Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s
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I think DMac could be excellent. Stronger territorial kicking game than we have had in a while...
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@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
3 years is a long time in All Black rugby. I don't think he could leave assuming he could walk back into the squad again
Calculated risk... but does anyone really see DMac, Perofeta or B Barrett as the long term ABs 10? I'm doubtful. Only real threat is if one of the youngsters (Kemara & Millar the two who jump out?) stun us all by taking their respective games to new heights.
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
3 years is a long time in All Black rugby. I don't think he could leave assuming he could walk back into the squad again
Calculated risk... but does anyone really see DMac, Perofeta or B Barrett as the long term ABs 10? I'm doubtful. Only real threat is if one of the youngsters (Kemara & Millar the two who jump out?) stun us all by taking their respective games to new heights.
A hell of a lot can change in 3 years.
Cruden debuted NPC in 08, captained NZ 20s in 09 and started a World Cup Final at 10 in 2011.
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@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
3 years is a long time in All Black rugby. I don't think he could leave assuming he could walk back into the squad again
Calculated risk... but does anyone really see DMac, Perofeta or B Barrett as the long term ABs 10? I'm doubtful. Only real threat is if one of the youngsters (Kemara & Millar the two who jump out?) stun us all by taking their respective games to new heights.
A hell of a lot can change in 3 years.
Cruden debuted NPC in 08, captained NZ 20s in 09 and started a World Cup Final at 10 in 2011.
@KiwiMurph said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
3 years is a long time in All Black rugby. I don't think he could leave assuming he could walk back into the squad again
Calculated risk... but does anyone really see DMac, Perofeta or B Barrett as the long term ABs 10? I'm doubtful. Only real threat is if one of the youngsters (Kemara & Millar the two who jump out?) stun us all by taking their respective games to new heights.
A hell of a lot can change in 3 years.
Cruden debuted NPC in 08, captained NZ 20s in 09 and started a World Cup Final at 10 in 2011.
Absolutely, but that is why I say calculated risk.
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@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
3 years is a long time in All Black rugby. I don't think he could leave assuming he could walk back into the squad again
Calculated risk... but does anyone really see DMac, Perofeta or B Barrett as the long term ABs 10? I'm doubtful. Only real threat is if one of the youngsters (Kemara & Millar the two who jump out?) stun us all by taking their respective games to new heights.
IMHO if he comes back and walks into the starters role, we are gonna be in for trouble in the next 3 years
The fact that B Barrett is getting a new contract, to me suggests the other options are not rated in the immediate term by Razor, and I don't really blame him. Outside of DMac & Perofeta, there is very few players in their prime who are even close to All Black standard (And I don't even think those two are really All Black starting 10s...)
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
3 years is a long time in All Black rugby. I don't think he could leave assuming he could walk back into the squad again
Calculated risk... but does anyone really see DMac, Perofeta or B Barrett as the long term ABs 10? I'm doubtful. Only real threat is if one of the youngsters (Kemara & Millar the two who jump out?) stun us all by taking their respective games to new heights.
IMHO if he comes back and walks into the starters role, we are gonna be in for trouble in the next 3 years
The fact that B Barrett is getting a new contract, to me suggests the other options are not rated in the immediate term by Razor, and I don't really blame him. Outside of DMac & Perofeta, there is very few players in their prime who are even close to All Black standard (And I don't even think those two are really All Black starting 10s...)
What fact? Beaudy doesn't have a contact
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@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
3 years is a long time in All Black rugby. I don't think he could leave assuming he could walk back into the squad again
Calculated risk... but does anyone really see DMac, Perofeta or B Barrett as the long term ABs 10? I'm doubtful. Only real threat is if one of the youngsters (Kemara & Millar the two who jump out?) stun us all by taking their respective games to new heights.
IMHO if he comes back and walks into the starters role, we are gonna be in for trouble in the next 3 years
The fact that B Barrett is getting a new contract, to me suggests the other options are not rated in the immediate term by Razor, and I don't really blame him. Outside of DMac & Perofeta, there is very few players in their prime who are even close to All Black standard (And I don't even think those two are really All Black starting 10s...)
