get reappointed after one decent result as well (yes I know he has 4 years).
Next year is actually much more in our favour for a good year. France are sending a reduced strength squad and we have 3 tests against them, both SA games are in NZ, even the Ireland match is Chicago (yes we have a 100% loss record there but it should be easier than Dublin). No Japan or Fiji matches to pad percentages but realistically I think we should only lose one, at most two, otherwise I will be disappointed.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
Yeah and guys like yourself have called him out on his shortcomings, unlike a lot of his followers who just defend everything he does because it's him.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
One fucking guy prepared to just say what they think. Build a show for the Beaver.
Can we give Wilson, Kirwan etc the boot and re-name the Breakdown, 'the Breakdown with Beave?
Love that response from Beaver.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
Yeah and guys like yourself have called him out on his shortcomings, unlike a lot of his followers who just defend everything he does because it's him.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
Yeah and guys like yourself have called him out on his shortcomings, unlike a lot of his followers who just defend everything he does because it's him.
Who are these people? Happening in other places? I haven't noticed any unconditional defenders on here.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
Yeah and guys like yourself have called him out on his shortcomings, unlike a lot of his followers who just defend everything he does because it's him.
Who are these people? Happening in other places? I haven't noticed any unconditional defenders on here.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
I do find it amusing, highlighted by Parsons and Hall on the ARP, that some commentators mention that the record could have been better but for the close loses, and fail to acknowledge the close wins (Eng x 3, Aust) that could have went the other way. Fine margins.
Glass half full guys
Mind you, everyone's gonna stand up for him when they made him out to be the best thing since sliced bread during the Fozzie reign.
Fozzie just had to breathe and the media and public (especially Cantabs) were out to get him.
Harsh generalisation. I welcomed him, as did a number of others. But he has not lived up to his promise so far, and deserves to be put on notice with a no holds barred end of season performance review
Yeah and guys like yourself have called him out on his shortcomings, unlike a lot of his followers who just defend everything he does because it's him.
Who are these people? Happening in other places? I haven't noticed any unconditional defenders on here.
agreed, they are thin on the ground, most, like me, were excited...and now disappointed or at least weary about the future
