All Blacks XV 2024
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They finally gave him a starting run against the Rebels and the Crusaders finally managed a decent win - only to drop him the following week for Havili. Reihana had a strong game. How can you expect a player to play with confidence when they're giving a lot more starting opportunities to Hohepa and Havili?
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
They finally gave him a starting run against the Rebels and the Crusaders finally managed a decent win - only to drop him the following week for Havili. Reihana had a strong game. How can you expect a player to play with confidence when they're giving a lot more starting opportunities to Hohepa and Havili?
He injured his shoulder which gave them a chance to play Havilli he wasn’t dropoed
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@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
They finally gave him a starting run against the Rebels and the Crusaders finally managed a decent win - only to drop him the following week for Havili. Reihana had a strong game. How can you expect a player to play with confidence when they're giving a lot more starting opportunities to Hohepa and Havili?
He injured his shoulder which gave them a chance to play Havilli he wasn’t dropoed
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
They finally gave him a starting run against the Rebels and the Crusaders finally managed a decent win - only to drop him the following week for Havili. Reihana had a strong game. How can you expect a player to play with confidence when they're giving a lot more starting opportunities to Hohepa and Havili?
He injured his shoulder which gave them a chance to play Havilli he wasn’t dropoed
Why did he get selected and come off the bench in the game after the Rebels if he had an injured shoulder?
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I think Frizell has had a very inconsistent AB's career being both good and poor.
I'd say the same thing about Sam Cane in the 20's. Even this year Sam Cane has been a real mixed bag. It's rare that he puts together a string of performances where he's firing on all cylinders. For example I thought his breakdown work was good against the Wallabies but his defense was poor.
I don't think Cane is close to being an 80 minute player anymore.
In the first two losses we had against Argentina both Cane and Frizell had very poor games.
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This tour will be good for Josh Jacomb, because I think he remains a very raw talent. He has a very good running game, but I do worry that at a higher level his lack of game management may get found out?
Not sure he really controls the game with his boot that well (yet)... Perofeta had to dig him out of a couple of holes in that shield game.
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Based on the squad selected I wouldn't mind seeing the 23 below.
- Xavier Numia (25 / Hurricanes / Wellington)
- Kurt Eklund (32 / Blues / Bay of Plenty)
- George Dyer (24/ Chiefs / Waikato)
- Fabian Holland (21 / Highlanders / Otago)
- Josh Lord (23 / Chiefs / Taranaki)*
- Oliver Haig (22 / Highlanders / Otago)
- Peter Lakai (21/ Hurricanes / Wellington)
- Hoskins Sotutu (26 / Blues / Counties Manukau)*
- Finlay Christie (29 / Blues / Ta$man)*
- Harry Plummer (26 / Blues / Auckland)*
- Kiniviliame Naholo (25 / Hurricanes / Taranaki)
- AJ Lam (26 / Blues / Auckland)
- Quinn Tupaea (25 / Chiefs / Waikato)*
- Emoni Narawa (25 / Chiefs / Bay of Plenty)*
- Shaun Stevenson (27 / Chiefs / North Harbour)*
- Bradley Slater (26 / Chiefs / Taranaki)
- George Bower (32 / Crusaders / Otago)*
- Marcel Renata (30 / Blues / Auckland)
- Isaia Walker-Leawere (27 / Hurricanes / Hawke’s Bay)
- Christian Lio-Willie (26 / Crusaders / Otago)
- Noah Hotham (21 / Crusaders / Ta$man)*
- Josh Jacomb (23 / Chiefs / Taranaki)
- Riley Higgins (22 / Hurricanes / Wellington)
@Canes4life said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Fabian Holland (21 / Highlanders / Otago)
Josh Lord (23 / Chiefs / Taranaki)*
Oliver Haig (22 / Highlanders / Otago)
Peter Lakai (21/ Hurricanes / Wellington)
Hoskins Sotutu (26 / Blues / Counties Manukau)*I'd be very interested in seeing that roll out. Holland is playing well, Lord looks to be coming back into the form before injury. Haig looks like another body that could do well on the blindside - from memory he played lock more in Super Rugby? Then add Lakai and Sotutu and we could see some magic.
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This tour will be good for Josh Jacomb, because I think he remains a very raw talent. He has a very good running game, but I do worry that at a higher level his lack of game management may get found out?
Not sure he really controls the game with his boot that well (yet)... Perofeta had to dig him out of a couple of holes in that shield game.
@frugby said in All Blacks XV 2024:
This tour will be good for Josh Jacomb, because I think he remains a very raw talent. He has a very good running game, but I do worry that at a higher level his lack of game management may get found out?