What fact? Beaudy doesn't have a contact
@Machpants He is quite clearly getting one, don't nitpick on words, this isn't high school English.
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Back up to Beauden, plenty of possible candidates, maybe Perofeta he's been there B4 , not many others , let's C how super goes first
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@KiwiMurph you should know better.
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@KiwiMurph said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@george33 back up to Beauden? Just attempting to stir the pot during rugby offseason?
I suspect George is not a fan of DMac.
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@KiwiMurph said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@george33 back up to Beauden? Just attempting to stir the pot during rugby offseason?
I suspect George is not a fan of DMac.
@nostrildamus said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@KiwiMurph said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@george33 back up to Beauden? Just attempting to stir the pot during rugby offseason?
I suspect George is not a fan of DMac.
I suspect George is a Troll-Bot with the "Mischief" plugin dialed up to 10.
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@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
Return as what?
He was clearly our best option at 10 this year, but his strengths were his speed and eye for a mismatch in broken play. Those things will not improve over time.
His weaknesses were his tactical and goal kicking, and his game management - these things will also not improve.
I think he’ll return significantly worse as a test rugby player, and I can absolutely see someone stepping up to take his place.
Fern regulars will know that I’ve been critical of DMac over the years - but I think his game has matured (somewhat), and I think he brings things that I haven’t seen in other 10 options just yet. Golden opportunity to make the spot his own, especially if Roigard kicks on - nothing like a quality 9 to make a 10 look good (and yeah, yeah, the fatties do some things sometimes too, I know)
Should be a fun couple of years figuring it all out!
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@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
Return as what?
He was clearly our best option at 10 this year, but his strengths were his speed and eye for a mismatch in broken play. Those things will not improve over time.
His weaknesses were his tactical and goal kicking, and his game management - these things will also not improve.
I think he’ll return significantly worse as a test rugby player, and I can absolutely see someone stepping up to take his place.
Fern regulars will know that I’ve been critical of DMac over the years - but I think his game has matured (somewhat), and I think he brings things that I haven’t seen in other 10 options just yet. Golden opportunity to make the spot his own, especially if Roigard kicks on - nothing like a quality 9 to make a 10 look good (and yeah, yeah, the fatties do some things sometimes too, I know)
Should be a fun couple of years figuring it all out!
@voodoo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
these things will also not improve.
I'm on board with the rest of the post but geez, that's pretty out there.
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@voodoo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
these things will also not improve.
I'm on board with the rest of the post but geez, that's pretty out there.
@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@voodoo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
these things will also not improve.
I'm on board with the rest of the post but geez, that's pretty out there.
You reckon he’ll learn to kick an extra 15m from hand in Japan?
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@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@voodoo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
these things will also not improve.
I'm on board with the rest of the post but geez, that's pretty out there.
You reckon he’ll learn to kick an extra 15m from hand in Japan?
@voodoo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@voodoo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
these things will also not improve.
I'm on board with the rest of the post but geez, that's pretty out there.
You reckon he’ll learn to kick an extra 15m from hand in Japan?
I believe Dmac returned from Japan a more controlled player than when he left, so I guess anything is possible. By contrast, I recall Luke McAlister leaving as the incumbent AB 12 and returning a shadow of himself. So nothing is guaranteed, for BB or RM
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@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@voodoo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
these things will also not improve.
I'm on board with the rest of the post but geez, that's pretty out there.
You reckon he’ll learn to kick an extra 15m from hand in Japan?
@voodoo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@voodoo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
these things will also not improve.
I'm on board with the rest of the post but geez, that's pretty out there.
You reckon he’ll learn to kick an extra 15m from hand in Japan?
I certainly wouldn't rule it out, especially developing his tactical play and "learnings".
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@KiwiMurph said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@george33 back up to Beauden? Just attempting to stir the pot during rugby offseason?
I suspect George is not a fan of DMac.
