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@MajorRage no argument from me there, after a year and a half of no bullying my son got put in a chokehold by another student till he blacked out. The response from the headmaster was " boys will be boys" , I know of the little shits fathers background ( former test player- not NZ) and he did everything he could to make it go away. i wanted to take it further but my boy was over the whole thing and just wanted to put it behind him. If anyone is interested in knowing who the bullys father is pm me, I've told quite a few people what he got up to before he had to move here and they are quite surprised that someone trying to make out they are a pillar of the local community has done something that belongs on the Justice in NZ 2.0 thread . His son ain't going to learn taking responsibility for his actions from his d
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@MajorRage said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Ok, here we go ...
I applaud stuff nation for doing these articles. And many of the responses above really do justify it. Of course, I don't agree 100% with everything that is said in them, but there certainly are themes which are accurate, elements of them which cut close to the bone and I'm sure there are experiences that most people can relate to.
At some point in life, everybody should sit back and look at things from the opposite point of view to see where they are coming from. In my opinion, that is what is being done here. I'd still argue to this day with my wife that we should bring up our children in NZ, but then I read articles like this, and think the rose tinted glasses may be on.
Bullying at my school was endemic. I'm not big, was quite smart (was!), and didn't think life revolved around surfing and smoking dope. Thus, I was a natural target for many - I don't know how many times I was told I was gonna get a hiding, or get it on the way home. I had days I was scared to go to school. I probably only really got "it" maybe 3 times, but it still happened. And you know what ... I think there was probably at least 100 kids at my school of 7-800 who had it worse. Hell, under the natural pecking order of bullying, I was even the perpetrator at times. Doesn't matter how you look at it, that's just fucked up.
But these stories aren't about me. My story is nothing compared to others. Somebody very close to me had a full mental breakdown at 33 years old. The therapy, social workers etc all traced it back to being bullied at school and upbringing.
So, I suggest, and I fully expect to get ridiculed for this, that perhaps people should just read them and have a think. It's not about your experience. As lets face it, most of you are the rough, tough, big, strong rugby players that are being referenced. I'm not saying that they shoudn't be criticized (getting into a cold bed ... FFS!), but I do think it's a good, worthy series from stuff, which may help open up some peoples eyes.
I cant help but think you have not actually read the article. Because making up shit, smearing vast swathes of the population based on generalisations and spouting male hating propaganda is not justified.....no matter how bitter someone feels about their childhood.
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@Dr-شبكة-خبارية yep, that's the thing, she is painting the picture that this is unique to NZ.
When I lived in the UK I had so many people (Brits) that said to me, why did you move here? Then I came back and so many people here said why did you come back?
If your glass is half empty, fill the fucker up!
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@MajorRage look your point isn't unjustified in general, but in terms of this article, and our response, it's missed the mark. NZ isn't perfect, but then has anyone ever said it was? I was bullied at school, a later developer, i was tiny until i turned about 16, and even then i was just a taller rake. Do i blame NZ for this, or does it cloud my judgement of the country? Does it fuck.
Most of that bullshit she craps on about could be said about any western country in the world, and a lot worse could be said about most of them. Her points had just enough element of truth in them to get some onside (especially the anti-rugby brigade), but there were some fucking loooong bows drawn to flesh out the points. Some of it was just laughably wrong.
Is bullying bad? yes. Do some kids struggle with their upbringing? yes. Is this problem a particular NZ one? Fuck no.
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@booboo said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Anyone know the the angle with the likes of these articles ? Is it a case of the editor going "ok, write something as bitter, spiteful and resentful as you can and watch the clicks come in"......
I'm somewhat surprised TSF has been dragnetted by this article.
Dragnetted? The thread title is describes stuff as shit and the discussion is about the shit they post masquerading as news. We could talk about the trend over the past few months of them putting up headlines that make you think they are in NZ but when you click on them it turns out they are on the other side of the world. I'm guessing people are getting gunshy of clicking on those so they've gone to defcon 5 and got someone to write six miserable articles about NZ, next week they'll have someone rebutting it .
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@mariner4life I got bullied at primary, and was a midget....however I was lucky enough that I was still decent at sport, so the biggest Maori kid at the school decided he liked me, so no one picked on me after that!
TR Jnr was bullied, by a kid 4 years older than him, turned out this kid was special needs and his parents demanded (threatened legal) he go to the normal school despite the school saying they didn't have the resources to give him what he required. It lasted a few weeks, TR Jnr has pretty thick skin and wasn't phased by it.
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@mariner4life said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MajorRage look your point isn't unjustified in general, but in terms of this article, and our response, it's missed the mark. NZ isn't perfect, but then has anyone ever said it was? I was bullied at school, a later developer, i was tiny until i turned about 16, and even then i was just a taller rake. Do i blame NZ for this, or does it cloud my judgement of the country? Does it fuck.