Not sure he really controls the game with his boot that well (yet).. Perofeta had to dig him out of a couple of holes in that shield game.
Sounds perfect for a modern AB 10...
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When you say 'Tongan thug' it seems a bit racist/bigoted. Why can't you just refer to him as a thug? What difference does it make if he has a Tongan background?
I hope he never plays for the ABs again btw.
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
When you say 'Tongan thug' it seems a bit racist/bigoted. Why can't you just refer to him as a thug? What difference does it make if he has a Tongan background?
I hope he never plays for the ABs again btw.
He's a Tongan national, it's descriptive, nothing more than that. If I was being racist I'd say Polynesian maybe which is closer to the social construct of race.
Maybe I'll change to the Ta$man thug to honour @Chris-B's stirling work as the Ta$man Thug's marketing team.
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So if Sotutu takes the field, that locks him into NZ for 4 years right?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Fabian Holland (21 / Highlanders / Otago)
Josh Lord (23 / Chiefs / Taranaki)*
Oliver Haig (22 / Highlanders / Otago)
Peter Lakai (21/ Hurricanes / Wellington)
Hoskins Sotutu (26 / Blues / Counties Manukau)*I'd be very interested in seeing that roll out. Holland is playing well, Lord looks to be coming back into the form before injury. Haig looks like another body that could do well on the blindside - from memory he played lock more in Super Rugby? Then add Lakai and Sotutu and we could see some magic.
@antipodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Fabian Holland (21 / Highlanders / Otago)
Josh Lord (23 / Chiefs / Taranaki)*
Oliver Haig (22 / Highlanders / Otago)
Peter Lakai (21/ Hurricanes / Wellington)
Hoskins Sotutu (26 / Blues / Counties Manukau)*Haig looks like another body that could do well on the blindside - from memory he played lock more in Super Rugby?
He played predominantly 6. Can squeeze in at lock at a pinch but his position is blindside. 6ft 5, 115kg so he’s built for it. You may have him confused with Hicks who also went between the 2 positions.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris-B people are wildly overstating Frizzel's one single OKish performance in black. "Unfortunately for Akira, Frizzel played a blinder vs South Africa and slammed the door shut." Give me a break, here is the MOTM polls for the match - https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/5493/all-blacks-motm-v-boks-ii?page=1
Frizzel got just 6% of the vote, yet he played such a blinder that he slammed the door shut on the 6 position?! I've read a couple of match summaries and none even mention Frizzel, ST was the stand-out performer for us that day.
It's pretty clear that Ryan coached him for a year, couldn't get the best out of his as Ryan is not a great coach as he can only seem to work with certain personality types, so dropped him for women beater Frizzel. That ended up costing us dearly, especially in the RWC final where he put in one of the worst performances of an AB 6 of all time.
Frizell has been a myth since his selection from the SR bench. Aside from @Chris-B's trolling I'm unsure why anyone rates him, but after that one off game in South Africa there were a whole bunch of Frizell-stans, but then weirdly when he puts in one of the worst loose forward performances ever in a crucial game (hell he was our worst loose forward ion that match and one of the others got red carded 27 minutes in) then one off games no longer count.
I'm in general supportive of Razor, despite not agreeing with a bunch of selections, but if they bring back the Tongan thug I'm joining the anti-Razor brigade.
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris-B people are wildly overstating Frizzel's one single OKish performance in black. "Unfortunately for Akira, Frizzel played a blinder vs South Africa and slammed the door shut." Give me a break, here is the MOTM polls for the match - https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/5493/all-blacks-motm-v-boks-ii?page=1
Frizzel got just 6% of the vote, yet he played such a blinder that he slammed the door shut on the 6 position?! I've read a couple of match summaries and none even mention Frizzel, ST was the stand-out performer for us that day.
It's pretty clear that Ryan coached him for a year, couldn't get the best out of his as Ryan is not a great coach as he can only seem to work with certain personality types, so dropped him for women beater Frizzel. That ended up costing us dearly, especially in the RWC final where he put in one of the worst performances of an AB 6 of all time.
Frizell has been a myth since his selection from the SR bench. Aside from @Chris-B's trolling I'm unsure why anyone rates him, but after that one off game in South Africa there were a whole bunch of Frizell-stans, but then weirdly when he puts in one of the worst loose forward performances ever in a crucial game (hell he was our worst loose forward ion that match and one of the others got red carded 27 minutes in) then one off games no longer count.
