Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc
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@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
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@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
Hopeless situation. But I was not a fan of the sunken stadium. Put her under the water line and eventually she will leak
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@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
Good. No need to throw away Eden Park for some half backed waterfront stadium idea
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@DaGrubster Google do sports stadiums pay their way? or anything similar and every article effectively says a resounding no.
There's a massive capital outlay and significant opex. Even stadia that are widely utilised still financially. The other thing is it's all discretionary spend so whatever income they do bring to local hospo etc comes at the expense of someone else - unless the spend is from people travelling from outside the region which in Auckland's case would be unlikely.
You could argue the focalk point of urban regeneration project but does it really need a focal point. It's basically in the CBD. Developers should be able to make coin without a stadium not because of it
Cheers, yeah you are right I suppose and they have to be fully utilised to be able to get a ROI.
I base my comment really on the new spurs stadium (extensive research) my wife is a lawyer and her firm act for spurs.
I was speaking with the partner about how they will make money (this was at a bahmitzvah in north London in the night of Liverpool v Spurs CL final!)
And they gave me that spiel which makes sense.But spurs are doing so much and are based in one of the greatest cities in the world. It’s not feasible for every stadium to have the same $$ opportunities they have.
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Cheers, yeah you are right I suppose and they have to be fully utilised to be able to get a ROI.
I base my comment really on the new spurs stadium (extensive research) my wife is a lawyer and her firm act for spurs.
I was speaking with the partner about how they will make money (this was at a bahmitzvah in north London in the night of Liverpool v Spurs CL final!)
And they gave me that spiel which makes sense.But spurs are doing so much and are based in one of the greatest cities in the world. It’s not feasible for every stadium to have the same $$ opportunities they have.
@DaGrubster said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Cheers, yeah you are right I suppose and they have to be fully utilised to be able to get a ROI.
I base my comment really on the new spurs stadium (extensive research) my wife is a lawyer and her firm act for spurs.
I was speaking with the partner about how they will make money (this was at a bahmitzvah in north London in the night of Liverpool v Spurs CL final!)
And they gave me that spiel which makes sense.But spurs are doing so much and are based in one of the great cities. It’s not feasible for every stadium to have the same $$ opportunities they have.
Wow, I know who to ask for access to tickets next time I go to London during football season!
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@DaGrubster said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Cheers, yeah you are right I suppose and they have to be fully utilised to be able to get a ROI.
I base my comment really on the new spurs stadium (extensive research) my wife is a lawyer and her firm act for spurs.
I was speaking with the partner about how they will make money (this was at a bahmitzvah in north London in the night of Liverpool v Spurs CL final!)
And they gave me that spiel which makes sense.But spurs are doing so much and are based in one of the great cities. It’s not feasible for every stadium to have the same $$ opportunities they have.
Wow, I know who to ask for access to tickets next time I go to London during football season!
She has been a few times. I haven’t had an invite thouhh
. Been to Chelsea via her work a few times. Invited by her clients who are Chelsea fans and wedged up property owners.When they had the AB xv vs baabass game there I sorted about 10 tickets for that game but it was not the same demand as a spurs match!
So, she certainly has her uses
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She has been a few times. I haven’t had an invite thouhh
. Been to Chelsea via her work a few times. Invited by her clients who are Chelsea fans and wedged up property owners.When they had the AB xv vs baabass game there I sorted about 10 tickets for that game but it was not the same demand as a spurs match!
So, she certainly has her uses
@DaGrubster said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
She has been a few times. I haven’t had an invite thouhh
. Been to Chelsea via her work a few times. Invited by her clients who are Chelsea fans and wedged up property owners.When they had the AB xv vs baabass game there I sorted about 10 tickets for that game but it was not the same demand as a spurs match!
So, she certainly has her uses
It's a hard road finding the perfect woman.... I'd never expect freebies, just access!
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@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
Hopeless situation. But I was not a fan of the sunken stadium. Put her under the water line and eventually she will leak
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
Hopeless situation. But I was not a fan of the sunken stadium. Put her under the water line and eventually she will leak
just putting this in here - leakage below sea level is not a problem. Most basements downtown do that. It's not a reason to oppose a sunken
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Fucking big basement though and adds significant cost and risk.
Seascape, which has just topped out this week, had a construction delay of one year while they sorted out basement leak (and other) issues.
As you say not a reason not to build it, but definitely a negative. Along with the land isn't available, the funding similar and they have underestimated the footprint required.
It's really Quay Park or EP, the other two are poor concepts and pie in sky proposals.