Most of that bullshit she craps on about could be said about any western country in the world, and a lot worse could be said about most of them. Her points had just enough element of truth in them to get some onside (especially the anti-rugby brigade), but there were some fucking loooong bows drawn to flesh out the points. Some of it was just laughably wrong.
Is bullying bad? yes. Do some kids struggle with their upbringing? yes. Is this problem a particular NZ one? Fuck no.
The whole tone of the article seems to be if she'd grown up anywhere else other than the hellhole some refer to as Godzone she would have had such an amazing life. That's what's gotten us here annoyed and ripping the shit out of her.
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@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
The whole tone of the article seems to be if she'd grown up anywhere else other than the hellhole some refer to as Godzone she would have had such an amazing life. That's what's gotten us here annoyed and ripping the shit out of her.
Precisely. Particularly true if you've had the fortune to spend time growing up anywhere else. I'm not writing articles disparaging entire countries.
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Fuck yeah, bullying isn't unique to NZ or small towns. I had some horrid high school years because I was a short bookish surfboard (nature was very bloody tardy, but more than made up for it) but there isn't a single high school in the world where I wouldn't have gotten shit. That is part of the 'joy' of being a teen.
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Mind you, as M4L says there's enough there to generate "debate" and other like minded fuckwits can add fuel to the fire about our "boozy rugby culture" and how we should focus far more on the arts than we do ( which is fucken joke to bring up, but someone will, because there's NZ music month, Festival of the Arts, Comedy fest etc )
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@booboo said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Anyone know the the angle with the likes of these articles ? Is it a case of the editor going "ok, write something as bitter, spiteful and resentful as you can and watch the clicks come in"......
I'm somewhat surprised TSF has been dragnetted by this article.
There's nothing to be outraged about in the sports thread so we've gotta try and find something else...
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@mariner4life said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@booboo sorry, forgot I'm in Cairns, can't buy a goon bag until 4pm, I'll have to leave you hanging for a few hours
Hanging... I see what you did there...
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@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@booboo said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Anyone know the the angle with the likes of these articles ? Is it a case of the editor going "ok, write something as bitter, spiteful and resentful as you can and watch the clicks come in"......
I'm somewhat surprised TSF has been dragnetted by this article.
Dragnetted? The thread title is describes stuff as shit and the discussion is about the shit they post masquerading as news. We could talk about the trend over the past few months of them putting up headlines that make you think they are in NZ but when you click on them it turns out they are on the other side of the world. I'm guessing people are getting gunshy of clicking on those so they've gone to defcon 5 and got someone to write six miserable articles about NZ, next week they'll have someone rebutting it .
Anyway, if you've seen a photo of her would you?My point being it was a pretty blatent trolling exercise. She (and stuff) went fishing and caught TSF.
Haven't seen picture. Didn't read past 3rd para.
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@No-Quarter said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@booboo said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Anyone know the the angle with the likes of these articles ? Is it a case of the editor going "ok, write something as bitter, spiteful and resentful as you can and watch the clicks come in"......
I'm somewhat surprised TSF has been dragnetted by this article.
There's nothing to be outraged about in the sports thread so we've gotta try and find something else...
fucking this! what else have we got to froth about? The warriors are done for the year (in predictable fashion), there's no cricket, the RC is dangerously close to being a 3-continent AB world cup victory parade, so we found this. MR even helped out by taking the opposite view.
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Well, cricket is starting pretty soon and it's gonna be a fucken tough tour for the boys in the sub continent.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback Totally read the article (both of them) and I'm not saying they shouldn't be criticized where appropriate.
Reality of media these days, all media, is that nobody makes a point without going totally over the top. Nobody clicks on a fence sitting headline, nobody cares about a fence sitting position.
I also think if you look at the comments written before and after my little spiel/tantrum there is quite a change in attitude too.
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@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Well, cricket is starting pretty soon and it's gonna be a fucken tough tour for the boys in the sub continent.
we'll get reamed, but gollum will help out by posting Patel's T20 stats from England, someone will counter with the cowardice angle, and then Southee will be shit, and the circle will begin again (although we've been robbed of the real venom by a glorious couple of years we are still on a high from)
@MajorRage i don't think the attitudes changed, more we moved on from straight abuse to trying to have a grown up conversation about it. We can go back to the name calling if you want kiwihater
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Well if we lose this weekend the build up of spite being released is going to be something to behold .
If we win can Nepia or someone else with a pr log in go and tell Winger on their 9/11 thread there's a new climate change post up and so far everyone agrees the earth is warming ?
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@mariner4life You don't think it's changed? I guess you are a dim-witted dumb arse Queenslander these days ...