I'm in general supportive of Razor, despite not agreeing with a bunch of selections, but if they bring back the Tongan thug I'm joining the anti-Razor brigade.
im not sure how many frizell advocates there were were on here, i often felt like the only before realising he just wasnt going to kick on
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@Nepia said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris-B people are wildly overstating Frizzel's one single OKish performance in black. "Unfortunately for Akira, Frizzel played a blinder vs South Africa and slammed the door shut." Give me a break, here is the MOTM polls for the match - https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/5493/all-blacks-motm-v-boks-ii?page=1
Frizzel got just 6% of the vote, yet he played such a blinder that he slammed the door shut on the 6 position?! I've read a couple of match summaries and none even mention Frizzel, ST was the stand-out performer for us that day.
It's pretty clear that Ryan coached him for a year, couldn't get the best out of his as Ryan is not a great coach as he can only seem to work with certain personality types, so dropped him for women beater Frizzel. That ended up costing us dearly, especially in the RWC final where he put in one of the worst performances of an AB 6 of all time.
Frizell has been a myth since his selection from the SR bench. Aside from @Chris-B's trolling I'm unsure why anyone rates him, but after that one off game in South Africa there were a whole bunch of Frizell-stans, but then weirdly when he puts in one of the worst loose forward performances ever in a crucial game (hell he was our worst loose forward ion that match and one of the others got red carded 27 minutes in) then one off games no longer count.
I'm in general supportive of Razor, despite not agreeing with a bunch of selections, but if they bring back the Tongan thug I'm joining the anti-Razor brigade.
im not sure how many frizell advocates there were were on here, i often felt like the only before realising he just wasnt going to kick on
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris-B people are wildly overstating Frizzel's one single OKish performance in black. "Unfortunately for Akira, Frizzel played a blinder vs South Africa and slammed the door shut." Give me a break, here is the MOTM polls for the match - https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/5493/all-blacks-motm-v-boks-ii?page=1
Frizzel got just 6% of the vote, yet he played such a blinder that he slammed the door shut on the 6 position?! I've read a couple of match summaries and none even mention Frizzel, ST was the stand-out performer for us that day.
It's pretty clear that Ryan coached him for a year, couldn't get the best out of his as Ryan is not a great coach as he can only seem to work with certain personality types, so dropped him for women beater Frizzel. That ended up costing us dearly, especially in the RWC final where he put in one of the worst performances of an AB 6 of all time.
Frizell has been a myth since his selection from the SR bench. Aside from @Chris-B's trolling I'm unsure why anyone rates him, but after that one off game in South Africa there were a whole bunch of Frizell-stans, but then weirdly when he puts in one of the worst loose forward performances ever in a crucial game (hell he was our worst loose forward ion that match and one of the others got red carded 27 minutes in) then one off games no longer count.
I'm in general supportive of Razor, despite not agreeing with a bunch of selections, but if they bring back the Tongan thug I'm joining the anti-Razor brigade.
im not sure how many frizell advocates there were were on here, i often felt like the only before realising he just wasnt going to kick on
I remember parts of the Fern getting a bit stupid over him when he had his one good game. And I may be misinterpreting things but a lot of the new posters this year seem to Tongan- Ta$man Thug fans.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens has undergone neck surgery after sustaining a broken neck on the weekend against Ta$man. Due another surgery later in the week. Hope that it’s not career threatening. Could explain his omission from the AB XV. Feel for the guy.
Probably that scum hit by Shalfoon. He actually smiled that he got away with it. Very poor from the officials. Should have been red.
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens has undergone neck surgery after sustaining a broken neck on the weekend against Ta$man. Due another surgery later in the week. Hope that it’s not career threatening. Could explain his omission from the AB XV. Feel for the guy.
Probably that scum hit by Shalfoon. He actually smiled that he got away with it. Very poor from the officials. Should have been red.
I just watched that, and wish I hadn't. What a fucking fluffybunny move by Shalfoon. It did happen reasonably fast, but he just didn't need to do it to someone in such a vulnerable position. Should be fucking banned, you just shouldn't be able to get away with doing that to someone.
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When you say 'Tongan thug' it seems a bit racist/bigoted. Why can't you just refer to him as a thug? What difference does it make if he has a Tongan background?
I hope he never plays for the ABs again btw.
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
When you say 'Tongan thug' it seems a bit racist/bigoted. Why can't you just refer to him as a thug? What difference does it make if he has a Tongan background?
I hope he never plays for the ABs again btw.
What's racist about using his ethnicity?