Personally I don't see why we need a roof in Auckland. In 60 years of attending events there I've really only suffered three really shitty downpours
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Fucking big basement though and adds significant cost and risk.
Seascape, which has just topped out this week, had a construction delay of one year while they sorted out basement leak (and other) issues.
As you say not a reason not to build it, but definitely a negative. Along with the land isn't available, the funding similar and they have underestimated the footprint required.
It's really Quay Park or EP, the other two are poor concepts and pie in sky proposals.
Personally I don't see why we need a roof in Auckland. In 60 years of attending events there I've really only suffered three really shitty downpours
@dogmeat said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Seascape, which has just topped out this week, had a construction delay of one year while they sorted out basement leak (and other) issues.
Diaphragm walls and a 5 storey basement. But yeah, any shit construction will cause you issues.
You know Britomart is below sea level right? And it gets easier as the shape changes from a trench to a sunken circle.
Agree it adds some cost and risk, but honestly in some ways easier than drilling in the basalt flows beneath Eden Park. That shit is hard and expensive to pile through. Waterfront (aside from old seawalls) is a lot easier.
Edit: changed secant to diaphragm. Totally different; early morning typing.
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There is a history element too. We’ve already lost Carisbrook, Athletic Park and Lancaster Park. Eden Park is the last of the traditional venues
Three decades unbeaten. 38 years since the Wallabies won there. Two RWCs won there etc etc
@Duluth You're not wrong, but also, think 100 years into the future? Eden Park has, and will always be a hodge podge which falls short of being a truly elite venue because of its shape.
If they just build the new rectangular stadium, build a proper cricket ground, and everyone gets a much better viewing experience.
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@Duluth You're not wrong, but also, think 100 years into the future? Eden Park has, and will always be a hodge podge which falls short of being a truly elite venue because of its shape.
If they just build the new rectangular stadium, build a proper cricket ground, and everyone gets a much better viewing experience.
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@DaGrubster said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
She has been a few times. I haven’t had an invite thouhh
. Been to Chelsea via her work a few times. Invited by her clients who are Chelsea fans and wedged up property owners.When they had the AB xv vs baabass game there I sorted about 10 tickets for that game but it was not the same demand as a spurs match!
So, she certainly has her uses
It's a hard road finding the perfect woman.... I'd never expect freebies, just access!
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@DaGrubster said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
She has been a few times. I haven’t had an invite thouhh
. Been to Chelsea via her work a few times. Invited by her clients who are Chelsea fans and wedged up property owners.When they had the AB xv vs baabass game there I sorted about 10 tickets for that game but it was not the same demand as a spurs match!
So, she certainly has her uses
It's a hard road finding the perfect woman.... I'd never expect freebies, just access!
Mrs Wombles company had a box at Stamford Bridge so goes when shes in the UK....i keep telling her they could get one at Plough Lane for much cheaper but apparently im the only one that thinks thats a good idea
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
can you imagine how much they could make developing the eden park site for residential?....hundreds of millions
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The problem with the Eden Park replacement options are that the replacement options have been totally ridiculous.
A stadium on a wharf, a sunken stadium, a stadium on a footprint too small with roads and railways crisscrossing it.
No wonder they've stayed at EP. Which is a perfectly OK (rugby) stadium anyway.
The (huge) sale potential of EP likely wouldn't cover even the groundworks on those ridiculous options. And then 2 of the 3 would come with huge ongoing maintenance overheads.
If someone had recommended something feasible. Like Victoria Park. Then something might have happened.
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I like Eden Park (have some great memories watching games there, including the last AB loss on the ground), but I would be perfectly happy if they built a downtown stadium too. So, I'm not really adding anything to the debate.
But I'd hope the new one would be called Eden Park too.
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If you want fancy municipal baubles. Then you need a local government that has stamp duty.
E.g. An average of a 10k stamp duty on a house sale. For Auckland last year would have diverted about $200million per annum to the council. Away from banks, Real Estate Agents.
Better than an annual rates rise of 20% after you've paid that money to the RE Agents/Vendors and agreed to pay the bank interest on (a multiple of 5 to 6x) it for 20 to 30 years ...
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If you want fancy municipal baubles. Then you need a local government that has stamp duty.
E.g. An average of a 10k stamp duty on a house sale. For Auckland last year would have diverted about $200million per annum to the council. Away from banks, Real Estate Agents.
Better than an annual rates rise of 20% after you've paid that money to the RE Agents/Vendors and agreed to pay the bank interest on (a multiple of 5 to 6x) it for 20 to 30 years ...