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@Chris-B people are wildly overstating Frizzel's one single OKish performance in black. "Unfortunately for Akira, Frizzel played a blinder vs South Africa and slammed the door shut." Give me a break, here is the MOTM polls for the match - https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/5493/all-blacks-motm-v-boks-ii?page=1
Frizzel got just 6% of the vote, yet he played such a blinder that he slammed the door shut on the 6 position?! I've read a couple of match summaries and none even mention Frizzel, ST was the stand-out performer for us that day.
It's pretty clear that Ryan coached him for a year, couldn't get the best out of him as Ryan is not a great coach as he can only seem to work with certain personality types, so dropped him for women beater Frizzel. That ended up costing us dearly, especially in the RWC final where he put in one of the worst performances of an AB 6 of all time.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris-B people are wildly overstating Frizzel's one single OKish performance in black. "Unfortunately for Akira, Frizzel played a blinder vs South Africa and slammed the door shut." Give me a break, here is the MOTM polls for the match - https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/5493/all-blacks-motm-v-boks-ii?page=1
Frizzel got just 6% of the vote, yet he played such a blinder that he slammed the door shut on the 6 position?! I've read a couple of match summaries and none even mention Frizzel, ST was the stand-out performer for us that day.
It's pretty clear that Ryan coached him for a year, couldn't get the best out of him as Ryan is not a great coach as he can only seem to work with certain personality types, so dropped him for women beater Frizzel. That ended up costing us dearly, especially in the RWC final where he put in one of the worst performances of an AB 6 of all time.
Give it a rest.
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Munster v All Blacks XV
Venue: Thomond Park, Limerick
Referee: Takehito Namekawa (JRFU)
Assistant Referees: Matthew Carley (RFU), Anthony Woodthorpe (RFU)
TMO: Damon Murphy (RA)Georgia v All Blacks XV
Venue: GGL Stadium, Montpelier, France
Referee: Jordan Way (RA)
Assistant Referees: Jeremy Rozier (FFR), Aimee Barrett-Theron (SARU)
TMO: Brian MacNeice (IRFU) -
Munster v All Blacks XV
Venue: Thomond Park, Limerick
Referee: Takehito Namekawa (JRFU)
Assistant Referees: Matthew Carley (RFU), Anthony Woodthorpe (RFU)
TMO: Damon Murphy (RA)Georgia v All Blacks XV
Venue: GGL Stadium, Montpelier, France
Referee: Jordan Way (RA)
Assistant Referees: Jeremy Rozier (FFR), Aimee Barrett-Theron (SARU)
TMO: Brian MacNeice (IRFU)@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Munster v All Blacks XV
Venue: Thomond Park, Limerick
Referee: Takehito Namekawa (JRFU)
Assistant Referees: Matthew Carley (RFU), Anthony Woodthorpe (RFU)
TMO: Damon Murphy (RA)Georgia v All Blacks XV
Venue: GGL Stadium, Montpelier, France
Referee: Jordan Way (RA)
Assistant Referees: Jeremy Rozier (FFR), Aimee Barrett-Theron (SARU)
TMO: Brian MacNeice (IRFU)Not a fan of Namekawa (or how they referee in Japan generally).
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Munster v All Blacks XV
Venue: Thomond Park, Limerick
Referee: Takehito Namekawa (JRFU)
Assistant Referees: Matthew Carley (RFU), Anthony Woodthorpe (RFU)
TMO: Damon Murphy (RA)Georgia v All Blacks XV
Venue: GGL Stadium, Montpelier, France
Referee: Jordan Way (RA)
Assistant Referees: Jeremy Rozier (FFR), Aimee Barrett-Theron (SARU)
TMO: Brian MacNeice (IRFU)Not a fan of Namekawa (or how they referee in Japan generally).
@Mr-Fish how do they referee in Japan?
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@Mr-Fish how do they referee in Japan?
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Mr-Fish how do they referee in Japan?
Typically very lenient at the breakdown. Pretty much anything goes.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks XV 2024:
bud there is nearly 70 players heading off on these tours, that's damn near every starting player in Super rugby.
Yes - but, apparently there needed to be articles written about how Razor and Ryan refuse to work with Blues forwards - and Ryan apparently has an obvious feud with Hoskins.
And then this team gets named and there's silence!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks XV 2024:
bud there is nearly 70 players heading off on these tours, that's damn near every starting player in Super rugby.
Yes - but, apparently there needed to be articles written about how Razor and Ryan refuse to work with Blues forwards - and Ryan apparently has an obvious feud with Hoskins.
And then this team gets named and there's silence!
this post hasn't aged well.
